>socialism

If you took all the money the richest 62 people on planet earth have and spread it out equally among all 7 billion people on this planet, each person on earth would have $500 dollars.

Wow 500 bucks, damn brah, what a good idea. Spread that wealth, I could buy an xbox or a used 90s civic or something that needs a new transmission.

Or, if I lived in a third world shithole I would be able to eat and survive for 6 months or so. WOW a whole 6 months.

Why aren't we doing this?
Why does Elon Musk need all that money. Fuck him.

Inequality is totally a gigantic pressing issue of our time. All of those protesters burning down cities REALLY MAKE YOU THINK. Amirite?

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>exclude nigs
Wow $1000 dollars

I could get a old civic with a GOOD transmission.

Seems good to me

I know right, fuck the economy I don't care if factories close down, fuck Tesla.

I want my used Civic

Most "socialist" countries that have existed operated on the basis of either Marxist-Leninism or Maoism. These two ideologies are more akin to industrial serfdom with secular religion justifying it than "new concepts for how to improve the peoples' lives". Instead of Royalty and the Boyars, you had the Nomenklatura, and instead of serfs being tied to the Boyars' fields, you had serfs-in-anything-but-name working for the nomenklatura in factories. It's not surprising that once these nations transitioned to capitalism, the party members became oligarchs.

Market socialism is possible, but unlikely given the radical and violent proclivity of most socialists.

Actually with the simultaneous redistribution of wealth from the ultra wealthy, those places of industry wouldn't just vanish. The people who work for those companies could start co-ops.

ah yes, because 'socialists' only have a problem with the 62 richest individuals

not the top .1% or 1% or whatever, let alone all the corporations that are the actual wealthiest entities, nope just the top 62 billionaires


god you're more fucking stupid than the 'socialists'


also socialism is just state owned/controlled industry/production, wealth redistribution comes in zillions of forms, has existed long before modern socialism became an idea, and a socialist state need not inherently redistribute wealth

>62
Try richest 32 million.

>The people who work for those companies could start co-ops.
Sure they could.
They would either be in the same exact position they are in now, now with much less money, or they would be worse off because the co-ops were less efficient.

>not the top .1% or 1% or whatever,
Top 62 basically is the top .1%.

Even if you take from the top 1% you're only going to get like 5000-10000 dollars for everyone in the world. That couldn't sustain anyone in the western world for more than 8 months.

And BOY if you took from the top 1% of the ENTIRE world. That's 70 million people. Those companies are basically the ENTIRE economy of 90% of the world.

Get cucked.

That's still not that much money.
and the resulting economic destruction would completely destroy the global economy

in the US alone the top .1% would be over 300,000 people, not 62

try again

Or you could stop being a lazy fuck and earn money got yourself instead of stealing other peoples. You're worse than a nigger.

What destruction? You mean the uber luxury goods markets? My tears flow for the market of the 7+ digit housing, yachts and private jets.

All that wealth is just SITTING there, instead of being invested and actually DOING stuff. Noblesse oblige is dead, and capitalism killed it. A rich person won't fart without seeing a return on their investment.

They don't fund movies, or video games or science labs. They just run "charities" and buy shit paintings which are 1 part tax evasion, 1 part ego stroking.

The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is the NATURAL STATE OF THINGS. Self-made billionare is not even a thing anymore, most rich shits inherited it. You might as well put the government at the top, since it has at least SOME motivation to push money back into the system.

>get cucked

Says the guy literally advocating for the wealthy.

>or they would be worse off because the co-ops were less efficient.

Prove it. It is a reasonable assumption that anyone who has a legitimate stake in a company would be willing to work harder because their hard work actually means something for a change.

>They would either be in the same exact position they are in now, now with much less money,

What are you even talking about? There is no reason to believe any of that shit you just said. The market for their goods/services would still be exactly the same. In fact with the redistribution of wealth, in the short and medium term their businesses would thrive beyond anything that is happening now.

>And BOY if you took from the top 1% of the ENTIRE world. That's 70 million people. Those companies are basically the ENTIRE economy of 90% of the world.

Like I keep saying. All the information of the businesses would still be there. All the infrastructure, all the workers, all the contacts, all the export data, all the...everything would still be there. Except the so called "owner" who sits back and in most cases doesn't actually contribute to the fucking business.

>wealth is just SITTING there, instead of being invested and actually DOING stuff
You don't understand monetary theory, do you? The representation of value isn't value itself. All wealth is more or less invested somewhere, it's the allocation that would be different.

>All wealth is more or less invested somewhere

globalresearch.ca/trillions-stashed-in-offshore-tax-havens/32485

>A new Tax Justice Network (TJN) USA report reveals an estimated $21 – $32 trillion of hidden and stolen wealth stashed largely tax-free secretly.

It's still not that much money.

>not understanding the joke

Shelter is a basic human need, and it has no business being a growth, investment or speculative market. Every housing market is a bubble, and eventually every bubble will burst. And that's just wealth misallocation on the legit level, nevermind offshore accounts.

Nice sauce for math you did

It's not "stashed", it's invested in hidden accounts and the banks are lending it back out to be used elsewhere. If it was just "stashed" there, then we can be glad that they're increasing the value of our cash as they leave so much out of circulation.

>Shelter is a basic human need, and it has no business being a growth, investment or speculative market.
It has every business to be. This is how markets work, dumbass. When prices rise faster than the price of production, more is produced as people seek profit. Welcome to market economics 101.

