theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/01/eu-muammar-gaddafi-immigration he wasn't a nice person fighting immigration for Europe and he wasn't a prophet, he was using immigrants as blackmail towards Europe just wanted to make sure you know tho most of you won't listen
Frenchies fucked Europe, and USA gleefully helped them. Everybody knows that.
That and Arab Spring was a mistake. Muzzie want to be ruled by a Dictator, it's in their genes and faith.
Leo Butler
yeah but people here worship him and forget that he was literally blackmailing people to give him money or he will send refugees and when he got the money he started killing everyone
Elijah Moore
>that he was literally blackmailing people to give him money or he will send refugees and when he got the money he started killing everyone
Grayson Kelly
I don't get what you mean he started shooting people at the borber when he got the money
Lucas Lee
>Muzzie want to be ruled by a Dictator
> it's in their genes >and faith. I wonder if it's somehow due to genetics that the three significant monotheistic faiths which preach the existence of a universal dictator, came out of the middle east.
Carter Price
how many kids do you think gaddafi had? must be hundreds
Joshua Myers
He wasn't blackmail Europe, it's business holding the line of refugees, which costs him money that he spent unnecessarily. Rather he gave Europe a discount. These refugees will cost far more than 4 billion euros now.
Samuel Smith
I heard rumors some of them didn't even exist
Justin Kelly
>he was using immigrants as blackmail towards Europe He stopped immigrants at libyas southern border so that they couldn't continue by boat. That shit cost money and 4 billion eurobucks is easily worth it.
Joshua Reyes
>Sweden’s Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson on Wednesday (13 April) presented the centre-left government’s 2016 spring budget, which revealed that the Scandinavian country expects costs related to migration, such as providing accommodation and offering job training, will be close to 56 billion Swedish crowns (€6.1 billion) per year until 2020. euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/sweden-sees-costs-of-migration-crisis-almost-quadruple/
kek
Ethan Mitchell
you're making it seem like all immigrats and refugees in europe are coming from Libya
Ryan Richardson
I don't think you understand how the world works telling a country you won't bother checking your border unless they pay a ransom isn't really an act of friendliness all countries are supposed to have border checks
Gavin Russell
Lets say you're living in a bad neighborhood and you got hoodlums and dindus constantly sneaking up the road and stealing shit and raping everything that isn't burqa'd down.
Then the guy who lives on the outskirts of your neighborhood builds a little fence and patrols it daily. Crime goes down and everything is fine. Then when he wants money every one starts whining about how he's blackmailing.
Mason Sanders
that's not how countries work tho that's like saying I won't stop terror cells here unless you pay me money, why? because it costs money and manpower to fight terrorism
Isaac Smith
>I don't think you understand how the world works Its clearly you who doesn't understand. >telling a country you won't bother checking your border unless they pay a ransom isn't really an act of friendliness They where not coming to settle in Libya, they where coming to settle in Europe. He could let them through, he got no economic incentive for wasting that much money on border checks because hes state didn't give everyone welfare like Germany, Sweden, France etc.
Its entirely fair to get compensated for this.
>all countries are supposed to have border checks And yet they don't. How the fuck is Sweden getting all these rapefugees when every one is supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country they set their foot in?
Jack Morales
>How the fuck is Sweden getting all these rapefugees when every one is supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country they set their foot in? because EU has open borders >They where not coming to settle in Libya, they where coming to settle in Europe. okay terrorists are not coming to target Libya they are coming to target Europe we should let them right?
Henry Carter
>that's like saying I won't stop terror cells here unless you pay me money, why? because it costs money and manpower to fight terrorism No its not, there is no international law that you have to check your borders. You can just let them through and then the next country can check their borders if they want to.
Lincoln Hernandez
>because EU has open borders For EU citizens.
>okay terrorists are not coming to target Libya they are coming to target Europe >we should let them right? Not the same thing you
Carson Hernandez
Serious question, how did you find out about this website living in Libya?
Angel Gray
It's a trade deal, he does something EU wants and they pay him, this is the only way to be prosperous.
Joshua Hall
through friends and memes it's mentioned sometimes on arabic facebook too read my other responses in the thread
Carter Gomez
You are complaining gadaffi was for the interest of Libya over some retarded moral.
Levi Torres
>because EU has open borders no, it doesn't. Read up on Schengen regarding border-contrl and Dublin-II regarding asylum.
