We toyed with the idea of giving [Zemo] his mask and sword in the final act of the movie...

>We toyed with the idea of giving [Zemo] his mask and sword in the final act of the movie, but we quickly realized that it would have made no sense within the context of the story structure. Those items have great importance to this character. They aren't just a costume and a weapon, they are his heritage, legacy. Had we made him suit up in the movie yes, fans would have understood what was happening but casual audiences would have been lost because we didn't explore [Zemo's] royal descendance .

>This is why we left the door wide open for his return. We have only begun to scratch the surface with this character. We have big plans for him

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>We didn't think a Zemo toy should compete with a Spiderman one, so we're saving him for another tie in.

Source, nigga

ZEMO WILL RETURN

Non-copyright-infringing Doctor Doom then?

it would have been cool if he had a purple scarf around his head in Russia

Civil War concept art book

Pretty smart

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Well the lazy option would have been to make the mask some tacticool shit part of his uniform. Respect they didn't go nuts

No, Baron Zemo. Keep up, buddy.

>Had we made him suit up in the movie yes, fans would have understood what was happening but casual audiences would have been lost because we didn't explore [Zemo's] royal descendance .
That implies they might explore it later. I wouldn't mind if they give a flashback scene in some future movie where his father Heinrich explains their descent from Sokovian Barons, and explains why a civil war can destroy an empire.

Is that out? I was gonna get it.

And lemme guess - there's not a bit of Spider-man in it.

>casuals wouldn't have got it

Well, at least we know for whom the Marvel movies are made

Cool, it's always neat to see cape movies treat their source material with integrity.

There's like 3 full pages of costumes they didn't use and a full look at prototype costume he wore in the YouTube videos

I hope this is true. Is it? I don't want to get bamboozled here.

Well, guess I'm buying it then.

I figured it would go the route of every other piece of merchandise for the film and pretend like Spider-man doesn't exist.

>we didnt want to lazily throw this in without giving it any proper set up
theyre made for movie-going audiences

I kind of figured he might become the new Loki or something. They gave him military skills and knowledge, and left him alive. His only goal was to tear the Avengers apart, so if they get back together he's going to want to break out of jail.

Alternatively, Suicide Squad does really well, and Marvel greenlights the Thunderbolts movie everyone on Sup Forums seems to think is happening, with him as the lead.

They understand that a movie has to work as a movie first and foremost, and not a series of Easter Eggs. If you need to read the comics to get a crucial part of the movie, because what's come before doesn't support it, it's not very good filmmaking.

That's a respectable stance

With Thunderbolt Ross as the creator of the squad before Zemo steals control.

The only questions I have is:

>Who move are thye gonna put him in
>Will he have his own sub-plot
>Will he be the big villain after Thanos's demise

It'd be cool if they would've gave him his own movie, I know there's 0% chance of that happening, but that would've changed the formula up a bit.

Giving the super villain a whole movie of backstory and just calling the move "Zemo"

pretty good. i liked zemo in the movie he was a good change from the usual, he didn't want to take over or destroy the world. he was dangerous because he was smart and knew how to manipulate people not because he was a physical threat. i feel like people who saw the movie and still wanted him to have to sword and mask are people who just want as many references to the comics made as possible even if it leads to a detriment of the film.

>>Who move are they're gonna put him in
They probably haven't decided yet, but If I had to guess
>Will he be the big villain after Thanos's demise
That would be my guess. It would seem Phase 4 would be the perfect time to bring him back.

>That would be my guess. It would seem Phase 4 would be the perfect time to bring him back.

Hmm that seems a bit silly for them to go with an all powerful cosmic threat first and then do the whole Zemo thing. Like Zemo is so shit compared to Thanos.

Unless they're gonna make that part of the reason he's such a threat. Like he doesn't require brute force, but instead because he's a master strategist he gives the Avengers a huge problem.

Maybe that's what they were setting up in this movie, his strategic villainy.

pair him with Taskmaster and don't kill off/imprison the B-tier villain in the first act.

yes...? if it wasn't made for casuals, it wouldn't make tons of money

Here's something for you, TDK, BvS, Dredd, and Spider-Man 2 was also made for casuals.

So Thunderbolts confirmed?

Have the Russos say something about Cap's death in the comic?

