Is this Kino critism of film?

is this Kino critism of film?

*sniffling intensifies*

>literally the beginning of his discussion of They Live
>I already am eating from the trash can all the time. The name of this trash can is ideology

yes it's kino

Nah, Zizek's take on things is bullshit.

Just really convoluted Marxism at the end of the day.

expand your view point giving actual examples.

Yes.
>t. garbage pail eater

i like the film and zizek but he never really seems to make his ideology clear. hes always making points for different leftist ideology but he always adds caveats about how they never work and so on or how he's glad tromp won

This. Kill all communists.

>glad trump won
Zizek is an accelerationist.

not an argument

>its a bourgeois liberals LARP as communist revolutionaries episode

I can understand how a pleb who doesn't actually understand the reasoning behind his methodology may think this.

He also took back his explicit endorsement of Trump on Tavis Smiley and said he concedes that he may have been wrong.

*sniffs*

Really though, that's what Zizek does. He convolutes things like so many career postmodernists do, in his case claiming that there is an inherent incompleteness or problem to reality itself (which I kind of agree with) but then, as with all these guys, still going on to pursue some utopianist communism. Hadn't he just established that it's impossible?

There are a lot of things he says that I agree with, because he's kind of all over the place, because being contrarian is his brand, but it's all just a gimmick.

>he's right when I agree with him
Fascinating analysis.

>bourgeois liberals LARP as communist revolutionaries

There's no such thing as any other kind.

Here's a hint for you, to get you started in a better direction:

All leftism, save for ecology (which is actually neither left nor right), is nothing more than middle and upper class "rebels" and "intellectuals" in a state of extended lashing out against "dad". They're mad at their father and order and God, for whatever reason related to existential discomfort or resentment or dissatisfaction.

keep sucking his dick and pretending youre intelligent

No, he says many things that can be reasonable, but at THIS POINT IN HISTORY, still chasing after utopianist communism or any kind of utopianism is an insult to all the people murdered under so many recent attempts and surely you can't take it seriously.

you forgot the other kind: jews tricking the goyim into doing their bidding

t. dumbass who's never read any history

what flyover state do you live in, that makes you believe this preposterous presumption

Republicanism didn't end with the reign of terror or Napoleon kid. If you've ever heard Zizek speak he drives this point across pretty clearly. You can come at what he's saying from a completely dispassionate point of view and still see the merit of his argument.

He has a really interesting viewpoint on pretty much everything.

>mad at God
oh noooo. not the invisible santa claus. how will we ever cope?

>he may have been wrong.
kek, fucking ''''''''geniuses''''''''.

I don't disagree with this per se, particularly given how many pseudo-intellectuals just blindly worship the funny-voice cocaine guy from Vice solely because he's the only living philosopher they know of.
But that said, I don't think he always lets his politics get in the way of analysis. The pursuit of this "utopian communism" is no more pronounced in his critiques than in those of, say, Derrida, Spivak, or Baudrillard. It's just more annoying because of his extremely vocal "DUDE STALIN LMAO" fan base who you won't find shilling for Steven Shaviro or Gerard Casey

I live in fucking Berkeley California, you clown. I've been a part of more leftist campaigns then you ever will, and after a while anyone with any critical capacity and honesty realizes this. The only thing I've been involved in to the "left" over the years with any merit was environmentalism. The Occupy thing, which I was involved in, was pure LARPing and college dykes arguing with random deadbeat blacks showing up to camp out for free arguing with hippies. They're all a joke.

All the Occupy camps were literal fucking crack and heroin cities, and in the East Bay, protest culture continued over the year to set up camps which always turned into smelly homeless crackhead kid villages of literal runaway dorks in fedoras trying to sell weed to people walking by.

a lot of leftists legitimately believe business owners, capitalists, rich people are evil. they fundamentally misunderstand conservative principles and think we're monsters. why even try to understand when it's a whole lot easier to drink the koolaid the media feeds them every day and just dismiss our opinions because were the bad guys.

