Why does Captain America hate America?

Why does Captain America hate America?

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>Captain America doing that to Nuke

Frank Miller must be turning in his grave.

Because he loves the American Dream.

What the hell does he think happened in Japan? D-Did no one tell him?

I know at least Heroes Reborn Cap was explicitly against dropping the bomb. I think most other versions of him were on ice before it was a thing, although the rest of the Invaders were right pissed about it.

He hates that America has the potential to be better, but chooses not to be. We win, but we win in the wrong way. We leave too many people behind along the way. Because being good and just is difficult.

But so long as there is that chance for us to become better, to live up to the dream, he fights for that chance. Some people still believe in that dream. And that means that there is still hope.

>the guy writing him now is a Hillaryfag

oh the irony

Do you spend time with Hillaryfags? They have no fucking clue what she actually stands for. You bring up how she makes most of the Republican establishment look like peace-loving isolationists, and they'll either be shocked or outright call you a liar.

Similar to how Trumpfags often think he's some great candidate because he's a successful businessman, with no awareness of how many unsuccessful business he has, or how many xenophobic or sexist remarks he throws around that they'd castrate any other politician for saying.

Or how Establishmentfags truly believe they're required to vote for one of two people that the oligarchy forces them to.

>or how many xenophobic or sexist remarks he throws around that they'd castrate any other politician for saying.
>Implying that's not what's made him so popular.

Where is this from?

some people pretend to care about politics to fit in, it's like rooting for a sports team for them

I'm not talking about the people who know full well what he thinks and still like him.

Granted, I think there are more Trumpfags who know what he's about than there are Hillaryfags who know what she wants.

>We win, but we win in the wrong way

Some enemies only understand steel and fire.

What is inconsistent about this with say, Born Again? It's okay for Cap to be frustrated by a Nuke who's been given the opportunity for change.

yeah he was in the ice before even VE day I think

Yeah, you're definitely right. No one bothers to think about whether or not marriage rights and welfare are related concepts, they just bundle them together with their political platforms the way you put together TV and Internet.

And they don't even really pick what they bundle based on any coherent thought. They have some platform they care about, and they pick their team based on that. They then ingest their team's entire platform, because tribalism is more important than critical thought. Then they hate the other person's team with fiery passion, even though that guy is just as stupid.

Like the US?

youtube.com/watch?v=2AYujWCCHRk

There is no serious policy in the national political game anymore. That's not just an American thing, either.

I just think she's the only one with a chance to win and really hoping Bernie pulls the party hard left.

It's impossible to properly define your enemies without defining your methods at the same time.

>kill 3000 Americans
>America kills hundreds of thousands of Middle
Easterners and utterly crushes any army fielded against it

Very good move on their part, Osama really thought that one out.

That comic shop criticism
>"Yeah we got BOTH KINDS of comics, Marvel AND DC!"
apparently doesn't apply to political contests.

Remender's Captain America

What does Bernie's cock taste like?

The only one with a chance to win out of who? Also, who cares? To what end?

>America gets stuck in two horrifically unpopular wars with no definable end, propping up governments on the verge of becoming failed states
>Insurgency and extremism rise all around the world
Y that really seems a win. I mean it's not like Vietnam! Or South America!

Not that user, but if you don't even have the wit to make your barb political, you should remove yourself from the debate.

We got your far-right big government authoritarians over there, and we got your center-right bigger government authoritarians over there. Real selection!

"What about that rack over there?"

Get out.

>And still can't win the fucking war

You americunts really never learn a single thing, do you?

You always fail when you try to invade by yourselves and you always go against mountain people heads on like fucking retards.

That's absolutely not true.

Like over-regulation with a little bit of theft.

Perhaps you misread everything I just posted, you idiot.

K.

Well, it's really not that bad in SA anymore. They ain't actively targeting Americans now. Although you will get a lot of hatred from older generations depending in which country you are. In Panama an old man beat the crap out of me in bar.

Sorry, but I don't debate with SJWs and redditors. It'd just be a waste of braincells.

Not even the fact that nothing I said should have led him to thinking I was a Berniefag at any point.

I thought he was put on ice in the 50s after the war.

>In Panama an old man beat the crap out of me in bar.
That sounds like a fun story.

Ah, you're one of those libertarian retards, the dumbest of them all.

You seem like a man who uses the term "red pill" often and unironically.

> le vietnam meme

Not even american, but america only left when the commies accept their demands. The next president basically lost a war that was already won.

I don't use any words invented by tr*ns people, fucko.

You sound like an assblasted Eurofag.

Go to sleep, the adults are talking.

You can sleep comfortably knowing your big bro America is protecting you because you're utterly incapable of doing it yourself.

