Can anyone care to enlighten me when was Latin America communistic...

Can anyone care to enlighten me when was Latin America communistic? Cause people here seem to spout every single time that all problems in LatAm were due to communism

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Cuba is not the whole Latin America

In the last 13 years we have been governed by Communists and before by Social Democrats

so PT has monopolized the means of production? I dont remember that

dumb commie apologist monkey

Here comes the commie monkey. Firstly, hang yourself. Secondly, never. But that doesn't mean communists never tried.

So if they never got into power how can people blame all of our problems to them?

He only gave favors to entrepreneurs in exchange for money.Tried to regulate the Internet.And tried to buy votes against the impeachment of Dilma.He also financed several dictatorships around the globe

sure but have they monopolized the means of production?

Creating state enterprises. Do not you see any problem with the other things mentioned above?

Because the right in Brazil is a conglomerate of imbecile americanists. They need some scapegoat. Yet, that doesn't mean the left is good. And you sound like a stupid revisionist with this rhetorical bullshit. Communism is shit, and Brazil would've been far worse with it.

It's not communism, but is populism. It's all the same, no matter the banner that flew over. Commu ism just gives a justification and therefore is a bad ideology.

Not the whole of Latin America. Just the overall best parts.

I don't think they mean Communism, they mean Populism

well, never, but a lot of socialist ideas were put in action

State enterprises isnt seizing the means of production.

Brazilians are very poorly politically educated so they think socialism is communism or that hitler was left wing

So the answer is being retarded

WTF Brazil!??!

more like some people here want to spread brain dead memes and change public opinion about it

Concentrate the means of production in the state is not the initial phase of communism?

Not necessarily. The MOP don't need to automatically transfer over to the state, simply because they have been removed from private hands. Public ownership does not by necessity come together with state control.

no it isnt. because you seize the means of production, you dont give it to the hands of a few capitalists to increase the state presence and production output. You literally destroy the exploration of the surplus value by seizing all means of production and giving it to the state, thus destroying any possibility of exploration of labor.

>intentona comunista
>ANL
>VAR-Palmares
>Polop
>Marighella
>Prestes

All communist terrorists.

>people here seem to spout every single time that all problems in LatAm were due to communism
Because USA pours a lot of money in South America to spread anti-communist propaganda. If people say such things it means the american jew is happy

yeah but have they seized power?

>exploitation of the labor
>labor theory of value

Kek la kek

With Communists in charge? You know they will have to control the state.

In China and the USSR workers were exploited

>giving it to the state, thus destroying any possibility of exploration of labor
That only follows if the state is sufficiently democratic, and not controlled by a minority class.

This

Never. Yet they took arms to do it and many populist leaders of today were in those movements. Genuino of PT was actually in the Araguaia's Guerrila, Dilma was in the VAR-Palmares and so on...

ok
sure, I am explaining the theory behind a communist state, i am not saying it works like that in reality

That's true. But Bolshevism is Judaism too.

>But Bolshevism is Judaism too.

and? when their party got into power have they seized the means of production?

And? You need to accomplish something to be deemed as bad? The intent of your actions cannot be judged until the final cause is reached? Trying to murder is not wrong, if the murder does not occur?

>You need to accomplish something to be deemed as bad?
No. But you need to accomplish quite a lot of things to have your country be deemed as communist.

Why would a Finn be a communist? They would probably attach their country and commit genocide

yes because actions are what matters and change stuff, the intention changes nothing

No, stop getting educated by Sup Forums memes, american definitions of politics are absolute retarded

This. But i get the feeling that most of the answers saying commies is underage kids wanting to make the americans happy. It's funny, at the end they are just being contrarians, the people they dislike hates american interventionism so they should love neoliberals and hate the non-existing commies.

>He only gave favors to entrepreneurs in exchange for money.
That sounds like corruption

>Tried to regulate the Internet.
Nothing to do with commies

>And tried to buy votes against the impeachment of Dilma.
Not communism, just more corruption

>He also financed several dictatorships around the globe
How is that any different than what other ideologies do? why are you calling this shit communism?

