Kill Six Billion Demons

>O awful Rider of the night/ who shall not stray when led by day/ He that striketh down each man/ or beast or God that bars his way

“May God drag down the lids of those that watch the sleepers, and may their rest be unperturbed.”
-Prayer to Incubus

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Huh, that prayer. I wonder if Incubus is a nihilist?

Juggernaut what the hell do you think you're doing?

Releasing White Chain from hibernation by the looks of things.

I feel real sorry for the guy who just got the top of his skull lopped off. That's a slow death.

His landing wouldn't look out of place in a DMC or Bayonetta game.

>Teenage Allison is about to get rescued by a wicked angel riding a skeletobike, and an effeminate angel with strong morals
Yes. More anime

Especially since Dante had a 'vehicle' weapon in DMC4. Hope he gets something similar in the next DMC game. Like a motorcycle.

I still don't know what Abaddon meant by "woe be he who mistakes the rider for the steed."

When does funding for K6BD cartoon start? I have income to expend.

He's probably fine.

Now that's what you call sticking the landing, eh?

Perhaps Juggernaut is possessing both the armor AND the bike? So even if the armor is destroyed, he can still act through the bike? It could be similar to how humans can get hollowed out and filled with a demon's essence. Perhaps that's why Juggernaut brings along those shades (sinners) with him? Back-ups.

Ain't no party like a Juggernaut party cause the Juggernaut party DON'T STOP

I assume all the demiurges would be in some respect

YES

I CAN FINALLY STOP BITCHING ABOUT A LACK OF SUPERNATURAL KUNGFU ACTION

THANK YOU LOGARIUS WHEEL SKELETON MAN

You don't have enough

Also by accepting Juggernaut's offer wasn't White chain suppose to get fancy new armor?

She refused and ran away. Then Michael came and told her to cooperate.

Jagganoth certainly is, what with his destroy everything plan he wants to enact.

Right,but I thought she'd get the body anyway.

I guess I was wrong. Just seems a bit off that she accepted anyway but it didn't happen.

>Jagganoth certainly is, what with his destroy everything plan he wants to enact.
Nah, man. To be a nihilist means that one doesn't see any purpose in life as well as the rejection of religious principles.

Jagganoth certainly has a purpose in life. And he certainly believes in the divinity of his mission.

That definitely clipped his brain

It can mean many things and usually is used as an escape. There is essentially no meaning in anything so one is able to freely chose what is important to them totally unfettered. A lot of the demiurges seem to carry this mentality though that is just one portion of it.

Maybe when she comes back into the body it will change to her new Thorn form. Their armor is a little malleable and she has shown changing from casual mode to battle mode which changes its appearance so that will probably happen.

>Maybe when she comes back into the body it will change to her new Thorn form. Their armor is a little malleable and she has shown changing from casual mode to battle mode which changes its appearance so that will probably happen.
I don't think the transformation is THAT dramatic, user.

Because she wasn't a thorn then. Delicious used to have a regular body as well but fucked it up being as unangelic as possible to the state we saw. These shells are very malleable.

No, Delicious' body was damaged from lying. The shape was weathered, cracked, and colored by her fire.

There's no basis in what you're saying. What proof do you have that the general shape of her armor changed all that much? Why do you think White Chain's armor could suddenly turn silver and grow spikes all over? At most, from what we've seen, the armor's parts can simply move. White Chain's helmet expanding into a pseudo-halo is like an action figure with movable parts.

NO! Not the not smug guards.
What did they do to derserve such a fate?

>What proof do you have that the general shape of her armor changed all that much?
Because it clearly did?
>Why do you think White Chain's armor could suddenly turn silver and grow spikes all over?
Because White Chain's battle mode armor turns dark blue in places where it wasn't and grows a halo and pronounced chest plate?
>White Chain's helmet expanding into a pseudo-halo is like an action figure with movable parts.
It very clearly expands from nothing.

more skulls for the skull wheel

Let's keep this thread up so morning people can see it

RIP dat blue ass.

but I wanted more cute lolison doing cute loli things with lolimotom

All in good time, user. All in good time.

Anyone got the newest version of the RPG? It looked interesting and I wonder if it changed in any meaningful way/anything cool got added.

PATRAM SWORD HAND

Abbadon mentioned that he'll probably have a book out from Image by the end oft his year. Nothing concrete or official yet though.

>HRRN

indeed.

Juggernaut is more powerful than I had realised. I considered Juggs and even Metatron to be below the Demiurges in the power they could bring to bear. But if Juggs feels up to fucking with Mottom directly he's probably stronger than I had considered.

