Are there people that unironically think that pic related is better than Michael Jordan?

are there people that unironically think that pic related is better than Michael Jordan?

if you're one of them, please stand up and at least try to justify being so wrong

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Skill set wise absolutely. Jordan would die in this era of players. Lebron would dominate back then.

Jordan is way overrated. He's top 10 player of all time, but not top 5.

Complete opposite. Jordan had more skill, but wasnt that physically dominating body wise even in his era. Sure he was a gifted athlete, but a lot of that came from training and pure determination

Lebron relies only on his athleticism, even in his age. All he does is dunk or layup now, he still has a trash jumper and cant post up worth a damn. But he is a GOAT passer.

As a player hes just as good as jordan, there are others who are among the elite of elites and lebron is part of that upper echelon.

As far as other stuff, he may lack but then again it wasnt like he didnt play against good teams. The magic and celtics team were pretty good & he literally had no help.

If you look at the teams he played on with the cavs before he went to the heat. Only mo williams was selected to an all star and I think that was after an injury to someone else. Same boat as dirk in that regard, management/owner was too stupid to get him actual help. I wouldnt be surprised if I see him go to the warriors next just like durant and take a massive ass pay cut just to make it happen just so he can win some more rings.

... you don't follow basketball do you. Jordan didn't have to play against zone defenses which would have killed his isoball bullshit. Not only that he played in a highly diluted league because of all the expansion teams, with rules set up to allow more scoring.

Jordan was a 6'6 225 point guard with a 44 inch vert you dumbass. He was a big ass ultra athletic point guard who scored mainly in isoball.

Lebron playing in those years would have scored so fucking much it was a joke. Everyone from Bill russell, to wilt, to magic, to lebron agree jordan played in an era where the rules were set up for scoring.

Jordan playing now would have to deal with zone defenses and a whole litany of other shit. He'd score maybe 26 a game. When jordan retired the first time the bulls were fine that's how good the bulls were set up.

When lebron leaves a team it falls apart. Jordan had basically a dream team with an awesome coach.

Jordan was great, but he wasn't skill wise near lebron's level.

Is this pasta or are you just retarded?

Are you retarded?

You have both sides of an argument selected....and...

is english hard for you

The only "argument" you have to say Jordan was better is his charisma or his rings, none is a proof of individual talent

>jordan played in an era where the rules were set up for scoring.
What were these rules?

Lebron hasn't had to deal with HOF centers for the majority of his career. People overstate his physical prowess. He's big, strong, and quite quick but he wouldn't bully a shaq or robinson like he can other players.
Jordan WOULD have to deal with zone but he'd also have no hand check so he could score pretty much at will like lebron. And if a team can build shooters around harden or lebron, jordan could definitely yield some spot up shooters.

>when lebron leaves a team, it falls apart
This just isn't true. When he left the cavs, that team had to deal with injuries to it's top players and a complete overhaul of most of it's previous roster. Lebron didn't leave the same team that came back that season. And when he left the heat, dwade and bosh had missed most of the next season with injuries but quickly regrouped the next season, making it back to the playoffs.

Lebron is top 5 but none of what u said puts him over Jordan.

>reddit spacing
That zone argument is bullshit. They got rid of it quickly once the 3 second violation went into affect. Even then, just like how NBA teams dont press, is that these guys are insanely good. Playing a zone when you have 45+% 3pt shooters on the floor is retarded just like pressing Russell Westbrook.

Also, he wasnt a PG... he was a true SG. Also there was tougher man defense as the defense was more physical back then with handchecks, pushes and post play. And the bulls were not fine. They didnt win shit that year, how does that make them "fine"

>charisma
Wut? If he wasn't so good, he wouldn't be the face of the league no matter how he acted.
>rings
Well yeah

I'm not saying Jordan wasn't good, just saying LeBron is better

A big part of Jordan's myth is Space Jam and all those 80s and 90s kills will forever praise Jordan

Space jam was after his first three peat. After he basically dominated everyone and had an already HOF career and left for baseball. Nobody thought he was the GOAT til the second three peat. People don't say lebron isn't the goat cuz he's not popular. Jordan is a known douche. He's not the goat cuz stats wise, ring wise, looking at all the intangibles, he has not shown the consistent dominance that jordan showed during the 90's. It's close enough for it to be a debate but until bron wins some more rings, he's just chasing to me.

Jordan was consistent because he played his whole career in the same team, imagine if LeBron had played all his career with Wade and Bosh

Why didn't he? Lol
It really doesn't matter where u play if you believe in what you're doing.

>watching apehoop

Because he's a good boy and wanted to play for his hometeam

It would be like Jordan leaving the Bulls and win a ring with Charlotte

he went back because the Cavs magically got the #1 overall pick and he saw an opportunity to form another super team there

And they got Anthony fucking Bennett

Imagine if they had picked Giannis

and then Andrew Wiggins

>imagine if LeBron had played all his career with Wade and Bosh
then he would just be called a "Wade and Bosh baby" his whole career

So Jordan is a Pippen and Rodman baby?

>It really doesn't matter where u play if you believe in what you're doing.
truth
this

Rings are a team accomplishment and Jordan needed his teammates. There is no team good enough for LeBron, and he will retire the top in every statistic.

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Reminder that LeBron should have at least one more ring, 2015 Finals was bullshit and 2017 asterisked.

player's success is determined by their own skill and is independent of the other players on their teams

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