Tfw we arrested the Catalan President and will extradite him to the Spanish authorities

>tfw we arrested the Catalan President and will extradite him to the Spanish authorities
>by that, we destroyed the unity within the Spanish national team before the World Cup

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This is all a plan by Portugal, with the purpose of makingq a revolution in Catalonia andnstop tourists going from there

We also sent refugees to your country for that reason, Hans

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You really cant extradict him as you dont have sedition or rebellion charges in your law, you have high treason and even then, those three charges both in spain and germany imply violence wich only came from spanish authorities.
Whatever you decide it will create a diplomatic mess and I love it.

We caused an uproar in Catalonia, which in turn will cause a conflict inside the Spanish national team, that was the point here.
>implying Pique and Ramos will be able to co-work now

And while the Catalans will fight with the Spanish police in Barcelona, we will comfortably watch from Mallorca while sipping our Sangria and waiting for the World Cup.

La vida es bella, amigo

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you sure speak with confidence for someone who knows fuckall about how these things work

you're in for a little surprise, Jordi

>And while the Catalans will fight with the Spanish police in Barcelona
so far they're fighting the regional police, ironically

Can you enlight me then with your superior manolo iq?

You talking about the players or the fans? Most of the Catalonian players don't give a fuck

The regional police is now in the hands of the spanish goberment because of the 155 ruling

>great revolutionary leader
>fucks off the moment his liberty is at risk
What did he mean by this

He never called himself a revolutionary or pushed for a violent revolution, he was just making what most catalans wanted, an independence referendum
He eidnt even declare the republic, just threat spain with doing it to negotiate

Catalonia is NOT spain

yeah Catalonia is gay lmao

Can I get a quick rundown? I try to avoid foreign affairs.

Why is he in jail then?

BASED

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Because eu nations have the right to call for a police detention in other european nations
A judge however is the one that has to decide to extradict him or not

I mean, but what are the charges, you said he did nothing wrong

I'd rather let the events unfold thanks

catalan mental gymnastics at their best, such as

>He eidnt even declare the republic, just threat spain with doing it to negotiate
this is apparently an a-ok thing to do while being a regional government subjected to a Constitution that explicitly prohibits negotiating any sort of secession

sedition, rebellion and embezzlement

The charges are sedition and rebellion because the spanish gobernment order him not to make the referendum
The demonstrations are proof of violence acording to the spanish judge, just an excuse to jail independentist politicians for 20 years and set an example

Si el referendum era no vinculante, por qué tanto escándalo

The constitution explicetly states lots if bullshit
There was no way of making a legal rederendum as catalans are a minority in the senate and congress

The spanish goberment says that it wasnt to deny the fact that people voted for independence while at the same time stating that it was so that the politicians have to be put in prison

After all the shit you had to go throught during franquism, do you really need that? Why don't they just let Catalunya have a real referendum like Britain does with their nations?

people voted for independence because "no" voters didn't even bother turning up for this meme referendum of yours, you know that if it was actually binding immigrants from the rest of Spain + immigrants from abroad + catalans who want to remain would outnumber you. Like that Quebec referendum in 1995, except you have way more migrants then they had back then so it wouldn't even be close.

>The constitution explicetly states lots if bullshit
maybe catalonia shouldn't have signed and approved it then

porque esto es africa
>el referéndum era perfectamente legal
>no hubo ninguna llamada a la violencia
>no hubo ningún acto violento
>todos los cargos deben incluir necesariamente la violencia, que no ocurrió

Independence wasnt the first thing the catalan parliament demanded, they just wanted to give less money to the rest of spain cause Catalonia is in economic turmoil and Spain refuses to properly invest in it wjile there are spanish regions with half the population on state payroll.
Independnece was pushed when the spanish goberment stated that there was no way of changing the financial system and also a response to anticatalan laws like lapao and taking down lots of catalan laws like the ones about home evictions.

the constitution allows for the referendum that was done, it was legal within the constitution, the charges are a sham

Will you be sending him into Spain via an armoured train?

