I think Donald Trump supporters need to rethink their strategy a bit when dealing with progressives...

I think Donald Trump supporters need to rethink their strategy a bit when dealing with progressives. What I notice is that Trump supporters will try to reason with their opponents, they'll try to give logical arguments and proof to back up their claims. Example:
>Donald Trump is racist!
>How is he racist? Throughout his entire life he was never accused of racism, it's just something his political opponents have been asserting. Securing the borders is not racist, it's a matter of self-preservation and national security. Just look at what's happening in Europe with mass Muslim immigration.
>Pff, see, you're proving my point. Told you you were a racist. Proved my point. You just hate Muslims. Thanks for proving my point.

This doesn't work on them. What you may not realize is that when you assume facts and logic will convince them, you are projecting. If someone came to you with a compelling argument against your own ideas, using logic and facts and evidence, you'd probably look into it more and reconsider your opinion. But they don't work that way.

Now look at the strategies they tend to use. They don't debate alone. They always come in packs. It's tribal / herd mentality. What we see as an ad populum fallacy, they take as a sign that they're winning the debate. They also use shame tactics, and they just mock you and name call, e.g. Carl the cuck: ARE YOU KIDDING ME? This is ad lapidem, but to progressives, it's a solid argument. (continued)

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youtube.com/watch?v=eGcAOJty-gM
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Again, keep in mind that they are projecting. They use these tactics because they believe them to be effective. So that's what works against them. Instead of wasting our time spoonfeeding these retards with facts and evidence that they need to be looking up themselves, we really just need to start shaming these people and making fun of them. Example:
>Donald Trump is racist!
>Rehashing this old boring bullshit again? Too stupid to come up with a better argument I guess.

No facts, no proof - Just like they do. This is what it takes to convince these people. Just start making fun of them, making them feel stupid, calling them names, etc. just like they try to do. And to the left, I just exposed how you can defeat us! All you have to do is provide solid arguments, backed up with proof and logic. That's all you have to do!

Yes, progressives use tactics meant not to convince, but to humiliate into silence. Hurting their feelings won't make them Trump supporters, though. Realistically, converting them to Trump is virtually impossible.

What you want to do is just hammer them with how corrupt Clinton is, her warmongering role in Libya and Syria.

If you're adventurous point out how Trump will break up the big banks and end the disastrous TPP, how he said OIF was a disgrace and a premise based on lies, and that he was progressive on everything before Clinton.

this doesn't work either. the ones you're describing are so completely fucked by years of brainwashing that it's not even worth trying to reason with them. you're better off just laying out the facts so the reasonable ones are able to find their own way and we can continue to segregate the insane ones

Good thread OP. I think when the libs are being like that you can safely call them assholes.
But shaming seems like a better tactic.

Remember: we stick to the truth though. The Left always makes up and fabricated lies and spin the truth to hurt Trump and Trump supporters. (Example: black leftfag going to Trumprally to pose with KKKoutfit) fuck these disgusting lie-tactics.

I say we don't story to the disgusting lying tactics of the left no matter what. Everything else is fair game to me

>It's tribal / herd mentality

They assume conservatives who have come alone are simply strays from a different herd. Specifically, this herd. The herd that says 'gas the kikes, race war now' and 'would you stone your daughter for racemixing or just kick her out of the house?'

Your challenge is to convince liberals that Donald's association with us is a coincidence.

Good thread.

Deserves a bump.

>we don't story to
We don't *resort* to

Lmao Trump supporters do the exact same

You're all literally EXACTLY the same

It's pitiful how little self-awareness you all have

> 1 side uses screaming shouting laughing obnoxious behavior to win arguments
>Other side stays calm and uses logic
>Exactly the same
Kys lefty. Men are talking here

Or path of least resistance: convince them to vote for Jill Stein.

On a related note: has anyone else noticed the media trying to get us to vote for Johnson lately?

This might help?
>votes cast in spite still count

but that's wrong

it's simply a reaction to them. they created the environment where debate and arguments are impossible. they deny science, statistics and argue with their feelings. this is what they are taught to do because they think it means winning arguments

>What you want to do is just hammer them with how corrupt Clinton is, her warmongering role in Libya and Syria.
This is a good point. I think we need to get as much anti-Hillary info out there as we can, because even if we can't get people to vote Trump, maybe some will just stay home instead of voting Hillary. But I wonder if they'd just do their typical crap against this as well.

But Trump supporters don't do this, all they can do is yell 'build le wall xddd' and when on the Internet, post even cringeier memes than the leftie cucks.

And just like when leftie cucks are butt blasted they call some one a right winger, when right wingers are butt blasted they call someone a leftie, as you just did.

Exactly the same. No awareness, whatsoever.

I can tell you this though; it's fucking hilarious for non-Americans to watch.

I think we should just kill them

Silent majority aren't like that

You just described a stereotype

what is wrong with this bitch? she looks like she has her teeth ground to points.

