My dad says that what Trump suggests is impossible...

My dad says that what Trump suggests is impossible. We can't bring jobs back to America because the price of goods would be too high to sell. He says that we're being told what we want to hear and it'll never happen. How can it be possible for us to bring the american dream back?

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Your dad is a retarded baby boomer who doesn't know his ass from his elbows.

>When things cost more to make, they will need to be sold for a higher price

Intensely complex economics that most people could never understand.

Yeah don't think people realize the whole "bring shitty manufacturing jobs back to America" means that all the cheap ass shit you're used to buying will cost a lot more.

Just moved to France and had to go buy a stapler. Cheapest model at Office Depot is $25 because Made in France I shit you not.

your dad is a faggot

>implying the average American isn't lazy and underemployed
Honestly outsourcing sucks but it's given a lot of people the ability to live way above their means. Think about how many people work stupid government jobs or just in administration keeping chairs warm then can go out on a Saturday and buy products made around the globe.
T.B.H. pham we kinda deserve it

Your dad is absolutely 100% correct. The fact that he recognizes this and cares enough to tell you is proof enough that he is someone you should be taking advice from m8.

It's pretty basic economics.

there's a movie called The Bounty which might be applicable here. Perhaps the Jew has us hooked so deep on cheap whores that we simply won't pay for a nice respectable one.

So it's impossible? To sell American products?
He also likes to point out that Americans wouldn't want to work for as low wages as tomato pickers do for example. I want to believe we can maga but they all say it's impossible and I can't refute it.

business will adapt as it always has

So corporations will have to stop paying their CEOs and upper echelon less than billions of dollars to compete

Le boo le hoo

The only reason we are able to have nice places like Wal Mart that can provide affordable products is because they pay what amounts to indentured slaves in southeast asia pennies to manufacture their shit.

If you were to bring that back here, you would have to pay that same number of employees the federal minimum wage at the very least.

The products cost 10x more to produce, and since corporations can't be expected to just "settle for less money" we are stuck in this conundrum.

Biggest tax cuts in modern American history like he proposed and an increase in overall wages should counter that though, no?

He's right, you know.

Cut down the profit margins.

>my dad says....

Stopped reading

walmart will either adapt or go bankrupt. in either case, america wins.

>implying deporting millions of illegal meixcans would not have an effect on the job market

It's not impossible. Everything American made will just cost more.

And there's a reason immigrants get those jobs in the first place. How many of your friends have you ever seen apply for a job to pick fruit? Americans dont want jobs that make them look like tards.

Democrats here are offering them free college educations, and they're voting for a guy that wants to put them in factory assembly lines. Take that as you will.

I personally think they're a social parasite that feeds off the government.

When something 90% of your full time employees live on welfare there's something seriously wrong with the business model.

Found the Bernout.

>what is a liberal

horaay for shitty jobs everywhere!

>luxury goods will cost more!!1!

Nice argument, white collar weenies.

>but goyim, America was never great, and there's no going back
Absolute bullshit. We can bring back protectionism like we had back in the day, and things will begin to improve almost immediately. Don't let these bastard kikes grind you down, they are liars, whores, and thieves.

a lot of their business model just kills what made america great to begin with: lots of variety with small businesses and the perks that come with that (more opportunities to move 'up', good employers, more jobs, etc)

First, your dad is a retard.

Allow that to sink in for a bit.

Big Box stores are on the way out anyway. Amazon has completely destroyed them. We will be seeing cheap shit sold in places like Wal-Mart moved to online retailers only.

nice constructive argument, care to back up?

Alot of people don't get the math here, and to be honest its not my field of expertise but I'll take a crack at it
>lower taxes on each income class, more money in everyone's wallet, less for gov
>bring back American jobs, more money in everyone's wallet, less for gov

So people complain about how Obama fucks the federal deficit, dont see that this going to rape the deficit even more.

To offset federal debt, there is going to be a lot of spending cuts so benefits like social security, healthcare, etc etc. All the things to government tries to do to help the people, gets cut. So your money loses buying power (everything costs more) while you're paying for everything out of your pocket directly.

This doesn't factor in how cutting free trade will do more damage either.

The math on this stuff shows trumps policies driving the country another 10trillion in debt. Again, take this as you will, with a grain of salt, etc.

Proof?

[spoiler]I was paid 10$ a hour to manufacture ibuprofen in the states[/spoiler]

Abolishing Federal Minimum Wage and lowering Coporate Tax Rate to 15% like China should counter this.

its simple

Shut up, fag, Trump is going to create jobs by building the wall.