>bourgeois liberals LARP as communist revolutionaries
this is definitely the worst episode though

continued over the *years

Thank you, exactly. All these fake intellectuals and leftists only ever talk about Zizek or Badiou, if they know anyone more current at all (and personally I think both of those two are a dead end). And it's all just namedropping fad bullshit with them.

>the people who steal from me every day, and control every facet of modern society aren't evil

lmao stay blue-pilled

>durr personal my experience with these movements allows me to generalise political ideals that have exists for centuries
>durr liberals are the same as leftists

just off yourself my man

stay retarded

>having such a simplistic, cartoon take of morality that places all "evil" on "rich people"

Spoken like someone who has never lived among the poor or middle class. Everyone is fucked up. Demonizing people for being born into a certain class is childish.

As opposed to someone like yourself who probably only gets his take on the left from books and college.

I've read the texts, cone to the schools, but have also deeply involved myself in a wide variety of campaigns and communities on the left in various places around the world.

The left is a childish pose to adopt in the world (I'm not right wing either). It's simply "fuck you dad: the ideology".

Always telling when people know Zizek's bit about fisting but none of his views on Hegel.
It's frustrating, too, because the system doesn't filter for these sort of pseuds. A dear, close friend of mine graduated with a Philosophy BA from a great uni and the guy doesn't understand the basics of communism or feminism, let alone post-structuralism or trans-humanism.
Also miss me with the "Lol Humanities degrees are worthless" commentary, STEM girls pay me to fuck and talk critical theory so stay mad autistic virgins

>As opposed to someone like yourself who probably only gets his take on the left from books and college.
Not true, but regardless theory and history are essential for anyone to understand leftism given its age as a movement and it's interesting to note that due to your obvious lack of reading you're incapable of making any actual argument against leftism.

>but have also deeply involved myself in a wide variety of campaigns and communities on the left

And yet all the examples you've given have been you involving yourself with liberals, not leftists funny that isn't it?

>The left is a childish pose to adopt in the world (I'm not right wing either)
>centrism

I am sorry for your autism

Stem girls pay me to fuck and talk critical theory

this sounds like obvious bait

I don't know about that, the left has a pretty strong trust in authority for communism or socialism to theoretically function. Libertarianism, I would have thought, is the classic "I'm 12 now, you're not the boss" ideology. Maybe liberalism, too.
Still though, fuck centrism and neoliberals. The system's in bits, anarchism and nihilism shouldn't have become viewed as edgy-meme-philosophies, they've a lot to contribute to this weirdly bipartisan pro-authoritarianism discourse (i.e the way both the left and right trust and want 1 government or another to rule and run their lives)

Don't you know that not believing in a God somehow equates to hating God? It's almost like this argument was made by people who can't fully accept the fact that some people just don't believe in a deity.

>someone like yourself who probably only gets his take on the left from books and college.

>you shouldn't read books about something you want to learn about


witness the intellectual depth of the enlightened centrist

>its an all communists are bolsheviks episode

>a lot of leftists legitimately believe business owners, capitalists, rich people are evil.
Either you're thinking about liberals or shitty, moralizing leftists. The upper class are just acting in their rational self-interest according to the system they're in, it's absurd to blame them for that. The problem is Capitalism, is that classes exist at all, not those individuals who make the most of it.
> they fundamentally misunderstand conservative principles and think we're monsters
that's most people, just replace "conservative" with whatever ideology they're opposed to.
>the left has a pretty strong trust in authority for communism or socialism to theoretically function.
Blame Marxist-Leninists for that, not the entire movement seeking to abolish Capitalism.

you're in the club trying to safeguard the revolution when this guy establishes a free territory based on the principles of mutual aid. what do?

keep in mind hes 5'7 and has machine guns on horseback

what the fuck is going on in this thread. I started it to talk about Zizek and one movie, not some godamn left v right, capitalism v communism debate goddamn you Sup Forums

Form a strategic alliance with him until our common enemy is defeated and then backstab him and conquer his territory to prevent ideological competition to my dictatorial one party state.

