Q: What is Alt-Left? I have heard about Alt-Right. A: Just like Alt-Right, Alt-Left was born out the of the mainstream. We awoken very recently. We alt-lefties reject the Cuck tendencies of regressivism, anti-white bigotry, virtue signalling, Identity politics, Communism/Socialism flirtations, Islam apologism, Refugee crime censorship, minority appeasement, majority bashing and the general asinine SJW bullshit of the mainstream left.
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Sup Forums Please introduce like minded people to this sub-reddit and subscribe to /r/AlternateLeft and twitter @Alt-Left
I am also planning on creating a youtube channel and becoming an youtuber (dont worry no monies and muh patreon yet).
My main inspiration is Atheism-is-unstoppable (@TraceyRemix) (youtube.com/channel/UCg6MuFVugHwWCp1YDQDAy1w). A lefty who opened our eyes and minds to the regressive, anti-white bigotry of the mainstream progressive left. Also props to Dave Rubin, ex-TYT member for making Alt-Leftism, somewhat mainstream. Also Youtubers like Sargon of Akkad, Cult of Dusty etc.
All the nigger hating without the pains of logic, fun!
Gavin Hernandez
Leaf don't hijack the thread or else I will cleanse my poo hole with your leaf. Only serious discussions.
Hope Sup Forums stays on topic and hails the rise of the Alt-Left.
Parker Edwards
So it's the leftist counterpart to the fake alt-right invented by milo? Sup Forums doesn't even know what the alt-right is, and I find that hilarious
Josiah Richardson
So what, libertarianism?
Lincoln Gonzalez
IN
Nicholas Hall
So basically the Alt-Right just...left? I mean, I guess trying to make yourself special instead of admitting what you are is something.
Isaac Gonzalez
Rise and use the loo.
Isaiah Flores
I don't even know what the alt right is. I just want a society with no degenerate and selfhating faggots. And no Islam. Fuck Islam.
Eli Sanchez
POO IN LOO SHIT IN PIT
Nathaniel Moore
>alt left The term isn't really needed, OP. The correct term is just "liberalism." True liberalism (not necessarily "classical liberalism" being more akin to libertarian) has been around and in the public sphere for a long time. I think the most profound contemporary writer on the issue was Christopher Hithens. Considering most dumbasses just know him for religion, most tend to not pay attention to his political writing and observations (which was the vast majority of his work).
Hitch was defending liberalism early on and was calling out the "regressive left" before the term was coined. He was calling bullshit on the use of "Islamaphobia" and lopping it in with racial issues far before the regressive left was big.
His falling out with The Nation was a big part too. Hitch witnessed supposed "lefties" losing all their liberal values and backing down and wasn't happy about it.
Who else was as good as Hitch that I ought to look into?
Henry Brooks
POO ------------------>>>>>>> LOO
Easton Thomas
Fuck off, Reedit.
Thomas Gutierrez
There's no need for an alt-left because all the alt-left should be is incapsulated in the old, pre-identity politics left.
All the left needs to do to be taken seriously again is stop crying about which toilets trannies go in and go back to concentrating on workers rights and income inequality.
Caleb Parker
>Atheism is Unstoppable >Reddit
Andrew Butler
> race politics Alt-Lefties like me and AIU understand and acknowledge the differences of IQ in races. We do not endorse egalitarianism. We do not endorse apologist cucks for nigger crime.
> economic outlook - Generally pro-freeish market - We support meaningful regulations but reject non-sense "you are an evil corporation" regulations. - Supports unions so that middle class can be great again - Support single-payer as it seems to work the best. Evidence backs this. (pls dont hurr durr socialism) - Against redistribution of wealth for the sake of it (Envy politics is not tolerated in Alt-Left)
> role of govt Government is a force of good as long as SJW, Progressive ideologues dont corrupt it with a vision of egalitarianism or runaway Welfare. - We reject politics of envy, so no tax rates above 45% just because "you can afford it". - The government should try to help the people as much as it can as long as it has studies showing the government program works before taking tax-payer money for it. - Should have strict regulations for welfare to avoid niggers taking gibs me dat. - Strict regulation of sectors that cause huge damage to the economy if it fails - Wall street, etc.
> Culture - We are open to jokes even about rape etc without censorship - We recognize white countries should not be cucked out of existence. - Immigration only if it helps the host nation - points based immigration - Acknowledge Western Civilization is the greatest of all time and alt-lefties say this without any white guilt.