>the intention changes nothing

Sure. So England is right in letting england born jihadiste to be back, safe and sound, to their country. There's no point, whatsoever, in judging someone that was about to commit a crime if he didn't do it in time. Good logic.

>homicide attempt is not a crime

He said about blaming communists, not saying the country is communist per se.

>>homicide attempt is not a crime

And it's also an action, thinking in killing someone and wanting to kill someone isnt a crime. Contacting a hired killer is a crime.

brazilians think comunism or socialism is populism too

letting people do as their please is clearly a political actio s
homicide attempt is an action that failed, it is different from just the intention of doing so

>Araguaia's Guerrila
to fight a dictatorship even our current right was against

Soviets, not communists in general
Communism cannot be related to just one country. It is a system, not a nation

welcome to brazil

Yes, a former Guerrila fighter as minister/president that is aligned with the Socialist Internationale had not acted enough.

well back to the question. has she seized the means of production while in power?

Fight in behalf of communism, not democracy. The PCB was pacifist and democratic at the time, not the guerrilas.

oh sure
guerrilla fighters from dictatorship times are criminals of course

>socialism
>communism

guys see what I'm talking about? brazilians are retarded

All communist parties praise the USSR

No. But aligned with communist movements during her lifetime, including dictatorships. t's action enough to prove the party's intent.

Since always, we never had free market, it was always a strong government and power in the hand of few, and what goes against free market is essentially socialism. The era of the elite, kings and queens, is not gone yet, we are socialists, with a moralistic law, lack of freedom, and taxes and taxes...

Yes, if they are fighting for another dictatorship. Also, socialism/communism in the context of Cold War geopolitics are representations of the same wing, we are not discussing political philosophies and it's branches here.

>if you are not neoliberalist you are communist
kys

>socialism/communism in the context of Cold War geopolitics are representations of the same wing
no it's not retard

>we are not discussing political philosophies and it's branches here
just because you don't know the difference between them, go back to school

also there is a bunch of militaries that tortured civilians who are also free these days

are you screeching for them too? didn't think so. so stop pretending to have a moral high ground

Nor can it be considered a dictatorship since anyone could buy a weapon. After the Médici there were elections normally.

pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleição_presidencial_no_Brasil_em_1974

Its all the same shit to me, if its not ancap is socialism, i dont care about how you call your shit

You can shout all you want. Telling me to go back to school will not change the facts. If you are stupid enough to not comprehend it, then it's your loss, kid.

>Its all the same shit to me
exactly, because you are a fucking retarded piece of shit who learns your politics from memes and waddles around spitting your uneducated, braindead "opinions" as if you knew jackshit and doesn't realize you are embarassing yourself

Not at all. I doubt even all the ones in Brazil do that (could be wrong though). You should read into the different segments of communism. They differ in pretty big ways, and with pretty much every person or group or nation that one party praises, another berates.

>the difference between them

the bogeyman of humanities. You talk as if it was something as difficult as modern physics. You must be a graduate in history or something, fuck off

>muh second phase
>first socialism then gommunism
>not real gommunism tho
Thats not the point m8, i dont care about how do you call your shitty ideologies, the point is just that we aint capitalist, not even near that, start and grow business here is hell

Keep shouting, lefty. It's not changing anything.

It's something that happens after decades of American brainwashing and CIA false flags.
Sad really

uhm no? so back in the military dictatorship when we are aligned diplomatically with Angola's communist dictatorship means that our government was communistic?Likewise when argentina during their dictatorship always supported Cuba in the UN means they were commies? Also saying that you like someone means that you have intention of marrying her? And that you wont solely dump her next day? lmao

>the point is just that we aint capitalist

Dumbass

Pinochet wasnt enough

I know, I'm glad you will not study the subject, you never had and never will study anything and keep being a retarded poor loser for the rest of your life.