>Alternatively, Suicide Squad does really well, and Marvel greenlights the Thunderbolts movie everyone on Sup Forums seems to think is happening, with him as the lead.
With Gunn's comments, the existence of the Suicide Squad movie makes a Thunderbolts one much more unlikely.

What's your source on that quote, OP?

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No fucking shit dumbass. These movies don't become wildly successful because they appeal just to nerds

Pics?

As usual, the Russos continue to be based for various reasons.

I hope when Zemo does mask and sword up, it's in one of their movies.

Remember when the Russos introduced Baron Strucker and left him open for other directors to use? Here's hoping the same doesn't happen to Zemo.

This is a good point and I can tell you a really good example right now. Rumlow

Who in the casual audience even remembered who this guy even was or what he was referencing when he says Cap "dropped a building on him". Oh yeah, we certainly remember but I'm pretty sure the rest of the crowd didn't. So they made up for it by making him into CB so he's simple enough that audiences don't have to get it immediately.

Zemo is a big deal and if they want to build him up, which clearly we all knew they are doing, taking it slow is a good move. (also the point of the movie was hero vs hero anyway) If he just came out with the sock head, it would be a dishonor to the potential of his legacy they could explore

fucking kill me if they do that shit again

Whedon is gone and I'm sure if the Russos say they will keep him, considering their pull at Marvel these days, they will keep him

>Like he doesn't require brute force, but instead because he's a master strategist he gives the Avengers a huge problem.
I mean, that's already what we've seen. You're not going to beat "Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet" at pure physical prowess with ANY Earth based villain, or most villains period. If they are going to keep making Avengers movies (which they might switch off from to something else) they need to bring the volume down somehow, because you can't just keep going bigger if you've already gotten to Infinity Gauntlet, there's only a couple of villains that could top that, and then you're done. So yeah, I think Zemo will come back in some capacity. They're going to need someone smart, and interesting, and personally motivated enough to distract people from the lowered overall stakes.

Whedon just did that to set him up for Age of Ultron. He directed and wrote that scene, which makes it all the more baffling he completely fucked him up in the actual movie after giving him a great intro in Winter Soldier. The guy just can't help himself, they give him Gold and he HAS to shit out bronze.

> Royal legacy
> Sokovia
> Pick one

Yeah, from Germany that makes sense...but Sokovia has no history in the MCU and unlike 616's Transia there's no Wundagore to make it significant.

They should have kept him German.

Here's a quick look at the Civil War Concept Art Book

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>but Sokovia has no history in the MCU
What? When have they said Sokovia has no history? Zemo could easily descend from a line of Sokovian barons.

Chthon, Set, Shuma Gorath, and Dormammu all surpass Thanos in just about every department.

Zemo works because he's a different threat. He's cerebral, he's cunning, he's personal. He's a problem the Avengers can't just punch away.

Thanos is a sledgehammer to the face. Zemo is cancer. Both will kill you, both are serious, but they're compltely different.

I don't see the page with this Zemo art in there. I really wish we had solid proof OP's quote is real.

Whedon introduced Strucker as a substitute for the High Evolutionary, not for any other purpose.

Infinity Gauntlet Thanos, user. Fucking Mephisto was a boot-licker during that event, remember?

Did you not watch the movie? It legitimately would have been out of place given his role in the plot.

Holy fuck no idea how they pulled off a villain who essentially wears a purple sack on his head and an animal print collar but he looks great.
Kudos to the artist

All except Dormammu don't retain the slightest fraction of humanity. They're all creatures who the audience won't find interesting at all. Just your typical run of the mill evil, that's evil because evil is needed for the superheroes to prevail.

Baron Zemo is one of the coolest looking villains in Marvel user.

> Line of descent from a third world shithole which Maria Hill described as an irrelevance.

Irrelevant countries have royalty still.

They'll bullshit a way for Crossbones and other ded characters like Quicksilver to show up in Infinity War, right?


Right?

Not really imo, but it works on the page.
Not so much irl but this concept are pulls it off.

Yeah, this Zemo clearly doesn't have a royal lineage. Maybe once in the past, but it would have been long sense fractured, his family caught in the constantly shifting turmoil the permeated through the last century of Europe, in the end content living a quiet life in the Sokovian countryside despite being a failed state.

you spelt "flamboyantly gay looking" wrong

Plus they could always make it so that his family moved there from Germany after WWII.

