So I just watched Avatar, lhe last airbender for the first time in my life, and the show was pretty good.
But am I the only one that really hate what they did with azula? Imo the best character in the show, and i realize how the bad guys "have to" lose, but watching that last scene with her was pretty bad.
>unstable psycho snaps like a twig
to be fair its probably the most well handled part of the finale
It didn't come out of no where. She'd been losing her shit for most of the season.
If she didn't self-destruct then, than she would've later.
I think it was okay for her to lose her shit, considering she lost everything else. The only thing she still had was her home and her status. Not even one friend.
She is not even 14. It's too much for a kid.
Azula's a psychopath what happened to her was gonna happen anyway.
Stop bullying her. Look at this pic and tell me she is a psychopath again. I dare you.
She was always an unhinged child that attention deprived. It's almost sad that there wasn't much redemption for her.
Unless something happened in the comics. I personally haven't read it, but from the few pages I've seen posted around, it looks like garbage
She is a psychopath.
Yes user thats exactly how they control you like a puppet let their faces give you a false sense of security, there is no human inside that head just a vile beast ready to destroy anything to make it happy.
....you closed your eyes. It doesn't count.
Would a beast cry in need of a hug?
she's a psycho
also your impersonation is terrible
She's supposed to have daddy-issues up the ass, almost to the point where she's got an elektra complex and she replaced her mom as the woman in her Ozai's life, but it didn't come across that way.
Chalk it up to Bryke being incompetent
Crocodile tears faggot, psychos can cry at will.
>she's a psycho
No. She is just manipulated by her awful parents. She is a literal child soldier.
Did Scrapped escape his permaban?
Shes hasno daddy issues shes an unhinged psychopath that wants nothing but power, she would have probably eventually try to murder Ozai if he didnt forked over the crown honestly.
She doesn't cry for attention. She cries because she can't control her emotions. Look at the end of The search, when she decided to run away instead of killing her mother.
Azula is a psychopath, but things really started going downhill when the few people she trusted left her.
She learned to trust Zuko and he left her
Mai betrayed her
Ty Lee betrayed her
Ozai became the Phoenix King
Also, she's 14, she's going to get emotional.
just a bad impersonator
he was perma-banned? for what?
>Azula is a psychopath
>literally didn't kill anyone in the entire show
0/10
there was an attempt
only one person, on the battlefield, and with strict orders from the firelord. Killing people on the battlefield doesn't make you a psychopath, and there is no way to deny an order from the firelord.
Her parents had nothing to do with it.
She's power-hungry and manipulates people through intimidation. She doesn't know how to form normal relationships with people.
I'll bite
You don't have to kill someone to be a psychopath
>onscreen
he's trying to impersonate a well known tripfag
dont bother
>She's power-hungry and manipulates people through intimidation
she didn't come with that from birth. She learned because they taught her that way, that she had to do everything to win. The firelord does not accept failure. That's why Zuko was so afraid of him finding out Aang was alive. She doesn't know how to form a normal relationship with people because she was never allowed to. She only had teachers and followers that she thought were her friends.
You can't possibly think a 13 years old will have the strength of character to even go against her father.
yeah, because all it takes is a biased and subjective analysis of a character with complex and fucked up relationships in her life.
>Azula is a psychopath, but things really started going downhill when the few people she trusted left her.
Or rather, the people she trusted to never disobey her. Ty Lee made it clear from the get go that she would have rather stayed with the circus rather than help her hunt down the Avatar. She had to use threats to get her in line.
Mai just went along with her, and when she did finally betray, she flat out said it was because she loved Zuko more than she FEARED Azula, which seems to suggest that she wasn't going along with Azula because she legitimately cared about her as a friend. She didn't feel at all emotionally conflicted about turning on her.
The only person that she seemed to legitimately get along with due to mutual affection was her dad, who was a psychopath himself that repeatedly showed that he valued his children only when they remained strong/useful.
Part of her mental breakdown involved her imagining her mom saying that she legitimately cared for her. Unconditionally. Not because she was afraid of her, or needed her, or respected her competence.
Azula started crumbling when everything she thought she had control over (by being a ruthless manipulator and warrior) started slipping away from her.
The whole "falling into depravity as a nutcase" was so out of character.
When I marathoned Avatar, it give me the impression that Azula was simply a former brat(due to her rich heritage) that had her blossom into manipulator.
The final part and the parts leading up to it was just so cringe-worthy and it was just to make Azula seem more "final-bossy" for Zuko and Katara.
>headcanon
that's because she normally acts more mature and we kind of forget that she is actually a kid in the middle of war and all the political drama that left her completely alone.
just posting best ship.