Joseph Butler
this should be your concern
1: Interest of Libya 2: family interest 3: your interest 4: arbitrary morals
Oliver Hill
where do you even categorize sending niggers on your coast in types of warfare
Jayden Reed
YOU HAD FREE AND EXCELLENT HEALTHCARE, FREE EDUCATION, AND HIGH LIVING STANDARDS, THE HIGHEST IN AFRICA. YOU SHOULD BE THANKING THAT MAN, BUT NO, YOU OVERTHREW HIM AND PUT IN ISIS AND THE MUDSLIME BROHOOD INSTEAD. GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU RAT.
David Phillips
if he was in the interest of Libya he wouldn't have taken down a ceremonial monarchy and replaced it with his communist crap and destroyed our country Libya used to be like Japan before him he was just a retard that wanted power and to fuck with people he hated (Europeans) Libya really didn't need those 4b as we had tons of oil he was just doing it for his faggy ideology I can continue about how Libya was prosperous before he fucked up our relations internationally and made us a terror supporting nation knowing Sup Forums you will most likely respond BUT LIBYA IS SHIT WITHOUT HIM! HES THE BEST! and if you do this i'm not gonna bother responding to be honest
Colton Price
lmfao do any of you even bother actually checking facts rather than read the green book? yeah we're doing better than the rest of africa cuz of the oil fields that gaddafi didn't even build now think for a second if a mentally stable person controlled libya what we could have achieved
Gavin Ramirez
He died and the refugees got sent anyways, what the fuck?
Nolan Rivera
Remember reading a post from a Libyan during the war. She seemed like a socialist and thought Libya should be a first world country, and it wasn't because Gaddafi stole all the money from the Libyan people. Basically Libyans rekt themselves with a huge gibs me dat chimpout kek
>Libyan complaining about Gaddafi You must be one of those goatfuckers that lived in the middle of nowhere before the "democratizations" or an ISIS figter, or both.
Eli Garcia
>need that's your problem, progression knows no "need", every single dollar obtained is worth it.
Ian King
Preach it brother > this
Cooper Williams
naturally refugees will use the chaos to slip through there weren't refugees under king idris we all thought that and were naive and forgot that change doesn't happen in a day
Owen Sanders
As opposed to what we have now? Get real.
Jeremiah Williams
I lived in Benghazi my whole life took part in 2011 protests and later took part in the attack benghazi did on the islamists who tried to take over in 2014
Joseph Wood
times change and you will see no revolution suddenly turned a country into first world same as gaddafi taking a while before he fucked up libya's international reputation well if the money was coming to us it would have been better but all that money went to his parties and education for his children and funding terrorism
William Richardson
It would have been easier for everyone if EU just payed him. Are you saying you wish your country did not receive the money?
Levi Thomas
I was saying it would have been easier if we didn't have to go through the past 42 years and just stayed without him and im saying that fucking up our international reputation isn't a good idea either
Wyatt Hill
>muzzie-country >changing >ever lel there's a reason why every muzzie-country in the world is pretty much the same shithole
Wyatt Ross
also EU did pay him btw Libyans later revolted cuz it was 90% north korea tier and cuz everyone hated him internationally all countries jumped to the support of the rebels just like how the whole world would support a rebellion in north korea
John Taylor
Why did your shithole of a country murder 4 of our troops?
Don't you guys realize if you would just COOPERATE with us things would go over alot smoother.
The more you refuse to swallow your pride, the more death and destruction and instability will follow.
Asher Hughes
>Why did your shithole of a country murder 4 of our troops? excuse me we have no control over terrorists it took a while for the Libyans to arrive and when they did they got Stevens out and took him to a hospital but he died there because of how shit our hospitals are >Don't you guys realize if you would just COOPERATE with us things would go over alot smoother. I don't get what you mean, is our government fucking with USA now or something? >The more you refuse to swallow your pride, the more death and destruction and instability will follow. I kinda agree with this
Isaiah Peterson
It is not like north korea at all. North Korean dictatorship is much worse. Also, north korean rebels (if there were any, lol) would not be fucked up islamists.
Gaddafi was evil but he was the lesser of two evils, just like Saddam and many other middle eastern dictators.
Noah Sanders
>How the fuck is Sweden getting all these rapefugees when every one is supposed to apply for asylum in the first EU country they set their foot in?
because EU laws mean shit and nobody can enforce them. >eu "human rights" garbage forces italy to 'rescue' migrants from the open sea and take them into their land >brussels migration law says they have to keep them all in italy, essentially forever
of course italy sends them off to the north. its the easiest way for them. EU officials are completely unwilling to enforce their laws, so only dumb cucks abide by these laws. see: germany trying hard to convince spain and greece to adhere to EU budget laws, yet france openly violates the same EU budget laws all the time and nothing ever happens to them.
in the EU there is no such thing as rule of law. in europe, laws are for the suckers who think they mean something, the powerful just openly ignore the laws.