Alabama HB 56.

They went on a crusade deporting illegals in their state. Producers suffered for a year or so, then prospered. Unemployment is at an almost all-time low, and they have the highest black employment rate in America.

All these people saying businesses will adapt as always aren't wrong, it's just going to take a bit more adaptation. A few companies will be weeded out, but it will give newer and smaller businesses an opportunity to compete. Mom and Pop won't be selling apples for twice the price of Walmart's.

>Build wall
>It's a huge manual labour job
>A job that illegals would normally be taking
>But they're already gone
>Suddenly tens of thousands of jobs opening
>Tens of thousands of new people now have money to spend that boosts the economy
>Smaller businesses set up shop near the wall which helps them put money in their pocket and gives an another boost to the economy
>If there's not enough workmen (which is unlikely) Trump will source workers from Anglo nations boosting the 60% figure even higher
>A top end estimate to build the wall is $1-3bn
>Which is offset by the amount saved on illegals
>And is also offset by the economic boost
>Democrats desperately try to find something else to blame Trump for

And the world keeps spinning. Just think, you're alive just at the right time for Killary to be so desperate to pin something on Trump she'll blame him for the Titanic sinking.

>We can't bring jobs back to America because the price of goods would be too high to sell.

I forgot how americans were all poor as shit and had runaway staflation back in the 50s and 60s before we started importing all our shit from china. And let's not forget that we didn't have restaurants and orchards before we started using illegal aliens for cheap labor.

>build wall
>improve infrastructure
>all materials must be sourced from US companies

holy shit, millions of jobs overnight. also revise the HTSUS (look it up, i work in imports) to kill all the shit coming from china/vietnam/other upcoming 3rd world shitholes. kill NAFTA. stop bowing down to the altar of globalism. that's it.

Yet somehow it worked for 200 years.

Not saying Dad isn't right, but how is the existence of the American Apparel company explained then?

Sure. Your elites will happely accept that. Raising minimum wage to $25 will cause some billionaires to rather construct reasons for a civil war then cutting their ability to travel 1. class to get a coke.

Its so insane that you really believe that Commodore Trumpino will undo 50 years of trade deals. He will not. He will grandstand and not deliver.

And then he loses House and Senate and then the whole Republican dream is done forever, when the electorate shifts to more and more liberal mix race basis.

Because of this I want Commodore Trump to win. He will fail at everything because he is a liar and NONE of his projects ever really worked in the free market place.

It would be fine if minimum wage were abolished

If jobs come back into America, yes some goods will be more expensive due to regulations here and the higher wages of workers versus some place like China. However if people are buying those goods, and lets say we revoke China's best nation to trade with status and put a tariff on China, then our goods will be on par.

We are being told what we want to here, but we all know what candidate is going to actually do something. *Trump*

>le fruit picking meme
It's done by machines mostly.
Also we need maybe 100k of them not 60 million.

>t..Trump couldn't actually build the wall

.t my increasingly nervous boomer dad who uses bean labor

Call your dad a cuck and tell us what he says OP

If some greedy company wants to sell a $10 umbrella for $100 and people don't want it, they will be forced to sell for less, not make $15 billion a quarter and maybe pay their employees instead of jacking up stock prices beyond what is realistic

I see you're ready Pedro

This is the model Japan and France are trying for years, lots of protection lots of tricks to avoid giving jobs to immigrants.

Both countries in shambles. But hey at least we have to check this nonsense off the list.

>cutting free trade
He's not going to cut free trade and has never ever expressed the desire to do so. He wants to renegotiate NAFTA, not cut it entirely.
He'll take any type of trade as long as America gets a good deal, he's said so over and over before.

The price of goods wont be too high to sell, but, and this is particularly for exports, why would other countries buy something more expensive if they can get the same thing cheaper?

You're dads a dumbass boomer or a marketing major.


It's called work smarter, not harder. Pic related.

That's Bullshit. It's likely they'd go up a little but do you really need a fucking supercomputer in your pocket? It's not that necessary.

by actually updating american manufacturing techniques.

G-code for numerical control hasn't changed since it was run on paper tape. many of the machines we have are decades old. not to mention the talent pool for manufacturing is ankle deep.

>muh automation kills jobs

not really. the most damaging effect is that automation raises the skill floor of the industry substantially. you can't cut it in manufacturing without some type of formal training nowadays, so gone are the "meat robot" jobs that the american middle class relied on all those years ago.

i know US manufacturing companies with really cutting edge machines that won't let anyone with less than an engineering degree touch.