Azula was showing signs since her first appearance that there was something "wrong" with her. How she basically forced Ty Lee to join her is a really big red flag, but everyone always ignores it for some reason.
That's the thing. They didn't characterize her having a childish attitude that she should've been known for. Instead, they just was like "all fuck it, she's a psycho".
And the fact they make Ursa and Iroh like perfect Saints who can do no wrong in the series despite never giving Azula a feasible chance only further worsen the exposition to this subpar writing.
She was a psycho from the beginning. She flipped out because a strand of her hair was out of place and threatened to kill an officer for pointing out the dangers of trying to navigate a particularly dangerous stretch of water.
She threw rocks at baby ducks, was happy when her father maimed her older brother, and teased him about the fact that dad was going to kill him.
Azula was always fucked up.
Azula gets a chance in the comics and she blows it. She's not ready for it yet. Her story is either going to end with her dead or being redeemed, and since it's ATLA, she'll probably be redeemed. The problem is the conflict between her, Zuko and the FNRF is the most popular storyline to come out of the comics, so they're dragging it out.
She doesn't get one in the show because she's not a main protagonist and it's not about her, it's about them.
>the fact they make Ursa and Iroh like perfect Saints
>Ursa
>literally abandoned her daughter and forgot about her
shit mother.
I think they're saying that canon doesn't make Ursa look like a bad person for what she did. Azula even breaks down crying and runs away when she apologizes.
Jesus fucking christ, how is anyone expected to read that shit? The orange and red text bleeds right into the image.
>gets a chance
"i will not treat you as bad as i have been" is hardly a chance. Also, she was halucinating so i doubt it counts.
And Smoke and shadow is so inconsistent with her that it's best not to consider it.
I think that's the point of the text, to get close enough to read it. At least, that's how I interpreted.
Either that or whoever made that is lazy as fuck.
Don't. It's so sad..
it was a bit hard to swallow that Azusa lost to katara during the day of the comet, then again katara did only manage to win with a sneak attack when Azusa was careless, which is quite easy to imagine.
>You can't possibly think a 13 years old will have the strength of character to even go against her father.
Psychopaths can act like jerks to anyone even fucking babies they have no morals at all.
>Scrapped
Who?
She was 14
And apparently she went to an elitist Fire Nation school before getting tutored by Lo and Li.
>Psychopaths can act like jerks to anyone even fucking babies they have no morals at all.
the point is that she is NOT a psychopath. She didn't kill, or intended to kill anyone outside of the battlefield. She is just as manipulated as the people she manipulates. Also, psychopath or not, this is not just 'acting like a jerk'. It's disrespecting the fucking firelord. She can measure her own actions.
14 by the end, no?
>She didn't kill, or intended to kill anyone outside of the battlefield
That probably has more to do with the show's ratings than anything.
Pretty sure she was 14 in Book 2.
Listen retardo a psychopath is a human being that shows calllous emotions, grandiose sense of self worth, no empathy towards others, impulsive behavior, pathological lying, lack of accountability, manipulative behavior not HURR HES GOT THE KNIFE AND GONNA STABS YOU.
>her blossom into manipulator.
By blossom, you mean "plot bends towards Azula's will".
A lot of her plans are pretty dumb in hindsight and it's a wonder they came together as well as they did.
Guys, do we really want to spend hours arguing with one guy on whether Azula was a psychopath or not?
Going by that logic, most famous rich females and bitchy reality TV stars are psychopaths.
Azula was never given the need to form relations with other society members since she was sheltered 90% of her short life of 14 years.
'Cause the Gaang were a group of dumb kids who weren't basically raised to be war machines.
That said years later looking back at it, her talking down Lon Feng was pretty dumb.
>She didn't kill, or intended to kill anyone outside of the battlefield
Except for that Fire Nation officer in her first appearance. And when she pressured the owner of the Fire Nation circus to put Ty Lee into increasingly life threatening acts until Ty Lee finally relented in helping her hunt down the Avatar.
And she was the most ruthless character on the battlefield. She actually killed Aang.
And she responded with happiness at the sight of her brother being disfigured and upon learning he was going to be killed by their father.
>Going by that logic, most famous rich females and bitchy reality TV stars are psychopaths.
Yes user you figured out most successful people are psychopaths want a fucking cookie?
Socializing is human instinct user, Azula knows how to socialize but she cant fathom emotional bonds because shes a psychopath she only understands logic and thus thinks fear is necessary to make relationships she cant contemplate the concept of love in any form.
Worst, its probably Scrapper.
If it is really him, I know at least one way to make him go away.
Well, yeah. So are most rich and famous men. Psychopaths can excel and succeed because they don't have the ability to feel remorse or to empathize with people.
>Going by that logic, most famous rich females and bitchy reality TV stars are psychopaths.