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Current catalonia didnt, my parents couldnt vote it

>>no hubo ningún acto violento
I've seen images of policemen hitting people like they were dogs

I thought spanish constitution explicitly forbids secession?

no, our constitution is pretty fucking neat by international standards. inviolable national unity is the norm in pretty much every constitutional text around the world

>There was no way of making a legal rederendum as catalans are a minority in the senate and congress
that's fucking democracy in the works retard, stop being mad Catalonia can't unilaterally bend Spanish politics to its will (even though they actually have for decades)

you simply can't hold a referendum on those terms, binding or otherwise

there are Constitutional Court rulings stating the contrary, are you fucking retarded?

And Im sure you wouldve loved that russian and german inmigrants wouldve denied your independnce right? You didnt have that problem cause no one wanted to migrate to your shithole and you were independent just because germany lost the war
Have some respect to those that didnt share your luck

>you simply can't hold a referendum on those terms, binding or otherwise
It was just a poll

Because spain only purpouse in life is to castillanize Catalonia after losing all the comonies
They dont have any other thing going for them

there are polls on those kind of sentiments already

that wasn't one

He means from the independentist politicians

THE REFERENDUM WAS PERFECTLY LEGAL SINCE A 2012 CHANGE IN THE LAW

STOP SAYING IT WASN'T

EVEN JULIO ANGUITA CAME OUT TO SAY IT WAS LEGAL

THE CHARGES OF REBELION AND SEDITION REQUIRE VIOLENCE AND CALLS TO VIOLENCE, THERE WERE NONE

ALL CHARGES ARE A SHAM

based retarded catalan

you can't seriously compare Catalonia under Spain to Poland under partitions - we were attacked and conquered, you willingly joined the fucking union and then started throwing tantrums after Castille turned out to be the dominant force in it instead of you. The actual parallel here is Lithuanian nationalism - lithuanian nationalists claim that they were oppresed under Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth because Poland was dominant politically and culturally in it, despite willingly entering the union, benefiting from it and not having any problems with it for centuries until russian anti-polish propaganda started working in late 19th century. Did you know that modern Belarus and half of Ukraine were also Polish? And I mean fully, culturally, polish language, names etc. One of our greatest heroes Kosciuszko was from modern Belarus, our greatest poet Mickiewicz was from Lithuania and they considered themselves polish.

So you see, Poland is actually Castille in this story. Unifying, culturally and lingustically dominant force in the region that was undone by regional nationalist and secessionist movements funded and promoted by our enemies. Even today there's a small but loud minority of Silesian nationalists who want autonomy, and everyone knows they're secretely funded by the Germans. The parallel between Catalonia and Silesia is yet again clear to us, especially since one of the main arguments in both cases is economic. Waah, you "carry" the rest of Spain, waah, Silesian industry carried Polish economy. Same old shit. So don't expect sympathy from polish nationalists, only lefties here support your cause. Also our right wing admires Franco + we're catholic and it's common knowledge about catalans massacring priests and nuns during the civil war + you allied with Stalin and he's actually more hated in Poland than Hitler.

Why is Catalonia full of socialists?
Every time I met an Erasmus student from these parts, they tend to have extreme communist tendencies

>inviolable national unity

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Only lefties make erasmus

Probably a combination of: left over Civil War sentiments, and the tendency for a predominantly non-violent independence movement to be attractive to left-wingers (see SNP.) Of course the latter is probably only true in the 21st century.

DON'T ARREST ME OR MY BROTHER EVER AGAIN

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damn you are that fucking goon of yesterday
so fucking wrong on everything

I literally made this joke to a German friend just now, rate:
10:54 - (him): i dont even know on what charges he has been arrested
10:55 - (me): stealing joachim loew's haircut

calm down Jordi, you're making a scene

here, Constitutional Court rulings stating BOTH your memerendums go against the supreme law and are therefore illegal and invalid:

tribunalconstitucional.es/NotasDePrensaDocumentos/NP_2017_074/2017-4334STC.pdf

tribunalconstitucional.es/NotasDePrensaDocumentos/NP_2015_015/2014-05830STC.pdf

in case you fail to grasp how these things work, these referenda didn't happen in a vacuum - they were articulated through laws (a prerequisite for any referendum) emanating from the regional parliament. it wasn't "a poll". it wasn't a bunch of neighbours voting spontaneously.

is that supposed to be a pun? I couldn't give less of a shit about the unfolding of the Spanish empire

dunno but for most of it's democratic history it's been the centre-right that has been at the helm of the Catalan government. hell, even now they are the majority party within the indepentist movement

more like POOPalan, right?

spanish constitution didnt allow to give away our currency yet here we are

what was his reaction?