Yeah, "I looked at the deal and I want your daughter once a week on my lap for 30minutes. Thats the new deal and you have to take it"

"Yeah, sure"

"I said so! I'm Trump!"

"Hahahaha Muhuhahaha"

Why in the world should they accept such a proposal. Reneg on any large deal takes more time than one presidency.

>government taxes people
>uses it on jobs
>Tens of thousands of new people now have money to spend that boosts the economy

>believing in this level of an economic fallacy

wow some of you are retarded and dont understand basic economics. You're taking peoples money and spending it in less efficient ways that they money wasnt intended to be spent on

>A top end estimate to build the wall is $1-3bn
>trusting any government project funding estimate ever

it will go higher and you're a fucktard for believing any of this

America isn't Germany

The problem with this argument is that the trade deals were already crafted to give the most benefits to America. So when he says "renegotiate" I'm not entirely sure what he means.

>Both countries in shambles.
Not going to touch France, but Japan is hardly in "shambles". Their economy is still one of the biggest in the world, it just hasn't seen any significant growth in a decade or two and a half, the average being around 0.5%. Not good, but hardly shambles.

Shambles is Somalia, Venezuela, South Sudan. But certainly not France or Japan.

Less difference between smaller and larger manufacturers. More businesses spring up. Businesses have to compete by lowering prices and minimizing profit margin to stand above rest.

Same thing as buying a car. One dealer has a model for $10,000, the other for $9,000. They're both worth the same, but you go to the first dealer and tell them the price of the second, they'll drop the price to $8,500.

>Bridgeport
>not Mikron, Samsung, or Akira Seiki

lel, its like buying a Harley Davidson. you are just paying for a name.

That's all an idealist fanfiction. All of that can't happen in 4 or 8 years plus a good amount of Congress won't let him including some Republicans. Protectionism doesn't work either to save jobs it just screws over the consumers.

>Just moved to France and had to go buy a stapler. Cheapest model at Office Depot is $25 because Made in France I shit you not.

wow that sucks, especially considering here in America I can find a truck load of used staplers for a nickel

we have so many used goods it's just crazy to buy anything except people are retarded so they keep buying new shit made in China not realizing every purchase of foreign goods is a shot fired in the economic war

Kinda the opposite, most engineers have zero concept of how g code works let alone could work a manual lathe. Regular straight up machinist do it. I even work in a university prototype lab and my boss only has a highschool degree and experience.

Tell them if they don't buy from us they're out of NATO.

You mean you failed system with non working politics bought off by billionaires will now create the new utopia by a man that spews 100% lies and grandstand?

This is not even funny anymore. This looks like people deliberately trying to destroy their country. When Commodore Trumpino fails, and he will fail hard, it will be surely not his fault.

And he isn't even Commodore yet, but the damage control is already working.

This is the weakest point in Trump's entire argument. America has had all the bargaining power historically

>And then he loses House and Senate

seems pretty impossible with his internet team making phone calls and threats Trump can pass whatever he wants

this is going to get awkward just like first term Obama where he just had to sit there with his hands in his pockets doing nothing with the majority he had

>corporations will have to stop paying their CEOs and upper echelon less than billions of dollars to compete.
>Believing this would happen.
That would be surprising, their labour is expensive, unqualified labour is fucking cheap

>that the trade deals were already crafted to give the most benefits to America.

Clearly not, and he's been saying so for nearly 30 years.
I'd rather trust the guy with nearly 50 years of business and economic experience than some schmuck on Sup Forums, so I hope you'd understand why I don't believe you when you say that.

You're just shitposting for the (You)s without contributing anything.

Ask your dad why the stuff wasn't expensive before it was outsourced.

hahah build wall you all burgers are so fucking stupid if you really believe a wall can stop the immigration problem.

Too naive and too young.

Poor little delusional bastards.

its ok i know education in the usa is really costy so from 100 persons here only like 5 would have college.

what kind of answears can you spect from ppl like that?
lmao

Protectionism doesn't work. Free trade does, it's like none of you ever read an Economics book and just like bending over for you Daddy Donald. There's a good reason we got rid of protectionism, because it can't be sustained on an international level and year of specialization on trade, we need can't afford protectionism.

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Japan survives by old networks and old companies drifting, with high end products china can't deliver.

The young is completely left off for a second generation now and when the old companies will be wiped by China, it will fall hard.

They are just managing not to fall, but not preparing for the future, nor investing in the future. The Economist even stopped harping on Japan because it made no sense after two decades of standstill to beat a dead horse.