Brandon Evans
Well done lads.
Lincoln Reed
>There's no need for an alt-left because all the alt-left should be is incapsulated in the old, pre-identity politics left.
You could say exactly the same thing about the alt-right.
Austin Rogers
>my main inspiration is Atheism-is-unstoppable
INTO THE TRASH
Grayson Hughes
As a member of the Alt-Right, I think I can answer this one.
The Alt-Left differ on two things: 1. Economics. 2. How strict social hierarchy should be.
Alt-Left obviously have more Leftist economics, and are more accepting of equality than Alt-Right.
There isn't a huge difference beyond economics, really. It's more about what brand of economics you subscribe to.
Alt-Leftists can range from Keynesians to Marxists (in an ethnically homogenous nation).
Sebastian Murphy
I mean, I'm a classic liberal in the sense of NUMBERS AND LOGIC NOT FEELINGS AND CONCESSION
Ethan Hughes
>Alt Left
Here is a big red pill for you the Alt Right was/is a line pushed by the liberal media in an attempt to attach a label to all these different groups and idea together so they can then be attacked and deconstructed.
Evan James
True. - We are Keynesians. - Generally pro-free marketish with meaningful regulations that protect labour and the environment/ - Generally support a welfare state with strict watchdogs so that leeches cant take advantage of the system.
We are not Marxists and definitely not Cultural Marxists.
Xavier Russell
But how can you be pro-free market if you want a good few regulations and a welfare state? That seems contradictory.
You're probably State Capitalists, with Keynesian economics.
Christopher Watson
They can't attack us. Look at the rise of Donald Trump who I totally reject as any sane possibility for the post of the US presidency. That said, I like how Trumpsters roast SJW progressives.
That's pretty much the gambit of leftist philosophy, though. What's left to be leftist about?
Easton Miller
I'm all for equality, as long as we all realize there is a difference between men and women
Any good welfare system is build on trust, which we now suffer from in this globalised world
I guess I'm really alt left then
Camden Miller
No, we adopted it to escape from the label of Far-Right, which is not applicable to us because it is a smaller range of ideologies and more concrete and extreme in their methodology. The Far-Right also tends to be more authoritarian than us.
Despite these differences, the Left would lump us all into Far-Right anyway so we just adopted a new title.
Noah Murphy
That's what I meant by Generally Pro-Freeish market. Freeish is the keyword.
No regulation in fields where regulations are not needed. Let the market take care of it.
We support meaningful regulations of industries those which have a high risk of corporations.
Isaiah Gutierrez
I feel a little hesitant to agree with "strict" regulations on wall street and single payer I think has particularly potent issues when it comes to efficiency over non-pharmaceutical issues. And unions are something I'd argue should have some regulation to prevent them from making certain industries cancerous, teamsters come to mind. But I'm not really against any of these things in principle.
Other than that I would align quite a bit with this worldview.
So cheers.
Connor Myers
Well, to be fair, Michel Foucault (a French Philosopher) was a Leftist Anarchist and rejected pretty much all of that.
Carter Ortiz
Protecting labour, environment has nothing to do with the cuck behaviour of regressives
Luke Wright
>Donald Trump totally reject as any sane possibility for the post of the US presidency
Clearly you are unfamiliar with with our meme magic, Indianon.
Anthony Williams
Thanks ! Please subscribe to the twitter and subreddit
Evan King
So when Normies talk about how quickly the Alt right grew from a fringe idea to the monstrosity it is now you can explain how it happened because the MSM in their desperate attempts to slander any group in opposition to their (((masters))) agenda called them "alt right" giving them a name, a label and a political identity.
When Normies say they or this or that are/is Alt right is it actually true? Is Milo Actually Alt Right or is he just a faggot? Will the Alt Left just be a corpse propped up on a horse? a reaction to a reaction?
Joshua Thompson
Good set of questions, Kiwianon.
Daniel Gutierrez
POO-LEFT
On the street?
Ethan Powell
Alt-Left is real. Watch AIU videos. He is a lefty like me and based as fuck.
Roasts SJW regressives mercilessly. He opened many lefties to the problem of black crime and black culture in America. The guy is the Godfather of the Alt-Left
Carter White
Some things should be regulated, like the handling of nuclear waste. In general the free market is the best answer, but I don't want it to fuck up my drinking water.