?

The movie is literally about capitalism v communism staring a famous leftist philosopher, what were you expecting?

film is bourgeois frivolity

dam, my one weakness

>The problem is Capitalism, is that classes exist at all, not those individuals who make the most of it.

There's nothing wrong at all with Capitalism. It's the best economic system that's been developed in human history, it's not a perfect system and like any it has its issues but it facilitates an enormous amount of economic flexibility and freedom for the average person. The criticism of capitalism primarily comes from those who are incapable of participating or lack the ability to survive in such a competitive system.

>that's most people, just replace "conservative" with whatever ideology they're opposed to.

The typical group think of the left does not represent most people.

AND SO ON AND SO ON

Nobody ITT actually read M&E or at least Lenin. Like, at all.

>There's nothing wrong at all with Capitalism. It's the best economic system that's been developed in human history
Are you literally implying that the development of property rights and practices literally stops forever with laissez faire capitalism despite the technological progress, culture shift and the rest of it, which it objectively doesn't if we go by historic experience? Might dropping a solid and constant definition on us, and then trying to find it on this planet?

>the only criticism comes from people being killed by the system

wow I love capitalism now

he said he read books about them but reading books does not give you enough knowledge one must learn through experience too. Great job purposely misrepresenting his statements though.

>All leftism, save for ecology (which is actually neither left nor right)

Why the fuck did you call it leftism then? This retardation is getting out of hand.

No it's just that "leftists" look at the world around them and see that it's not a perfect and things can change, while conservatives are more than happy to live in a safe little bubble all their lives, oblivious to the problems of other people so long as they are comfortable.

yes I am sure this is all there is too it bravo!

>Capitalism is perfect, sweatshops are perfect, preventable deaths from diseases and starvation is perfect, neo-colonialism and imperialism is perfect, more homes than homeless is perfect, 60% of food wasted in a country with massive food insecurity is perfect, having no control over your work or its products is perfect
>all of these things are perfect because people can hypothetically create a business that will likely fail
>The typical group think of the left does not represent most people.
>generalizing people and refusing to see their viewpoint is bad unless I do it

y'know, you could be create your own little bubble of conservatism to insulate yourself away from the harsh reality of stupid poor people being trampled by capitalism.

frankly if you live in a first world country in the current year and you're not making use of capitalism youre an idiot

No, "leftists" look at the world with arrogance, hubris and naivety. They understand the world could be better but that "better" is a world that's shaped and molded by their vision of how the world and people should be.

"Conservatives" on the other hand accept the world for what it is and are perfectly happy to live in the space they've carved out for themselves, not feeling the need to impose their views on other people, save for the religious ones.

Oh it has nothing to do with demonizing people. We just want to take all your shit.

>All leftism, save for ecology (which is actually neither left nor right), is nothing more than middle and upper class "rebels" and "intellectuals"
Does this here faggot even realize that 99% of left's biomass lives in countries that don't even have a concept of "middle class" as Americans do?

>one must learn through experience too
>experience of Western sandbox of a life, that is
You want some 100% legit lefty experience - go run a year with the Kurds, or get some ties in CPC, or befriend some ex-Soviets in Israel, or work a few years in hospital in Havana, or enlist for People's Republic of Lugansk. Go there and then play "seen it all they're just dumb kids" on us.

Most of this world's population does not live in a first world country in the current year. Fuck us for not making use of capitalism amirite?

pointing out the obvious lol
>us

>Fuck us for not making use of capitalism amirite?
not necessarily. i just dont know enough to care about your country and its issues.

2nd world country. Deal with it.