>i don't know the difference between means of production and state policies

lmfao I keep telling you to study more but you just show how fucking retard you are nonstop without shame
if you want to suck american dick at least educated yourself as half as they do

Countries are not a good example because geopolitics are not made with ideologies but with advantages. Even Carlos Prestes made deals with Vargas. But as for her personal history and trajectory, yes, it's proof enough. And many of the PT as well.

>study
>politics
This is not math, man. Anyone knows this and if you think you are enlightened for knowing you are an idiot.

>le humanities are difficult too xDD

>I know everything so I don't have to study it
>math is hard

can you please stop being a stereotypical brazilian?

btw
>calls socialism and communism the same thing
>says we are not capitalist
>thinks capitalism and neoliberalism are the same thing
>humanities is so easy!!

jesus christ
you are so retarded you don't even realize you are shaming yourself
now I get it. one of the reasons brazilians feel no shame is because of their low education. that makes sense.

Well, it's harder than anything in humanities. But, hey, don't let the history and sociology graduates hear this. It will put them in a deep state of sadness for being incapacitated.

countries arent good examples but people are? lmao you are naive as fuck, people change according to their interests you would clearly know that if you ever dated a girl or risked anything in real life. hence why you cant take intentions seriously, intentions doesnt mean people will act my friend, especially when they are bound by society

>i am different from the rest of brazilians xDD
>trust me, user, i can read about socialism and communism too xDDD

if you think math is hard is because you are retarded
if you think humanities is easy is because you didn't study it

bet you are the same brazilian who thinks hitler was left wing

whatever, you are retarded, you have proven to be retarded, you are glad to be retarded and you think you are not retarded, which means you will be retarded forever, so I'm pretty satisfied. we are both glad.

therefore, I will go back to work because I'm not a neet virgin loser who learns politics from memes and got good grades from the lazy geography teacher during highschool and somehow thinks I know jackshit about humanities

see you later retard

Cuba 53-
A bunch of Central Americans country with guerrillas
Colombia and the FARC
Venezuela right now
Argentina 03-15
Brazil 03-
Ecuador and Bolivia are wildcards, after the 2000 anything would be good for them.
Perú and Sendero luminoso
Chile 70-73, 14-

The point is, you don't need to have actual communism to ruin a country, just a bit on the left will be enough to fuck it for all.

if PT has ruined our country by giving 3% unemployment rates and 5% average growth a year I wantmy country to be ruined again

>i am so successful xDD
>i know politics, user, a-am i special?

Nigga, Brazil wans't a special snowflake. Lot of countries grew due to Chinese importing commodities

>Colombia and the FARC
Bite your tongue! Fuerza Alternativa Revolucionaria del Común are gonna bring Colombia into an era of prosperity, starting in 2018.

...

not really our internal growth was mainly due to the internal market which was reflected by the commodities price, which happened because Lula increased the credit loaning for both consumers and producers. The same happened during the military dictatorship but it didnt translate into gdp per capita growth because the wealth wasnt distributed and remained in the hands of pro-US capitalists

Pretty much this. The boom of the commodities allowed the social expenditure to get so high and help in the social indicators. The inflation and unemployment came hard after the good wave.

Quantitative easing with low inflation is only possible if there's enough money in the reserves. The commodities created Lula.

Social expenditure and debt could be contained if Eduardo Cunha didnt basically stop the chamber of deputies for a year just to save himself from Moro by impeaching Dilma

lmao I am not talking about QE do you even know what QE is?

>being employed and not a pathetic virgin NEET is considered “successful” to the retarded nazipardo faggot

Holly shit Silvio Santos is the secret brother

>going back to work
>t. Padeiro

>being employed is a hard concept for the illiterate favela monkey to understand

>Argentina 03-15
when did keynesian policies become communism?

>parties that support large private business and allow foreign capital investment are "communists"

>something wrong
>blame commies
>nice!
>wait, problem is still here..
And don't forget to call me commie (i'm not) :^)

Brazilians are the worst humans I have ever seen. Anyone with an education acts American and is a self hating corporate shills and the rest are just dumb.