Nolan Diaz
>there is no such thing as rule of law. in europe, laws are for the suckers who think they mean something, the powerful just openly ignore the laws.
International Law in a nutshell.
Oliver Gray
>would not be fucked up islamists. we were not islamists mate however we werent secularists we were mostly split but united by the fact that we don't want a dictatorship which is why stuff turned to shit after Gaddafi was taken down cuz both sides fought for the country both claim they are with democracy and the others are a dictator..
Michael Hughes
i dont know much about the situation. can you explain the different sides that are fighting for control in libya? and which side are you on?
he resigned as he promised when gaddafi died and left the stuff up for democracy sadly democracy without a united army to protect it will fail pic related our parlimant we elected in 2012 yellow are secularists and blue are brotherhood islamists islamists lose and go butthurt and wanta to take over by force thust the civil war starts
Cooper Torres
>and when he got the money he started killing everyone
I don't see a problem with this.
Joshua Phillips
well till the unity government came in tripoli it was secularists vs islamists now both sides are secularists but the fight is more for power than anything thankfully the fight is political between the east and west and it seems the unity government will win when it was islamists x secularists i was with the secularists
Matthew Torres
Do you think defending the borders of Europe is free? He was a nice person fighting for Libya and helping Europe out for a modest fee.
Lincoln Butler
>thankfully the fight is political between the east and west as in not fighting with bullets both sides are only shooting bullets at ISIS right now
Chase Anderson
>fighting for Libya lol
Jackson Evans
>has leverage >use leverage
>literally hitler
mhkay
Ayden Green
>200 seats in parliament >120 idependents
wew i guess that's what happens when there is no political establishment at all
Lucas Williams
>be erdogan >infiltrate millions of muslims mostly uneducated useless men into europe >request billions of euros from eu to make it stop >profit >allahu akbar you infidel fools
Benjamin Morgan
oh that was a law because most people didn't want a party to have too much power the "independents" were more or less following a party in secret but you are right there is no political establishment at all in Libya esp after 42 years of not knowing even what the word "liberalism" or "democracy" are
Alexander Miller
Very interesting, continue this thread.
Charles Moore
Eternal lies of the eternal anglo kikes
Only reason why Ghadaffi was targetted was because he wanted to unify afrikan economy by creating a solid gold currency
This in turn would force yurope and US to trade in solid gold, and not worthless fiat kike paper.
of course this would wreck the strangle hold kike banks have over yurope
Ghaddafi was threatening the kike power structure.
assassination is always what happens to anyone that does so.
it sounds like crazy memes, but it's the truth. sarkozy wanted to protect the franc as the prime currency in west africa.
Wyatt Nelson
I don't care about that to be honest but the retardation that "western made terrorists" crap is stupid because I was there in 2011 and we took control of half of Libya before anyone in the world knew what was going on and to this day we never received a single weapon or bullet from anyone I am aware that the countries that helped us weren't doing it out of good intentions they had something to gain from it in USA's case a puppet of Russia was taken down also I don't know how valid those emails are as I read some stupid stuff in them like saif wanting to turn Libya into a democracy while he literally only made a rant about democracy once and how Libya has none of it and that's it we all expected saif to take our side in 2011 and he surprised everyone by the threats he made that he will kill us all but yeah I'm pretty sure France only supported us because they wanted Gaddafi out...which isn't different every country in the world wanted him out
Bentley Parker
>infidel fool I like the way that rolls off the tongue. Good wordsmithing
Kayden Gonzalez
you are correct. i posted the link just to show that the pole wasn't just a crazy lunatic.
also youre right to not trust the media reports on this. western media just doesnt report on it at all, and 'alterniative' media is usually the same as western media, they just replace the strong pro-west bias with their own strong anti-west bias. cant trust either, the only good they do is provide the source to their information, so we can check that out and see if it's valid.
Henry Gray
I'm surprised to find someone like you on Sup Forums to be honest
Daniel Lee
btw the reason I laughed at the pole is because of this:
>Ghaddafi was threatening the kike power structure.
>assassination is always what happens to anyone that does so.
Thomas Green
I'm surprised to see anyone from Libya on Sup Forums. This country doesn't even exist now lel
Easton Kelly
I'm surprised to find an Egyptian without liver disease healthcare doesn't even exist there lel also how can you afford internet ya fawal?