Vietnam was neither a success nor a good thing for America. It was not a war to 'win'.

> xenophobic or sexist

Cry wolf enough and nobody cares about those anymore.

Keep trying.

> stopped communist revolutions spreading from near Vietnam
> not a good thing

>I don't use any words invented by tr*ns people
>tr*ns people

What do you define as winning? Enemy state and army destroyed, new government established, al queda in Iraq crushed (a void not filled until ISIS), populace freed from oppressive dictator. The government failing to properly represent it's people is the fault of the Iraqis who couldn't understand equal representation for their constituents even though it's written into their constitution. America trained the Iraqi army for years, again that is the fault of the Iraqis for abandoning their posts, not America. If anything the Afghanistan conflict was less successful even though the Taliban was also crushed and chases away from the cities and into the mountains where they were hunted down. Billions of dollars later I think the only real concrete failure of the US was not learning the lesson that muslims don't want freedom or democracy, don't understand these things on a fundamental level, and should just be left to their own explosive devices.

You heard me, bitch.

>muh Paris Peace Accords
No, stop it. The PPA did absolutely nothing to stop the PAVN from coming into the South and launching attacks against US/Southern personnel and infrastructure.

To be fair Japan should have anticipated building a military base in the middle of a city might result in some civilian casualties.

ISIS very directly originates from the American invasion of Iraq.

this is a joke, right?

You seem angry.

Something familiar will help you calm down.

If you win your war leaving behind an unstable state, a bigger terrorist problem than you had before and an impoverished and much more dangerous region, you didn't win your fucking war.

It was not. I was in Old Panama. I went to some sleasy bar. Some guys saw my tiny flag on my backpack. One old man, one of those mother fuckers that look like fucking Popeye, came to me and all of a sudden punched me in the face. Then he started kicking my ribs and my stomach and got me broken nose.

For a second i thought i was going to get shanked. But then another guy took me out of there and left me somewhere i cant really remember.

Then i went to a hospital and kinda decided to stay the fuck away from Old Panama City. Although this happened in 2011. I heard good things about the place since then. That it has changed and all that.

Currently living in Costa Rica. Might go to Panama again if it is true.

to be fair, hes not really a Hillaryfag as much as just a democrat in general who doesn't trust Sanders and his fakedemocrat attempts to get elected

Is this some kind of "negging" thing you learned in your MRA forums?

Yeah.

>The PPA did absolutely nothing

Because next president didn't enforce them. Of course the communists got bold when they noticed that taking small villages and positions in violation wasn't causing a reaction.

The war was won, america enforced the accords. It's the next administration who failed to keep them working.

Thanks for sharing anyway.

>expecting modern comic writers to not butcher characters

Haha, what a dummy. Just stop reading stuff written by idiots who try to use characters as their mouthpiece.

Spencer worked for an unknown democrat politician before getting into comics and is a very definite Clinton supporter IIRC.

So what you're saying is, the US can make a completely ignored treaty, not even try to enforce it, and they somehow "won"?

>The war was won
The enemy continued to wage the war and the enemy state was not pacified. Please stop spewing the usual /k/ bullshit.
Warfare is an extension of politics, no amount of "muh k/d" will change this. End of story.

>Just stop reading stuff written by idiots who try to use characters as their mouthpiece.
But Born Again does that. And so does Suicide Squad.

And your point is?

Why wouldn't he?

Both of those comics are really, really great and do very good work with their characters.

How about I poz that asshole you tranny faggot

I have not read those and cannot speak for those two comics, whomever replied to me is retarded because if someone's work is just the writer using the comic as his own personal political blog, then there is no way it can be good, since his target audience will only me equally retarded people.

After the accords Vietnam got in peace for months. It was with the new administration that it went to hell.

> The enemy continued to wage the war and the enemy state was not pacified.

Not true. The commies had stopped and only started again when the heard of the commotion going on America.

> Warfare is an extension of politics, no amount of "muh k/d" will change this.

So you beat your enemy, enforce your demands, then you lose power months later because of domestic politics to a stupid successor who completely ignores what you have done for popularity points and somehow you lost that war?

Did Britain lose WW1 too because Hitler teared the accords years later?

Like pure democracy, user...gobble it up.

The problem is it's not as clear cut as that. Just consider how ludicrous that idea is applied outside of comics alone. Books shouldn't be political? Art shouldn't be political? Film shouldn't be political?

If something is political to the exclusion of all else (and by 'all else' all that really needs to mean is 'quality', which isn't really the same thing because a bad thing is bad whether or not it's political) then that can fail. But making a political point in a work, even one the author is sincere - even dogmatic - in supporting does not mean "there is no way it can be good".

Also WTF are you doing reading comics and not having read Daredevil Born Again. Get that shit read.