Mottom seems to fight with witchery rather than psycho kung fu so this could be fun if they come into direct opposition.

Angels don't have access to the Art, but they're apparently monsters at combat and their bodies incredibly tough. And Juggernaut, being igneous, is probably rather tough. Especially since he's only incarnated 6 times.

It's hard to say whether he could be a match for a single Demiurge. I could see the reason why the Concordance holds back from trying to take down one Demiurge being the fact that it would cause the remainder to band against them and crush their forces.

aka NANTO SEIKEN

What happend to bug girl servant?

Waifu waiting room.

>TFW no White Chain and Delicious vs 6jugg battle royal

I don't want to hurt your feelings, user, but right now he would destroy them.

Probably got made into fruit.

>this is the second time that White Chain's immobile stone body has been crashed into a battle from the air

No, not likely. Succubus/Incubus are known as dream demons, invading the minds of people who sleep. When talking about sleepers I think they are literal here.

You'll get badass loli vs angel battles and you'll like it

The average angel is just a cop and not very strong. White chain has died 81 times. However Juggernaut has only died 6.

The number don't say everything. Juggernaut has only died 6 times but he's an igneus angel, which means it's been much less time since his last reincarnation compared to White chains.

You can have a small number just by chilling into the void contemplating existence. You can have a huge number just because you continue to put yourself in the frontline of battle.

Also Abbadon said that even the least powerful angels are incredibly badass. An angel is, I quote "a fired stone or metal shell protecting a controlled nuclear explosion skilled in millenia old martial arts."

The problem of most angels is both inaction and the fact that while they have a very high baseline (white chains and Delicious were slaughteing people left and right only with their stray shots, and Cio said that you need an angel to beat an angel) they usually don't have the drive and potential to allow them to become incredibly powerful individuals.

So while an average angel shit all over an average everything else an exceptional human shit all over exceptional angels, as we have seen with Koss.

>and not very strong
Quite the opposite, actually. Angels are the most lethal fighters in Throne. The reason for why White Chain has had to incarnate so many times is probably because of her desire to do good, which tends to pit one against unfavorable odds. There's a reason why White Chain is known as a "mad dog" by the guilds (who've been described as pretty much being criminal syndicates).

That said, the less times an angel has died is certainly an indicator of how strong the angel is. I mean, some may simply be spending their time wiling away the eons in the Void, but for the Thorns who are dedicated to destroying the "unlawful" in Throne, Juggernaut has certainly engaged in a lot of bloodshed as the leader.

And by "die", that's mostly referring to the "death" of their physical shells. If their souls are also killed, it'd take a long time before they ever came back. Just thought I'd restate this, in case anyone gets confused. The number at the start of their name, rather than being a counter for the number of times an angel has died, is supposed to signify how many times they've incarnated into the physical world.

>which means it's been much less time since his last reincarnation compared to White chains.
It's the opposite, isn't it? Vapor is the shortest, followed by Liquid, then Igneous. I forgot what came after Igneous, though. Ashen? It's whatever Michael and Metatron are, anyway.

Yes on the angels lack of a 'drive'. They were made "incapable" of achieving royalty (in that they think they can't achieve it).

>The number at the start of their name, rather than being a counter for the number of times an angel has died, is supposed to signify how many times they've incarnated into the physical world.

The number is the times an angel soul "died" and reincarnated, not the time an Angel exited the void and incarnated into a suit of armor.

That's what I meant?
>And by "die", that's mostly referring to the "death" of their physical shells.
>The number at the start of their name . . . is supposed to signify how many times they've incarnated into the physical world.

I shouldn't have said "not very strong". I meant comparatively on the large scale with demiurges. An angel is stronger than most people or servants in throne but can't hold a candle to a god level of power.

>rather than being a counter for the number of times an angel has died, is supposed to signify how many times they've incarnated into the physical world.
You mean being forced to go into stone form and resurrect right? If their stone souls are killed in the void after a "death" then they will truly die forever.

Crystal which Micheal is, and Neutron which Metatron is.

>It's the opposite, isn't it? Vapor is the shortest, followed by Liquid, then Igneous.

Oh, yeah, you are right.

>It’s Plasma > Vapor > Liquid > Solid (Metamorphic, Igneous) > Crystal> Neutron as I have it right now, in order of youngest to oldest.


Ok, my bad. It was confusing because the void is by definition not physical, so being incarnated in the physical world would mean when they enter their armors.