>"Conservatives" on the other hand accept the world for what it is and are perfectly happy to live in the space they've carved out for themselves
There might be some issues with carving out space for yourself. Namely the people whom you are carving out of said space to make it for yourself. It especially becomes an issue if you're one of those people. Kinda makes you disagree with all the fucked up game. Especially when the nasty capitalist is nasty not because you have some thousands dollars a month and he's got more, but because you got a couple of hundred dollars a month and the capitalist doesn't mind rolling over even that with his economic interventions, his sanctions, his cartels, his fucking aircraft carriers and fucking jets because that will give him more profit hethinks

Well don't get upset when we decorate the walls with you and everyone around to give you a perfectly valid reason to once in your life pay attention to someone other than yourself.

>when we decorate the walls with you
lmao good luck keep dreaming

>No, "runaway slaves" look at the world with arrogance, hubris and naivety. They understand the world could be better but that "better" is a world that's shaped and molded by their vision of how the world and people should be.
>"house niggers" on the other hand accept the world for what it is and are perfectly happy to live in the space they've carved out for themselves, not feeling the need to impose their views on other people, save for the religious ones.

FTFY

You're the only one who's saying that

>communism is perfect, labor camps are perfect, mass famine is perfect, neo-colonialism and imperialism is perfect, commie blocks are perfect, having no food is perfect, having no control over your work or its products is perfect

See I can regurgitate a bunch of virtue signaling bullshit too.

>generalizing people and refusing to see their viewpoint is bad unless I do it

Why would I listen to a bunch of sour-grapes who can't make it in a competitive environment? That's praising /redpill/ for calling all women manipulative bitches and hoes who only thirst for chad.

I meant that people sometimes associate with leftism, but I differ with this. you specious pedant.

>everything I don't like is ideology
There you go, saved you the time of watching this trash.

>You want some 100% legit lefty experience - go run a year with the Kurds, or get some ties in CPC, or befriend some ex-Soviets in Israel, or work a few years in hospital in Havana, or enlist for People's Republic of Lugansk. Go there and then play "seen it all they're just dumb kids" on us.

Oh give me a fucking break.

And as if I have any respect for ANY of those people. Are those supposed to be examples of real or good leftists?

>Oh it has nothing to do with demonizing people. We just want to take all your shit.
Oh, yes, you explicitly admit you're just a thug/scumbag. You deserve all that's coming to you.

I said I read the texts. As in, I read fucking everything across the spectrum. Leftist, center left, far right, extreme center.

Just remember - it's just the dumb eurocucks who get kaboomed daily. Can't ever happen in the (yourhometown).

Nnononon. You're mixing it up. It's the original Conservative, modern Conservative's grandpa, who is a real house nigger. He started out lumped together with the rest of them niggers, saw his pregnant wife approaching the deep end under the plantation conditions and once and for all decided for himself: "it's them or me". So he ratted out all the other niggers and everything they thought and planned for the position of a House Nigger. He knows what he did, that his relatively nice life is carved out of his fellows' flesh, and he doesn't care - he would stab at that flesh himself if it took that to preserve himself and his family.

Now, the modern "Conservative" is House Nigger's 12yo granddaughter, who never was among them plantation niggers and whose only job is wiping massa's bum clean after he takes a shit. For just that, she gets to live inside that nice house and eat the delicious leftovers from massa's table. So when she sees angry and rebelling plantation niggers she thinks to herself: "Umpf, so childizh dey are - dey be doing the exact same thang I did when I wus 6 and grampa gave me no candy fur Christmus. Dey're just children who don't no appreciate what they have - like I was, but now I'm better than that!"

>Especially when the nasty capitalist is nasty not because you have some thousands dollars a month and he's got more, but because you got a couple of hundred dollars a month and the capitalist doesn't mind rolling over even that with his economic interventions, his sanctions, his cartels, his fucking aircraft carriers and fucking jets because that will give him more profit hethinks

None of that is remotely unique to a capitalist system and an intelligent, cunning person would be able to survive and even thrive in that.

>lives in Berkeley
>goes to occupy protests
>realizes the left is utterly retarded
Stunning breakthrough now join us on the right and a real job faggot

The level of of cringe in this post makes me think that you frequent tumblr

>pic is you

cry more

>Are those supposed to be examples of real or good leftists?
Real, of course. Real leftists are anything but good for your kind.