>You mean the uber luxury goods markets?
Which is a drop in the bucket of the total consumer goods market?

Who fucking cares about this non-issue?

>All that wealth is just SITTING there
Exactly, it ISN'T BEING USED. It's being saved which is good for the economy.
Money not being spent makes the value of all other money in the economy go up.

>The rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is the NATURAL STATE OF THINGS.
No it's not, if we abolished central banking and had a free market, the poor would be much richer than they are today.

Also the poor ARE getting richer worldwide, fuckface. pic related

pretty good bait

>not the top .1% or 1% or whatever, let alone all the corporations that are the actual wealthiest entities, nope just the top 62 billionaires
even if the money were to go to everyone, they would just spend it badly and give it right back to them.

this is why socialism will never work.

Also you're a fucking turd that thinks Elon Musk should have his money stripped from him.

Kill yourself you technology hating leftist.

>the poor getting poorer
>I made $100 today
>somehow this means I got poorer because someone else made $200
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

ECONOMIC ILLITERATES GET OUT

GET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

>Says the guy literally advocating for the wealthy.
LOL How does that make me cucked?

Rich people cannot help you. If you took their money you'd have nothing.
They're not your "masters" they're just people.

You're the cuck that worships centralized government.

>Prove it.
The fact that co-ops are not the dominant form of firm in today's society.
They just not as profitable as capitalist owned firms in most situations. Inb4 you whine about mondragon or something

>The market for their goods/services would still be exactly the same.
Alright so massive amounts of wealth was just wasted, consumer and capital goods have now been used up and people were in the same position they were before. You think the economy is "exactly the same" even though there's much less supply of capital and consumer goods.

>everything would still be there.
Except the capital and consumer goods.

> Except the so called "owner" who sits back and in most cases doesn't actually contribute to the fucking business.
Tell that to Elon Musk, you people deserve to be suffocated and hope this will happen one day.

>It's not "stashed", it's invested in hidden accounts and the banks are lending it back out to be used elsewhere. If it was just "stashed" there, then we can be glad that they're increasing the value of our cash as they leave so much out of circulation.

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>the dark void of cosmos has produced that $300 out of the aether
>people understand that it's easy to make money when you HAVE money
>don't understand that "investing" means wealth is being accumulated over long enough time

>You're the cuck that worships centralized government.

All that statement proves is your ignorance. Any centralized state is a bureaucratic mess, I am completely opposed to Soviet Union type states, or anything like. I would rather be a cuck to the wealthy in a capitalist system like you than exist in a statist system like that.

>Rich people cannot help you. If you took their money you'd have nothing.

No, if I took their money, I would in fact have more money.

>They just not as profitable as capitalist owned firms in most situations. Inb4 you whine about mondragon or something.

Nice opinion.

>The fact that co-ops are not the dominant form of firm in today's society.

That doesn't prove anything of the sort. All it means is that the wealthy and powerful control enough political capital and media to con poor fools like you into believing that it's better for you.

>Alright so massive amounts of wealth was just wasted, consumer and capital goods have now been used up and people were in the same position they were before. You think the economy is "exactly the same" even though there's much less supply of capital and consumer goods.

>Except the capital and consumer goods.

Where do you keep pulling this bullshit from. Small businesses still operate and exist.
Workers still work their previous jobs.
People still have money, still have jobs, still want consumer goods and still consume them.

What are you even talking about, seriously?

Socialists are the most petty people in history. The entire philosophy is essentially "there are probably dozens, maybe even hundreds, of millionaires who didn't earn their money fairly. So, out of spite, let's fuck over several millions of people who did legitimately earn their money and hope that some of the illegitimate ones get hit in the crossfire"

>spite
Ebin

Envy isn't quite the same as spite.

Socialists despise the middle class, they will never see a dime of the rich folks money, so those who are unable to flee such as the middle class end up on their list to loot rob and kill. Some times the socialists even collude with wealthy foreign elements in order to secure them a seat of some kind of power. Socialism is just trading one set of oligarchs for a new set of oligarchs, many of whom are even worse than the ones they replace.

Nah, that's communists. Unfortunately, a lot of "thinkers" don't understand that technology and scientific progress can render ideas either obsolete or actually viable. Advancement of automation will render lower-classes without a means to survive, and all that wealth will flow up, to a class that was useless for decades. Middle class was always a charity class, incapable of actually sustaining itself long term, and needing government intervention to be stable.

>I am completely opposed to Soviet Union type states
Oh look another extremely hypocritical "anarcho"syndicalist

You people are statists lol, you try everything to deny this but it's true in every way possible.

>I would in fact have more money.
Ya for like 3 weeks and then never again LMAO

What a dumb argument.

>to con poor fools like you
I read books you faggot, unlike people like you brainwashed into wanting the state or a "labor union" to decide their fate.
Fuck democracy.

>Small businesses still operate and exist.
Yes, where would they get the goods to operate from?
The building material? The electricity? The computers? The networks? The steel? The raw fucking materials? The coffee? The millions of other things required to make a sustaining business?
These things would now be suddenly way more expensive because the demand shot up and supply went down.

>All it means is that the wealthy and powerful control enough political capital and media to con poor fools like you into believing that it's better for you.
The modern economy is evidence that it's better for me. Capitalist firms comprise 99.95% of firms pretty much and there's nothing stopping co-ops from forming.

What's stopping a bunch of laborers from starting their own firm and competing?

Why do they suck so bad? lmao