Which is a sad, sad thing. Although I believe in that people are inherently good, but I hate the fact that being right in an argument has become more important than learning.

>Although I believe in that people are inherently good
I don't, but I do agree that the washout of policy in national political debates is a sad, sad thing.

>cap will never be president

feels bad man

>Did Britain lose WW1 too because Hitler teared the accords years later?
user, months =/= years. The PPA was signed in '73, and the North continued that same year (they stopped fighting for all of half a month). Hell, Carter didn't come into office until late '73, well after the Accords were routinely flouted.
If you can't enforce a treaty for a month (or remove the enemy from the country), you in no way, shape or form "won". But I've had this convo a million times on Sup Forums, so I'm just gonna stop.

at least he's not just hamburger propaganda

I think censoring trans is the funniest thing I've seen all day. Or week, actually.

> Soviet Union
> Demands being heard

Did Cap hit his head?

>implying that isnt in character for Cap

sorry he's not a conservative warmongering fuckboy. he never was.

All these people trying to paint Hillary as some kind of warhawk make me laugh so hard. What has she ever done that makes her a hawk? Vote yes for the Iraq war like most of her fellow party members did?

It sure as hell wasn't her husband who did everything he could to avoid getting his hands too dirty in a conflict, settling for bombing campaigns and deploying special forces like Obama.

She was all about promoting Obama's policy of dealing from a position of weakness when she was Sec of State.

So please tell me what makes her so warlike.

Please respect my beliefs.

You are fucking stupid if you think I'm applying this outside of comic books. Comics are fucking comics, not works of high art. I'm talking about established characters being butchered by writers trying to win brownie points by hamfisting some immature, undeveloped, """"political"""" point into a character's dialog. There are good ways to do it and there are bad ways to do it, most I've seen so far have been cringe-worthy bad and only someone with equally immature and undeveloped political views would properly enjoy.

Try baiting Sup Forums with that.

How and why is US important at all to EU? Nobody wants to buy your shit yet you keep throwin billions of dollars so that we do. Granted, we do buy that shit but only because it's "easy". Without US EU would be so much better off, along with the rest of the world. States is too fucking large to be a cohesive nation, just split already. Also fuck the European Union.

He didn't. This is not an audible board.

>the words, "try again," reflect anger
Try harder.

No, but this is what most Hillaryfags are, and it's actually WORSE than being an actual Hillary fan. Most of them just care about their party, like user said as though it's a sports team. Hillary is the super star of the team, and Bernie is some dude who just came over to win a championship, and his stats are stuff only advanced analytics people care about.

D-FENSE!! D-FENSE!!

> Eastern Europe

Top kek. Ask any person who lived in 'Eastern Europe' if they want 'equality' again.

Cap went full retard.

>Comics are fucking comics, not works of high art
user pleas. Read Cerebus or From Hell.

>Comics are fucking comics, not works of high art
Opinion invalidated right here.

Also, if you were arguing for a more specific point than you actually said - you should have phrased it better in the first place. You were the one putting it out there that Ostrander's Suicide Squad and Daredevil Born Again could not be good because they are to some extent political mouthpieces. Calling people "fucking stupid" for not making your own argument clear really is fucking stupid.

>There are good ways to do it and there are bad ways to do it

can you provide examples for both?

because honestly i suspect you just get butthurt when a hero espouses a oint that contradicts your own beliefs. otherwise why get mad at Cap's in character outburst when fighting nuke.

> Without US EU would be so much better off

Yeah, keep insulting the americans who actually saved your asses in two world wars and the cold war.

But I agree, the world would be much better off: harsh stalinism and/or national socialism would surely purge all of you idiots.

Nobody has a legitimate opinion on Cap fighting Nuke out-of-character if they haven't read Frank Miller's Born Again IMO. That is literally the foundation reading on the subject.

Sadly it isnt censoring it, it's more like being more inclusive since not all retards associate with trans hence the *. Fucking retards.

>two world wars

You assholes did jackshit in those wars.

>amerifats still taking credit for WWII

all the burgers have gone to your brain lad

glorious soviet union were the real heroes

I mean, people want to do good deeds inherently but they want personal gain more, and most people actually do gain from being "good".

Dubya Dubya Deuce was a team-effort and you know it.

>I hate the fact that being right in an argument has become more important than learning.
This. It's the root of problems in just about every walk of life I deal with. Sports fandom, work, politics, this thread, mass media, etc.

Hell there's an user in this thread who thinks you're dumb for saying that.

Yeah thanks for coming for our help for that(LATE as you fuckers always do) but nobody wanted you to be the police. Also, fucking tiny finland did more for world politics in the cold war than you fuckers.

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