>Oh, yes, you explicitly admit you're just a thug/scumbag.
And that goes on to --->
>an intelligent, cunning person would be able to survive and even thrive in that
'Cause you see kids - it's okay to thrive on other's people's suffering when you do it with __MARKET__.

The fuck do I need tumblr for? I have a Lenin's statue staring at me through a window ffs. Are Americans that fundamentally incapable of imagining a landscape other than one they grew up with?

>Nobody ITT actually read M&E or at least Lenin. Like, at all.
>Let me keep pointing to these assertions that have been dismissed time and time again

Communism is like bane shitposting, it's a meme that just doesn't want to die

>Let me keep pointing to these assertions that have been dismissed time and time again
If by "dismissed" you mean "stubbornly pretending they don't exist" - sure thing senpai.

>'Cause you see kids - it's okay to thrive on other's people's suffering when you do it with __MARKET__.

Life is suffering you special snowflake. You don't deserve shit by just breathing and spare me the tired excuses, if you don't want to make the sacrifices and effort necessary to improve your circumstances then you deserve to suffer.

I've lived in conservative strongholds as well. I've lived all kinds of places. Leftists are garbage everywhere.

And while I'm strongly into ecology, I'm very much in agreement with the right as far as many criticisms of the current state of the left's identity politics, and of course Marxists can all get hung as far as I'm concerned.

>Life is suffering
There isn't a single actual reason that needs to be the case.

If I wanted to read an honest criticism of capitalism I'd read Stirner not some screw up who couldn't even handle his own personal finances.

Now I truly know that you're 12.

reading over these threads just incurs general misanthropy

I'll stick to the aestheticizing of Cioran because there really does not seem to be much cosmic hope for this lot

>Life is suffering you special snowflake
To a certain extent, yes. But it's not a justification for egoism.

>You don't deserve shit by just breathing and spare me the tired excuses, if you don't want to make the sacrifices and effort necessary to improve your circumstances then you deserve to suffer.
Yes, of course, me and my colleagues in STEM getting making less of a living than an American Gender Studies tumblrina, factory workers' pay being below that of a restaurant waitress with half the hours (still WAY above what you cucks have in the West) and good half of those people just getting booted into the street because the New Money that started flowing through a gash in the Iron Curtain decided to build a shopping mall in the place of old assembly line because it allows them to make good money on the half that remains - that's all us not wanting to make sacrifices and effort!

Look at that little Cambodian faggot here - he's not putting in effort necessary to improve his circumstances! He deserves to suffer!

>(still WAY above what you cucks have in the West)
And for the raging clowns - I mean the hours here, not the pay.

>I've lived all kinds of places.
Bitch, you ever lived anywhere people make $0,20 an hour an consider it much better than what they'd have otherwise?

He didn't endorse Trump as much as express fear for what it means for leftst parties if Hillary "a cold warrior" won, basically his fear is that she represented a curated established figure with no meaningful world view or progressive ideologies.
Trump winning was in his mind at that time, seemingly, proof that the masses could overcome what they were being told to do by the leaders around them.

Then again Hillary won the popular vote so he was wrong about that. Trumps win was just a result of the convoluted ways we tally votes.

>See I can regurgitate a bunch of virtue signaling bullshit too.
Communism isn't the same thing as Marxist-Leninism, whose states most Leftists will call state capitalism. And how the fuck is that virtue signaling? This isn't Facebook or Tumblr, there's no one around to pat me on the back.
>Why would I listen to a bunch of sour-grapes who can't make it in a competitive environment?
>you lost the soccer game fair and square, why should I listen to your bitching?
>I didn't even want to play soccer, and the other team started with 20 points
>you don't deserve to be free by just breathing and spare me the tired excuses, if you don't want to make the sacrifices and efforts necessary to buy your freedom from me then you deserve to suffer

there was a time in my country, when all broadcasting of western films began with an introduction and an ideological criticism about some flaws in the films.

there were some good comments in them to be sure. but generally they were forgettable and dogmatic.