>Cut down the profit margins.
What company would do that? They have to answer to their shareholders. Seriously, isn't Economics 101 an obligatory course?

>buying jap products
I know what side of the wall you're going on

Do not believe his fucking lies.

Tell him to look at the AR-15, and how American companies and capitalism have produced the most reliable and affordable rifles in the world.

Today if you want to buy an AR-15, there are hundreds if not thousands or even ten thousands of American companies making parts for AR-15 rifles. You can build the equivalent of a NASCAR race-car with the best parts from multiple manufacturers all competing, and mostly made right here in America. The AR market is incredible and I suggest you take a good look at it.

Some companies entered the AR market from Aerospace true, some government shekels involvement, but not all or even most.

my point was that in order to bring manufacturing back to america, we would need a complete overhaul of our manufacturing system as well as training a whole generation of new workers in a highly technical field.

its why CMM programmers can make $100 an hour and hold whole job shops hostage.

stay in inside your little bubble Captain. Autismo

or inside your little wall lmao

>mfw

>the post of an average mexican intellectual

>their labour is expensive
yeah ellen pao and that chick from yahoo and hundreds of other corporate bosses who fuck up their companies are worth their weight in gold

It exists for every other country in the world outside of the EU.

>They are just managing not to fall, but not preparing for the future, nor investing in the future

Citations?

>The Economist

Oh yeah, I'm sure the Economist is a wholly trustworthy source, especially since it's largely owned by the Rothschilds!

Your dad is right. Enjoy your Malaysian slave labour, take your gubmint hush money welfare cheque and be glad your country isn't in a civil war

Reduce your welfare benefits so Walmart has to increase wages then.

Yeah, there's a good (((reason))) we got rid of protectionism.

Since when have trade deals made a significant impact on the economy as a whole to fuck people over? NAFTA, TPP, and DR-CAFTA all have improved the economy with little downturn.

>I'd rather trust the guy with nearly 50 years of business and economic experience
Nice appeal to authority considering most of his money is loaned from his daddy and running a business isn't like running a country.

ty for calling me intellectual.


how nice of you

whatever you say Dad

Higher paid positions will have to take a cut to pay people more. You would think the execs would just pack up and leave, but there's a reason Trump is including reformations to NATO and NAFTA in his policy. Where would the execs go? To some place that doesn't have the US's military protection? To some place with sanctions or no guaranteed trade deal with the US? They'll have to pay either way.

And automation would ruin businesses, so that's not an argument; nobody would have money to buy the products they make unless they were dirt cheap. Also kills the business because now any company can hire the robotics engineers to do the same thing the companies do. After automation, suddenly companies like McDonald's are the middle man, because there's nothing stopping a grocery store from ordering a bunch of burger-o-matic 9000s and serving people from their own food stock. They'd probably be better burgers too.

you can create jobs, just not manufacturing jobs

What use is cheap shit if eventually no one has jobs left with which to purchase said cheap shit?

They are for the market, it is propably an externality though. Blame shareholders they usually are the ones that decide that.

literally wisdom of falcon.
Americans are spoiled to the core, as you said very accurately they should be happy with what they got, it will only get worse

On top of all the things I can say about American manufacturing, how looking my Grandpa's toolbox is like looking into an alternate universe where every tool inside it is made somewhere in America, with the state of Mfgr. stamped on it, or how heavy machinery made in the 40's, 50's, or 60's lasts forever and is still in use today--I think you should recognize that America also subsidizes the outsourcing of it's manufacturing.

America provides free epacket shipping for China, as part of a trade deal.
You can order cheap chinese bullshit products from China and it will arrive with free (or low cost) American subsidized shipping (takes 30 days or so).

That is exactly the kind of shit we don't need, and I hope Donald Trump can negotiate a better fucking deal for America.

And how are they're economies doing? Not that great compared the US currently.

Finally someone with brains. People should look up what cheap tricks Ford used to block Tesla all the way to the market.

Because the distance between an average Ford car blacksmiths and Teslas programmers is so wide, they have no other options than playing dirty.

America needs to rise off the bottom of the OECD school performance list. But no corporation and surely not the elites will ever allow this to happen.

youtu.be/KhogWKlm-c0
>NAFTA was/is terrible
>giant sucking sound to the south (mexico)
>when will it equalize, "when our jobs go down from $15/hr to $6/hr and theirs come up from $1/hr to $6/hr, but you've "wrecked the country"

just think what america would be today if NAFTA never happened. TPP will do the exact same thing, until it equalizes chinese/american wages (from it's already equalized with mexico wage)