>Crystal which Micheal is, and Neutron which Metatron is.
>It’s Plasma > Vapor > Liquid > Solid (Metamorphic, Igneous) > Crystal> Neutron as I have it right now, in order of youngest to oldest.
Oh right, thanks guys.

I'm guessing the difference between Metamorphic and Igneous is that the Igneous angels are the violent Thorns while the Metamorphic angels are what the Root Knights would be, if any are current at their Solid states?

>If their stone souls are killed in the void after a "death" then they will truly die forever.
Well, they don't really "die" either. They're truly immortal, unlike the Servants who only live until they are killed and have their flame return to the source. The fire of the Angels' souls remain with them and revive after a time. It's just that Angels don't come back the same after reviving from their souls' "death".

That's how I understand it anyway. I believe Abbadon made that difference in distinction between Angels and Servants, right?

Yeah. The souls of angels and devils are undying, while the ones of Servants and human fade with time.

Angel and Devils still suffer from personality death after reincarnating.

Oh my.

I will miss White Chain's spirit form, so terrifying, but I cannot wait to see what her shell becomes.

I don't think anything will change except for the color of her flame.

The existing thorns, Juggs excepted, are faceless, fiery and spiky even in the Void.

To be honest that seems more fitting but if there's going to be any reference to geology here I would assume the Igneous angels are the 'base' and the metamorphic angels are the Thorns, because they have gone through a change.

But I don't think the age of an angel's form has anyone to do with them joining the Thorns or not.

All angels are inherently highly skilled and dangerous, but it's equally clear 6 Juggernaut Star Scours the Universe has a low number because he's an insane fucking badass.

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THE WHEEL
kos

JSA?

I also very strongly suspect that White Chain is going to have a self-designed form by the end of this thing.

Wait, so what you are suggesting is that the more an angel dies, the weaker it becomes? I'm confused. Are there any systems outlined by Abbadon that determine an angel's strength?

Huh? You're talking about the shell. The shell is unaffected by the spirit of the angel. The only parts that change will be the small bits of the angel that project outside of the body, like fire or Juggernaut's halo.

i think user means if an angel is inherently strong, he's less likely to die as often. Since you know, he can just punch his way out of every life threatening situation.

>All angels are inherently highly skilled and dangerous, but it's equally clear 6 Juggernaut Star Scours the Universe has a low number because he's an insane fucking badass.
Also, as I recall, the older an angel becomes, the more powerful they are. So that would definitely contribute to his low number.

Fun things to consider:
>do angels automatically know martial arts and if so what determines that
>what kind of martial arts did the primes know

correlation goes the other way m8. the stronger the angel, the less he's beaten

No, I don't think the angel becomes weaker from their physical shell being destroyed, but from having their soul in the void killed. If my memory serves me right, the angel becomes stronger the older and more solidified their souls become. From plasma to vapor to liquid, to solid to crystal and finally neutron. I don't think their progress resets unless their souls are what's destroyed.

>karate kid
>featuring 82 white chain as daniel and 2 michael as mr. miyagi

Michael is White Chain's teacher. And if the Law doesn't already include knowledge on how to kick ass, it might at least lend the angels a sense for the arts of badassery.

Yes like the primes that just don't want to reincarnate again so they get smacked again.
A low number means nothing. We always need context

that makes more sense, thanks guys

I do want to see 2 Michael tear shit up at some point. I guess what I'm really interested in whether there's some underlying pattern or structure under their design.

Example: White Chain and Juggernaut Star definitely know different martial arts. White Chain and Delicious is a more difficult call, but their specialties are definitely different. Were they born with these skills?

There are other questions angels pose in terms of subcategories, instead of as a general type. There are (obviously biblically-inspired) animalian angels and there are more humanoid ones. The thorns are much less organic looking in spirit than other angels. Obviously the Thorns are distinct, spiritually and as an organization, from the other angels. But I wonder if the animal-bodied angels have some underlying reason as well? I think that given the uniformity of the Thorns, and the fact 2 Michael is essentially a Thorn but void-wise does not appear like one, there may well be an actual alchemical-type change to go through to join them.

>A low number means nothing. We always need context
A low number means 2 things, user. That's more than nothing. It can mean that the angel is hardly involved with the matters of the physical world, in which case they don't have enough opportunities to die. The other thing it can mean is that they ARE involved with the world and that they are very good at not dying.

Remember that the numbering doesn't ever restart and it counts the number of their incarnations from the very beginning of all creation. So their first deaths came at Zoss' hands and any further came from the time when they served the Demiurges as the police force of Throne and, later, whatever happened during the war between the Demiurges and its aftermath.

The number means a lot.