Julian Phillips
mashy ya 3ars lel
Carter Thompson
ta7ya masr
Adrian Clark
aywa kda :'D
Ryder Morris
why? did you think everybody is just here to post happy merchants and trump memes? lel
mubarak morsi al sisi
which one is best? which one is worst? which one is a cuck?
Nathaniel Rivera
>why? did you think everybody is just here to post happy merchants and trump memes? lel well from experience here 90% of the people that reply to me are conspiracy theorist and I even was called a jew and a shill because I said I don't like Gaddafi >mubarak morsi al sisi 2bh morsi was the best his political party aside as a person he was better than the other 2, don't fully support him but hes better than the other 2 al sisi is a cuck tho giving land to saudis and shit
Josiah Cruz
mubarak - low energy sane dictator, not the evil one like ghaddafi, assad or erdogan
morsi - low iq islamist, but make no mistake he is dangerous as any islamist you can find. Only good when dead.
sisi - courageous, patriotic yet dictator and still doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to economy. We have economic crisis since 2011 because of the revolutions and terrorist attacks. but definitely not cuck.
Kayden Jackson
>definitely not cuck didn't he give land to Saudia and stuff? also he gave a salute to hafter LIBYAN'D
Logan Parker
>We have economic crisis since 2011 because of the revolutions and terrorist attacks
does 'economic crisis' in egypt just mean "no more tourist money" or did sisi enact policies that fucked shit up?
Logan Gomez
Egypt has always been in an economic crisis
Dominic Lewis
Met a family from Tripoli, they said Gaddafi was cool as shit. Cheap gasoline, lots of benefits if you made more than 3 children, low taxes and if you wanted to be a farmer he would front the money for buying the land (cheap) and the necessary tools.
The general idea i'm getting is that the daddy issues instilled from young age by islam naturally evolves into muslims being unable to regularly function without a brutal dictatorships and without a genocide here and here. Like a 5$ mentally ill whore that starts throwing tantrums if her pimp doesn't regularly beat her and spit on her face
Alexander Morales
the two islands is controversial shit here. But still can't believe he did it for the money. There must have been some lawful basis to be saudi. But it was in the end very stupid of him to do it anyway.
Brody Wood
Yeah it pretty much comes down to that. We are unfortunately depending heavily on tourism and golf countries investments.
Lucas Evans
>lots of benefits if you made more than 3 children, low taxes and if you wanted to be a farmer he would front the money for buying the land (cheap) and the necessary tools. he spat that crap and never did any of it yeah we had cheap gas as if that's a good idea? >mfw to this day people think we got 7k a month for having more than 3 children as to your second line it's your opinion, I believe we are human too mate and not slaves
Juan Baker
shit sucks and i dont think there will be a solution to that in a long time. if you go without any terror related incidents for some years, and your government gets a reputation for stability and order, then people will lose fear. but that can take a long long time.
Brayden Butler
>7k a month Never said that. And of course you are human beings, but you keep acting like slaves craving the stick here and here. Large communities of muslims very rarely function peacefully together without dictators. Look at Iraq, Syria, look at Afghanistan, look at so many more muslim countries.
The moment the big daddy gets removed from power, you start acting like savages
Dominic Nelson
>We would be an amazing country if we only had a stable government infrastructure and an informed populace capable of maintaining it
Yeah that's all, no big deal.
David Jackson
>Fuck up his own country >Proud of it NLA please fuck off
Cooper Johnson
what the hell kind of downy-ebonics grammar is that supposed be in that caption?
Gavin Rodriguez
>but you keep acting like slaves craving the stick here and here. this is true and it's sickening me our problem is when we get treated like shit by our next oppressors we miss our older ones but anyways times change and atleast in Libya most people aren't willing to waste the lives lost in 2011 in vain and won't accept a dictator anymore as evident by the second civil war everyone is calling the other dictator and claiming to represent democracy as I said times will change
Jaxon Jackson
proxyfag stop rp fgt
Charles Edwards
Your pic is bullshit and so is your post. Tell me the literacy rates, life expectancy, GDP, human development index, average education level, and home ownership of Libya during King Idris time and at the moment before the USA killed Gaddafi.
Negro Africans = Libya's Mexicans during the prosperous Gaddafi years. Libya was a sponge for African migrant laborers and a buffer for Europe.
You're full of shit and you should consider fucking your own anus with a serrated bread knife.
Caleb Long
okay
Michael Thomas
>He died and the refugees got sent anyways, what the fuck?