So, when compared to them, yes Zizek is good because at least he is creative and interesting.

>Bitch, you ever lived anywhere people make $0,20 an hour an consider it much better than what they'd have otherwise?

Do you think such people are fucking communists, you clueless faggot? Do you think they have ANYTHING in common with the concerns and interests of insufferable upper middle class Marxist intellectuals?

Stirner is an asswipe pf a long-dead parody of anarchism.

Marx is a dude that became one of the most influential people in human history with nothing but his writing.

>Do you think such people are fucking communists, you clueless faggot?
Yes. They actually are. There are whole countries of them. Just 30 years ago, there was most of the world of them.

> insufferable upper middle class Marxist intellectuals
I invite you here to look in the face of an insufferable upper middle class Marxist intellectual.

It's just so amazing - Americans really are incapable of imagining anything outside their comfy bubblescape.

More insufferable upper middle class Marxist intellectuals ITT.

See there it is the same old tired excuses. People have an incredible ability to meet their expectations, both high and low.

I came from a third world country and put in the effort to get the fuck out. I don't consider myself special in the slightest but if I did it then anyone could, shit I've met people who had it worst then I did before coming to America and yet they've made a better life for themselves. We live in globalized world where there's so many opportunities to move around and/or make money, the problem isn't capitalism it's people who don't have the balls to take advantage of what's presented to them.

>Look at that little Cambodian faggot here - he's not putting in effort necessary to improve his circumstances! He deserves to suffer!

Actually he is putting efforts to improve his circumstances because he wouldn't be in that factory if pay wasn't better and if the alternatives weren't worst. Here's a fun fact in the early 2000's the UN shut down a sweat-shop full of child laborers in Bengal thinking they did good, they came back several years later to find out that many of the kids turned to crime, prostitution, loss their limbs and/or their lives moving on to more dangerous jobs.

Lol, sure thing.

Raping, murdering hordes of thugs terrorizing locals and slaughtering innocent families are true leftists.

Well, I agree, this is what leftists are in practice. They're nothing but thugs and need to be gunned down, and always are in the end when one of their own inevitably rises above the other suckers and puts them in their place.

>because he wouldn't be in that factory if pay wasn't better and if the alternatives weren't worst
Why are the alternatives worse? Is it just some concrete fact of existence, or is it because of historical reasons similar to the English Enclosures where farmers were forced off their land so that they'd have no other option but to work in the new factories?

People go to dirt-poor villages throughout the world all the time and say how happy the people there are even though they have very little, why would those same people decide to leave their ancestral way of life, home, friends, and family to go work 12 hours a day in a factory with horrible working conditions? When people go to sweatshops they never talk about how happy the workers are, they talk about the suicide prevention nets.

>I came from a third world country and put in the effort to get the fuck out
Good for you. I know you're probably not very good with math, but there is not enough space for all of us in the First World. There are hundreds of thousands of places for people like you - and good 5 billions people who would feel great there.

And half of the damn Golden Billion it is already pissed with us flocking in.

And then there are all of us who don't feel like taking off and leaving people behind with more weight on their shoulders, who would prefer to build up with what we have here without being an honorary house nigger for people who despise us.

> Here's a fun fact in the early 2000's the UN shut down a sweat-shop full of child laborers in Bengal thinking they did good, they came back several years later to find out that many of the kids turned to crime, prostitution, loss their limbs and/or their lives moving on to more dangerous jobs.
SO HOLY SHIT - WHAT YOU TAKE OUT OF THAT IS NOT THAT THE WHOLE SYSTEM THAT ENDS UP WITH 10YO PROSTITUTES IS ROTTEN TO THE CORE AND NEEDS TO DIE - IT'S THAT SWEATSHOPS ARE RATHER NICE ALL THINGS CONSIDERED?

You're human trash on so many levels.