What the fuck does this even mean?

Are you aware that the OP is a stereotype against lefties as well?

This thread is to discuss how to debate people with these laughable debatestyles. You too can join in this discussion, just imagine debating your stereotypical wall screaming dude while the rest of us imagine debating psycho lefties screaming at volume 100℅

Now, how do you debate loonies like that?

(Again: This thread is made for this topic not your petty fights )

literally none of this is true

go back to where you came from, Ahmed.

I've 'joined in the discussion' more than you so far, imbecile.

>2 different groups of people, who operate on different mental levels, and have different ideals and different priorities, are somehow the same
K retard. No point in even wasting any time on you when you can't even vote anyway.

That was the laziest ad hominem I've ever seen

You not only lack self-awareness, you're also an idiot

>pretend to be neutral or even one of them
>convince them that Bernie got jobbed and they should sit out in protest
>"switch" your vote to Trump on Election Day last minute, of course

Technically nobody lied or died so Shillary approves

This is what I mean when I say 'no self-awareness' lmfao

Your entire post was an ad hom along with a huge strawman

you're the laziest faggot in this thread, typical.

>Now, how do you debate loonies like that?

we should have rehearse debates aka. roleplaying to refine those tactics. people here already do that, as in ironically post as SJWs, but for trolling, not for educational purposes.

i think its worth a try, and ive noticed what the OP posted too, there should be a strategy with clear goals while interacting with those individuals, to not waste efforts in the impossible (getting them to vote trump), but maybe confuse them, so to dilute their collective power.

It wasn't.

And I think you know deep down that it's true, given that you're just flinging my own comments back at me and not substituting anything original.

youtube.com/watch?v=eGcAOJty-gM

As much as Sup Forums hates Ben Shapiro for his anti-Trump rethotic I still think the guy is BASED as fuck on confronting the left and still is.

Above video is just one of his many videos. The guy is a good orator, give him that

The ones that follow that kind of thinking are far too gone to convince in the first place. It would literally take the entire entertainment industry and Jewgle switching sides to fix these people.

This user
is correct. We take the high road and eventually it will chip away piece by piece.

>everyone on the other side acts the same way, all memes are cringey, dude I'm a pretentious fence sitter everyone that has a political opinion uses the same arguments

You cannot be over the age of 15, just stop. You came in here to shitfling and make baseless claims with nothing to back it up. Get the fuck out of here.

Fighting and lulz and le ebin trolling goes to

You're right to a certain degree. But in reality it's about 5% of SJWs that are able to form some sort of argument that is at least grounded in the pursuit of logical thought, and 95% meme-following name callers.

On the right, it's about 15% that can form logical arguments and 85% that resort to meme-following and name calling.

You're right, maybe I should vote for Hillary instead and have her start WW3 just so you can smugly feel superior?

So far
I think doing what they do is the only effective thing
With a little twist of logic
Maybe roast them on place

I see what you did there

Didn't seem to work though, so OPs theory holds strong

You're right to a certain extent. At this point, Trump supporters don't need to necessarily convert democrats (with the DNC leaks coming out an such, the democratic party is really split enough/will be going forward as is), but now we just need to make sure the democrats don't go out and vote in November; demoralize the democrats and make them hate each other is the ultimate goal now.

One thing that stuck with me from the video here is Calling lefties out on their tactics and be harsh on how you do it:
>You say something like protect our borders with wall just like other countries have walls
>That's racist!
>Now this is where you can expose their shaming tactics so maybe you say "Why are you speaking for all colored people?" Or go a bit harsher: "why are you using the ruined lives of poor minorities for your own benefit? That's disgusting!!"
Something like that, expose while not being affraid to be harsh on these assholes, because anyone who calls you names (so also racist) without a reason is an asshole

This stuff might interest some of you and could become acually useful in the context of this thread.

It requires study and practice, but it works.

Bassically what you have there are two ways of communicating: meta model, for precise information gathering and deconstructing abstract beliefs (the more abstract they are, the more unquestioned they go), milton model is for inducing trance and creating new beliefs. They are useful in therapy/counseling, but they are equally effective for dealing with people.

Id think of hardcore libtards/SJW Hill shills as therapy resistant drug addicts: they dont want your advice, they dont want to change, they dont even want to hear you. So, you cant go to them with your sound reasonings and logic, because these people are in a different plane. You go to them being as ambiguous as you can, but with a clear goal: to make them DOUBT their actual state of mind (thay they dont need to hear you).

THEN, they can be more receptive to dialog, or, more erratic in their behavior, which will make the undecided ones go to the more solid base, aka. Trump.

>nobody lied or died
>Shillary approves
Pick one.

I don't know, I was chilling out with my Burn victim friend and he just said if Bernie loses he might vote for Trump, I'll just tell him about Hillary being an establishment whore some more, and he'll come around.