...what?

there's no such clause in the Spanish Constitution and there has never been

> implying that Simón Bolívar, Willem van Oranje and José de San Martín won independence by whining to their lawyers
Catalans are cowards confirmed. If you had fought hard like the Portuguese and Dutch, maybe you would live in a small advanced European country like the Netherlands. But you chose money over dignity lel

>started throwing tantrums after Castille turned out to be the dominant force in it instead of you.
no, that was after they gave away part of our territory and then change the dinasty and destroyed our goberment, language and cultural centers
And also you talk like people aproved every change when it was just monarchs marrying

>Did you know that modern Belarus and half of Ukraine were also Polish
yes I know, that, it just seems to me that you like castillanization but not russification, you are an hiprocite

*crying laughter emoji*

Puigdemont is a typical neoliberal politician and his party is Chicago school right-wing. Probably your Erasmus friends support CUP, a small but loud Catalan separatist party, but CUP are anarchists, not communists.

You Catalans are doing it wrong.

I realize you're angry that you're richter than the Spaniards and have to carry their poor asses along, we are in the same situation here. But you shouldn't leave your country, but just constantly remind the rest of it that you are the richest state in the country and that without you (and some other neighboring states) the country would collapse economically.
You should also completely dominate the national league.

It's a great feeling desu.

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Not really, we just lose and castille favoured keeping us instead of portugal who were saved from future conquers by the english

what a nice document then lmao

that was before spain spending tax payers money conecting every non catalan small city by highspeed trains and basically bankrupting the whole nation

there's a big difference: you fellas deal with germans (retarded but follow the law and work), we deal with spaniards (simply retarded)

>Spanish monarchy sucks ass for hundreds of years, all inbred and feudal and fucking failures after Napoleon btfo all the little princedoms
Bunch of different people begin to live as they like
>Counter reform bullshit for a while, monarchy makes a comeback
Based Republicans btfo out of ridiculous Spanish monarchy, began reforms
>Catholics and proudboys began to try to undermine government
Franco the Eternal Weeb comes in, performs coup, tries to""modernize""
>not good enough, so he just invents a new monarchy, literally just picks some fat ass idiot to play king and give him legitimacy, kills anyone who critizes him
Franco and his fuckbois try to create mythical Spanish Nation and suppress dances and other retarded dictator shit
>Generations of Spaniards grow up cucked by the promise of concrete block housing and low cost fuel
Franco dies, democracy and based republicanism make their way back, but for cuckold reasons they keep the fake king
>Basques say fuck this and BTFO out of Spanish police until they get some independence
Catalonians just whine mostly but dont do shit to free themselves because they are making huge amounts of money by being the best part of Spain
>Catalonians see more shekels as EU mircostate, demand independence
Dont do fuck all except hold a pretend vote and get btfo by >national police
>Catalonians haev no leader and rely on a soccer team and some beaches for national unity

> that was after they gave away part of our territory
Holy shit that's rich. Catalan education knows no shame.

> Spanish prime minister requests money and soldiers from all Spanish territories because we're in the middle of the fucking 30 years war
> and France is supporting the bad guys
> everyone except Castile says no fuck you we won't die for the Pope against heathens
> Catalan institutions throw the biggest tantrum and proclaim their loyalty to the king of France
> France invades and annexes Catalonia
> even after the peace of Westphalia the French won't leave
> 11 long years of war lead to a Spanish defeat
> as part of the peace treaty, Spain loses some territory forever
> France annexes the north part of Catalonia for good, and holocausts the Catalan culture there
> something that would have never happened in the first place if Catalans hadn't sworn allegiance to the French king
> "hurr durr Castilians gave our land away"
Let me guess, 1713-1714 was a Spanish invasion of independent Catalunya.

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>yes I know, that, it just seems to me that you like castillanization but not russification, you are an hiprocite
not really, I like polonization, don't like russification, don't care about castillanization

I already said many times on this topic, the reason we don't particularly care for catalonia is the undeniable leftist element in your independent movements and your history with Stalin and anarchism. If your nationalist movement was actually, really old-school hardcore etnonationalism rebelling against globalism and degenerate oppresive spanish government rather than some fucking hippy-antifa che-flag-waving peaceful protest cuckfest we would love you.