You can make this look cool in luve action, but you need to turn the mask into a hybrid mask/helmet (mask with armour segments overlaying so they shift when his face expresses). That would work.

I don't know about mask/helmet but I think there may have to be some work and I think the OP is a good compromise.

I mean, we like to call it a facesock out of endearment but it still looks like a sock on his face

He's eccentric and bombastic in his appearance, which perhaps could be seen as flamboyant, sure, but that is in no way a detrimental thing. He wears the colors of royalty.

It isn't a homosexual thing either. I'd even argue that the way he dresses is very masculine in a peacock like way. It's like Daario Naharis catching the eye of Daenerys and eventually winning her affection through his very distinct and ostentatious appearance. A man who can dress in magenta while leading a force of evil Gods and monsters is the kind of man I wish I could be.

You people are never satisfied.

Why not just make it a mask like in the OP concept art?

>we need to explain first where the costume comes from before he puts in on

marveldrones and their logic that a fucking costume needs a standalone movie

Better than crossovers without any proper introduction for more than 1 of the characters.

because then it would just be a purple balaclava

>when people have to hate on Civil War for what they didn't do instead of what they did do

Yes, I like that idea.

So you think it's not important that Zemo's costume is relevant to his history and that it shouldn't be explored?

The mask, I agree.

But they could've given him the sword as a weapon given to decorated military officials, passed down from generation to generation, and have him try to use to commit suicide in the end.

>marveldrones and their logic that a fucking costume needs a standalone movie

Yea just cram everything in without background to make everything a cluster fuck and confusing and then tell the audience the film is too complex and "smart" for mainstream audiences.

Theory time

In the MCU if your filled with negativity, and take the super soldier serum it fucks up your body (see red skull).

What if in a future movie, Zemo takes the serum fucks up his face and dawns a dark purple tactical Ski mask?

but the scene between him and Black Panther was the best scene in the movie
it'd be awkward as fuck if he tried to commit suicide with a sword

Admittedly, the gun appeared out of nowhere. Establishing a familial blade with him not only would be flavor to his character design, but be much more dramatic for the botched suicide.

Go kill yourself, that's the stupidest shit i ever heard in my life.

>seppuku is a thing

Out of place or not, it would've a lot cooler if he wore his costume instead of being a plaind old guy. I was kind of expecting that.

Not to mention the mask would hide his face, why wouldn't he want that?

it is
but I meant that scene where he gets prevented from killing himself would be more awkward with a sword involved

It should happen in Thunderbolts or Cap 4.

>it'd be awkward as fuck if he tried to commit suicide with a sword

they can't keep getting away with this

why. explain.

Zemo's advantage was looking like a regular old guy.

Having a distinct purple mask is much more of a standout feature of a terrorist.

>tfw you've been pronouncing it Zim-Oh for 20 years

something something time gem

It's not like Marvel isn't privy on "stealing" DC's concepts and pulling their own "spin" on it. With varying degrees of success.

Gunn's admission only means that he wouldn't like to direct the movie because Suicide Squad exists and be forced to "one up" the competition instead of following what he thinks will work.

I don't know why the last two Cap movies had to have such normal-loking dudes as the villians. It just seems weird when paired up with all the superheroes.

Not to mention it feels like a huge step down compared to someone like the Red Skull.

Isn't taskmaster tied to another property?

>Civil War is 2.5 hours long
How long are the Infinity movies going to be? Are we going to see the return of intermissions?

I thought Iron Man was a pretty vibrant villain.

>implying Hasbro would make a toy of an MCU villain that wasn't Loki

Crossbones has been confirmed for a future Legends wave.
I'm crossing my fingers that it's the MCU version. That armor design was really good.

Look at it this way
>After the Avengers struggle but succeed to defeat Thanos, they return to Earth only to have to eventually face a cabal of their enemies led by Baron Zemo
Something like that.

His runka-chunk punchers were pretty awesome, not gonna lie.

Well color me excited. Im glad theyre doing the slow build up for Zemo. I mean hell look what he did his first outing! Kinda reminds me of the Klaww groundwork during AoU

Well that can't be, because you'll need a grace period, a time of relaxation and give the audience a time to feel closure.

I can see them building up to that point though. Like have most villains return would fill seats again.