>Yes like the primes that just don't want to reincarnate again so they get smacked again.
They don't choose when to reincarnate again. They were killed. It takes time for them to get back to life. It's going to be the same with Delicious, who's going to be dead for a long, long time before she returns to life.

>Remember that the numbering doesn't ever restart and it counts the number of their incarnations from the very beginning of all creation. So their first deaths came at Zoss' hands and any further came from the time when they served the Demiurges as the police force of Throne and, later, whatever happened during the war between the Demiurges and its aftermath.
On this point, bear in mind not all angels were born at that point. Michael and Metatron are the only Primes we know of who are still around.

I imagine they all know all the martial arts, but have different specialties or preferences. White chain's style is heavily dependent on the Prayer, which delicious thought was quaint

Speaking of which, where did the new angels even come from?

Or they hang around in the physical world alot but close their eyes as soon as aguild is involved

There are Root Knights and Thorn Knights. And there are fewer and fewer Root Knights as time passes. Root Knights protect the innocent. Thorn Knights destroy evil. And they are quite fanatic about it.

>I imagine they all know all the martial arts, but have different specialties or preferences.
I disagree! We haven't seen them switch up yet, so for now I'm taking them to have what they're shown with.

>White chain's style is heavily dependent on the Prayer, which delicious thought was quaint
Rather, I think White Chain still says the prayer like a good little boy or not. It's ritual, not essential. White Chain's style seems to be based on rapid sequences of blows - sometimes with body parts as small as her finger - and a distant, kind of mystical, projection of force. Delicious' style was more cutting and s/he chose to use needles as a weapon - it might have been a less practised form of Patram Sword Hand than Juggernaut Star, or it might have been the same style as White Chain, or something totally different. Juggernaut Star obviously uses his Hokuto no Ken my-hands-will-cut-through-anything shit and he also had a weapon - but it's more of an execution object - and additionally he is extremely fucking fast even beyond normal angel speeds.

It's fun to think about and I wonder if they train, learn in these things or if it's built into them just like the law is.

IMO, the White Flame just as devils come from the Black. And with armor instead of masks.

These are also Petals, who reject either path.

The Petals are cruel mercenaries who enjoy bloodshed. They revel in the current state of the world.

>IMO, the White Flame just as devils come from the Black. And with armor instead of masks.
the angels were first created by YISUN, then they were banished from Form by man, who then promptly went back and forged new armor for them.
Demons encroach from the void constantly and are masked by man, as opposed to the Law of Conservation of Angels

>The Petals are cruel mercenaries who enjoy bloodshed.
Do we know that universally? If all Petals are like that then there is probably a fourth option as-yet-unseen too.

Well, Michael is the only prime angel to have returned. The others are still in hibernation (or crippled, in Metatron's case).

Which means that all the other angels are not "primes" themselves and came afterward. I suppose they could have arrived closer to Throne (in its shadow within the void) from the depths of the void after being "called" out to somehow.

That's what Abbadon said.

In any case, Petals are all mercenaries and hated by Root and Thorn Knights. Delicious pretty much fit the description given, in that she loved fighting, did not care about the suffering of the innocent, and worked as a mercenary.

>the angels were first created by YISUN
Everything was. But the forge god Koss (who is also YISUN) created most of the Inheritors.

Koss created the Servants and Protectors from the White Flame. He threw the Black Flame into the Void where it gave rise to the Destroyers.

>That's what Abbadon said.
Can you link? I thought Petal was 'I am not choosing one of your two paths' which means while most might be violent mercenaries who revel in chaos not all necessarily are.

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>'I am not choosing one of your two paths'
I don't think that was stated. Are you sure you didn't just get that idea from sympathizing with Delicious?

Yeah? There's no doubt Delicious is a wicked sort and the stereotypical Petal. But if the three orders are absolute, given we know angels have the capacity for change, it seems likely there's still room for a follower of none of them.

Why would police the Petals? Who would rule them? They're the anarchist angels. I'm not disputing your general assessment of them is correct, but I don't think it's an absolute. It couldn't be.

Leaf knights when?

>next DMC game
you're optimistic

Why pigeon-hole all the angels who don't follow the Paths of Roots or Thorns as Petal Knights, user? I don't follow your logic here.

There was an apparent slip-up with one of the previous voice actors for the original DMC series talking about how excited he was to do more DMC stuff before he realized that he mentioned something he shouldn't have in an interview.

Can angels be a part of the other knightly orders? Belligerent, Mendicant and Peregrine and whatnot?

I'm just wondering if you can define them as that or not. I'm not insisting on it.