You seem to imply in general that polish history makes us hypocrites if we don't support other independist movements, but that's simply not true, it's about ideology. Catalonia isn't the only example - during the Yugoslav wars during the 90's polish nationalists supported serbs not bosnians, and still today we believe Kosovo is Servian clay. We just don't like muslims.

On the other hand, while the matter isn't really relevant or discussed so I can't be sure, but I bet that most polish nationalists support Ireland and Scotland against UK. I know there's some respect for basques too. On yet another hand Russia vs Chechnya and Israel vs Palestine is pretty much bad vs evil for us so we just hope they keep on fighting and killing each other forever.

don't you know that france wanted flandes but castille gave the rousillon instead while keeping flandes that was way harder to defend and eventually we also lost?
Union de armas lead to portugal independence and you defent it lmao

I told you yesterday, stalin helped because france and uk didn't and the commies here end up ruling cause they were the ones with guns
and commies were internationalists, not catalanist

>Let me guess, 1713-1714 was a Spanish invasion of independent Catalunya
well yes in the last year it was
catalonia chosed the aubsubrgs that sided with the english cause they didnt want the borbons to have spain and france
the anglos then abandoned and the aubsburg king died so the son didn't need to take spain cause he became the king of austria
Large part of catalans didnt abandon though and they were steamrolled by Philip V
Inb4 casanovas fought for spain
yes, an aubsburg federal spain, not a borbonic castille spain

*Augsburg

look, I get it, but that way you can excuse anything. bolshevik revolution? hey, the workers were genuinely oppresed so I can kinda understand why they fell for the communism meme, still doesn't change the fact that poles feel absolute and utter contempt for russians for falling for it, even if we understand why they did it.

There were also good reasons why Bosnians invited arabs to help them fight during the 90's, doesn't change the fact that we absolutely despise them for inviting and allowing shitskins on european soil to kill white christians. Hell, there were even pretty good reasons for why Bosnians converted to Islam in the first place and we still don't like them for it.

On a pragmatic side of things you should've played it like poles or jews. Either you scheme for centuries like kikes and take over power in Spain from the inside or, like Poland, after getting your asses kicked in few uprisings you lay low and wait for that one crucial opening to exploit. World War I was ours and we took it. You know, if you just waited a few years World War II could've been yours. If it wasn't for the destruction after civil war Francoist Spain would surely join the Axis and enter the war, and then get invaded and beaten by the allies. Catalans would be at that negotiating table after the war, just like we were after WWI, and then, and only then, would be a good time to start armed struggle in the region, when central government would be unable to send the army or any kind of reinforcements to fight you. So I'm basically saying you should've rolled over for Franco and then rebel when you actually had chances to win.

Fantastic thread desu

Consequences here too, Pep will step up his ribbon protest and work the FA into a shoot talking about swastikas, the star of david and the holocaust again.

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the commies here were lead by foreigners, it was mostly spanish migrants that came to work on factories
and they didn't hold on the whole of catalonia, just some cities
there was no commie catalonia, you've been fooled

>You know, if you just waited a few years World War II could've been yours. If it wasn't for the destruction after civil war Francoist Spain would surely join the Axis and enter the war, and then get invaded and beaten by the allies. Catalans would be at that negotiating table after the war, just like we were after WWI, and then, and only then, would be a good time to start armed struggle in the region, when central government would be unable to send the army or any kind of reinforcements to fight you. So I'm basically saying you should've rolled over for Franco and then rebel when you actually had chances to win.
you are right on that but at that point they didnt know

It doesn't make it a "Spanish invasion" more than the Carlist siege of Bilbao or the 1939 fascist assault on Madrid were "Spanish attacks" on independent Bilbao and independent Madrid.
> Inb4 casanovas fought for spain
> yes, an aubsburg federal spain, not a borbonic castille spain
Of course he did. Casanova would defend his king and country to the last breath. Were Espartero and Zumalacárregui fighting for a foreign country? O'Donnell and Cabrera? Prim and Serrano? He fought for Spain, for his Habsburg king of Spain, and lost against a superior Bourbon enemy.