Samuel Harris
>Alt-Left obviously have more Leftist economics, and are more accepting of equality than Alt-Right. >There isn't a huge difference beyond economics, really. It's more about what brand of economics you subscribe to. >Alt-Leftists can range from Keynesians to Marxists (in an ethnically homogenous nation). So Alt-Right gets called nazis and Alt-Left is even mroe nazi
OP you can see why I am about to call you a retard can't you?
Daniel Jackson
I don't even dislike your policies but alt-left, much like alt-right is a memey as fuck term and you would be taken more seriously and not like a redditor if you used a different term.
Oh i don't doubt it that the Alt Left is ""Real"". The monster has broken lose from the laboratory and is on a marauding rampage spawning darker creations of its own. Just trying to give you perspective so when this shit gets shut down harder than occupy you will know why.
Ayden Martinez
I agree with health and safety regulations, but nothing beyond that.
The government should ideally handle the emergency services, roads and infrastructure, a social welfare programme for those who genuinely need it (the disabled and genuinely poor people), and the military.
Everything else should be private.
Liam Stewart
OK Can u suggest a term? Anti-Regressive Leftism seems too long. Paleoliberalism? Alt-Left seems kinda short and sweet
Adrian Roberts
Yes; that's a truth too easily forgotten.
I mean, the alt-left would at least have to some of the doctrines of the Perennialists to be a force that does not peter out in the space of a few months.
Cameron Lee
I thought this already existed and they were race realists. Sarcuck is appropriating the culture of racists.
Grayson Howard
>tfw I'm leftist but I've been relegated to this bullshit because I deeply hate PC culture. Let me off this ride please.
Gabriel Gray
*would at least have to adhere to some of the doctrines, etc.
Thomas Walker
Atheism is an inherently destructive position. Doesn't matter if we take the existence of God out of the situation, atheists are evolutionary failures.
Dylan Butler
Atheism is the natural state of being. You were taught about god and your religion.
Julian Brown
You could just become a Left Libertarian, or a Left Anarchist like French Philosopher Michel Foucault (though admittedly, he did contribute a lot to social constructivism and is used in Gender Studies classes, even though he would have hated the modern Left)
Wyatt Young
>America >Canada >England Beautiful, the English speakers have united under a common goal.
Carter Hernandez
Christopher Hitchens was a Trotskyist turned Neocon. Nice try though.
Aiden Howard
So you are national-socialist, just like the majority of the alt-right.
Protecting labour and enviornment were two of the important issues of the NatSoc regime in Germany.
What you don't seem to recognize, and differentiate from the AltRight, seems to be the JQ. In conclusion, the AltLeft is just a step you take until you are comfortable in aknowledging that the corrupt sistem is at the hands of jews.
Joshua Cox
You see in my opinion when they tried to attach the racist label to the actual Alt Right movement the Alt Right embraced and pushed the negative so hard it turned into a positive.
The Mantra is a classic example of this.
They can call you racist call you white supremacists and it doesn't fucking matter because you will openly talk about white genocide and call them out on their bullshit.
I don't know how the Alt Left can do something like that it just seems like a meme to me.
John Scott
Agreed.
Although continued existence is not certain even if you are theistic.
Justin Bailey
Atheists make no babies.
Ryan Butler
>We alt-lefties reject the Cuck tendencies of regressivism, anti-white bigotry, virtue signalling, Identity politics, Communism/Socialism flirtations, Islam apologism, Refugee crime censorship, minority appeasement, majority bashing and the general asinine SJW bullshit of the mainstream left. At some point you just have to admit that you aren't on the left anymore
Ryan Rodriguez
Take it from me: this is not so.
And let's not go into a debate; you'd only embarrass yourself.
Nathaniel Sanchez
Atheism is not a natural state of being. Animism is. Atheism is found in no society on earth naturally. Even the Piraha are animists.
Ignorance, however, does not mean it's good.
Even if it was, that just shows how useless atheism is: it can't even survive as a default, natural state.
Hudson Long
Religion is a hardwired human instinct. The Atheists (with a capital A) found out the hard way that just because you remove the specific manifestation of a belief in the supernatural doesn't mean that the instinct goes away. They were totally blindsided and were one of the first victims of SJWism because they didn't understand what was going on. They still don't.
Chase Moore
That's why were are the *Alternate* left.
Josiah Evans
Naw; that's a bit of an overstatement.
John Thompson
Should women be allowed to vote?
Asher Scott
Obvious bait
Ayden Turner
But those people tend to survive until something external happens, or the religion is replaced. The people continue unless destroyed.
Irreligious people and societies just don't last, as we can see.
Isaiah Ross
Atheism-is-unstoppable is a Hillary shill.
Cooper Walker
Okay, Atheist women still have a fertility way lower then 2.1, it is not a sustainable society.
Lincoln Allen
Yes. Women should be allowed to vote.
- Strict welfare requirements but if you pass the strict conditions you get generous welfare benefits for uplifting your family and financial situation until u get another job. The strict measures will make sure women don't raise single parent NEETs financially married to the government but give birth to many children with different men.
Asher Ortiz
Aren't you just old fashioned socialists then?
Nolan Young
>alt Left thread descends into a debate about atheism
Fuck my life how long before progressive stack is implemented. Just come over to the dark side life is so much easier.
Michael Carter
>We alt-lefties reject the Cuck tendencies of regressivism, anti-white bigotry, virtue signalling, Identity politics, Communism/Socialism flirtations, Islam apologism, Refugee crime censorship, minority appeasement, majority bashing and the general asinine SJW bullshit of the mainstream left So you are leftists that reject leftism.
I don't think you thought this one through all the way, my rape-prone and unhygienic friend.
Angel Hall
Good point. Almost all variants of Marxism, for instance, serve as a *substitute theology*, complete with an eschatology/teleology (Dialectical Materialism), a priesthood and clergy (the Party), a soteriology (basically "join us or die"), a Church Militant (the People's Liberation Army of Red China is a case in point), sacraments (what else could you call the Young Pioneers?) and a fully functional preaching system (the various publication houses: the USSR's Foreign Language Publishing House, for example, which was HQ'd at 17, Zubovsky Boulevard).
Isaac Rogers
Hillary is based and not as corrupt as you circle jerkers think. While I prefer someone else without the "muh vagina" policies, Hillary actually hates Islam even though she doesn't actually admit it. She will bomb the fuck out of them. She is a hawk but pandering to the liberal SJW cuck base like she is some kind of dove.
Brandon Torres
O-oh, so that's what you mean. In that case, you're right.
Lincoln Allen
LOL yes. That's what this Indianon sounds like, desu.
Charles Richardson
>many children with different men
:)))) That's how cucks are born son. They will not be voting for the politically incorrect """AltLeft""" but for the regressive left. Weak nation, ready to be conquered.
Brody Phillips
How can you guarantee your system will stay this way over time?
Women are just way SJW unless we do a few generations of extreme (positive) subversion and will erode the system over time otherwise.
Henry Richardson
>Hillary >Based
Elaborate
Also how do you figure she isn't that corrupt?
Dominic Murphy
Minority appeasement is and has allways been a fundament of the internationalist left. This is something every major leftist writer from Marx to Stalin agrees on. You can not be a leftist and not be a internationalist. Stop being retarded
Isaiah Thomas
>alt-left Leftwing nationalism was a thing for a centuries. Indian National Congress was a leftwing nationalist party for instace.
Adam Morris
>INC leftwing nationalist party
AYYYYY
That's true, desu~
Caleb Edwards
So what exactly is the difference between you and "National Socialist" besides the Nazi meme?
Jose Nelson
It was meant to be. The Anglosphere must re-unite.
Joshua Mitchell
>Hates Islam Yeah she sure does hate the Saudis.
Jaxson Lee
This
This is how the leftwing was before women got the vote.
Leo Lee
>hates Islam
We don't need someone who "hates" Islam, because "hate" implies irrationality and bombing them for no good reason. We don't need someone who hates Islam and wants to kill Muslims, just someone who recognizes Islam as threat and will contain and neutralize.
Bentley Cruz
We should.
But no more white wars.
Samuel Nelson
If you honestly see her scandals one by one, case by case you will see the pattern. Small controversy > Right-wing talk hype > congressional investigation > drag on with tax payer dollars for 2 years min > Republican led committee gives her a clean-chit.
Remember they tried to nail her in so many scandals for the fuck. Whitewater etc. all of them the same pattern. Clinton Foundation has a 90% rating from Charity watch foundation which monitors charity organization for fraud. Please open your eyes. Right wing slanders her till the point where the public go "Hmm.. so many accusations.. so it must be true!" .. even though republicans are the ones who acquitted her.
She has not taken even $1 of Saudi money. See her finance reports. You are taking about Clinton Foundation, which is a legit organization.
Jace Wright
So, they are just racist communists? Isn't the idea behind communism that all people are equal? How do they reconcile the two?