A lot of them are. Most psychopaths aren't actual murderers, you know.
Azula threads are always either about whether or not shes a psychopath or explaining to people how she did technically lose the Agni Kai due to her own shortcomings and that no, Katara was not randomly standing between her and Zuko.
How so? I don't remember everything Azula had done, but I remember her plans being consistent throughout the story. I only remember her most famous moment of her being the closest to come to killing Aang(even in Avatar state too, to break the cycle).
The only dumb thing she said was burning Ba Sing Se down without giving thought of it's economical uses, which pretty much displays her immaturity meaning the plot doesn't really revolve around her.
I never implied she was.
>tfw people in this thread are accusing me of samefagging with this guy and some tripfag named Scrapper
>I never implied she was.
Then I'm not sure why you would think it some kind of surprise or logical absurdity that lots of reality TV stars are psychopaths.
Well, a lot of things.
I loved Azula as a character.
But she was also a horrible person.
But on the other other hand, she was a very mentally ill child. So yes, I do feel sorry for her, feel pity for her. She still had to go down because she was so dangerous.
Overall, a very well-done villain arc, one of the best in recent memory, I think. I remember it spurred a lot of engagement, discussion, and emotions for every side while it was happening, which is what a good story should do. She was one of the better bad guys for a long while, especially in cartoons.
The point I was neither Azula or the categories I listed are psychopaths. People act different from the level of political power they carry.
As someone else mention already, she was raised to be a Commander and this quantifiable control she had over the Fire Nation only amplified her manipulative personality. And the wrapping around the fact she's a fucking child only causes her to be erratic like most left-brain thinkers would.
Before the bullshit that went down in the comics, she didn't carry traits that made her innately a psychopath.
>daddy will kill you daddy will kill you, haha
Speaking of our infamous pedophile, I haven't seen him on Sup Forums for a while. Did the cops get him already?
>As someone else mention already, she was raised to be a Commander and this quantifiable control she had over the Fire Nation only amplified her manipulative personality.
But we see lots of Fire Nation people and they're not all like Azula, Ozai, and Ozai's father. Even Sozin wasn't as bad as Ozai and Azula. They're cruel, manipulative, and remorseless even by most Fire Nation standards.
I think you could write an interesting redemption story for her, if just depends. She was kind of love-starved. The comics sort of seem like bullshit from what I've seen but I haven't read them.
The comics are like a 6/10 because Yang doesn't know how to write what are frankly some pretty complex plots, and like it's been said, Zuko and has family have emerged as the stars of the series so they have to keep coming up with reasons to keep shifting the focus back to them.
>oh Zuko is having trouble being a good Fire Lord
>well that isn't resolved but he's starting to learn
>actually now he needs to find Ursa and fix things with Azula
>hey we found Ursa but now Azula's run off
>things in the Fire Nation are looking shaky, at least Azula's come back so we can- nope she's gone again
There is never any moment she shows any sign of empathizing wit others shes a psychopath like her dad.
Truth be told we could argue that Zuko pre good guy was every bit as crazy as Azula maybe more so. Kid had a huge inferiority complex, only matched by the chip on his shoulder. Extremely sharp and harsh mood swings. Would lash out physically at the drop of a hat. And all because of his father complex. Though he, unlike Azula, had his mother and uncle who loved him and saw the good in him. And just like Zuko we can attribute Azula's behavior directly to her father. Constantly under pressure to be the best or be burnt like her brother. But unlike him she had no safety net. If she falls that's it. And that's an insane amount weight to bare as a child. Was Azula crazy? Yes, but by definition she does not exhibit enough traits to be labeled a psychopath. She was a schizophrenic when it was all said done though.
Well there's Ty Lee. From what we know Azula could do the one thing that nobody even her parents couldn't. She could always pick her out of her identical sisters. It's something apparently means slot to Ty Lee. Maybe not understanding but it a certain bond that they share. Azula obviously held Ty Lee close to her heart. She was pissed when Mei turned her and halfway expected it but I feel it was Ty Lee's betrayal that broke her. This is something a psychopath cannot exhibit.
>Truth be told we could argue that Zuko pre good guy was every bit as crazy as Azula maybe more so. Kid had a huge inferiority complex, only matched by the chip on his shoulder. Extremely sharp and harsh mood swings. Would lash out physically at the drop of a hat. And all because of his father complex. Though he, unlike Azula, had his mother and uncle who loved him and saw the good in him. And just like Zuko we can attribute Azula's behavior directly to her father. Constantly under pressure to be the best or be burnt like her brother. But unlike him she had no safety net. If she falls that's it. And that's an insane amount weight to bare as a child. Was Azula crazy? Yes, but by definition she does not exhibit enough traits to be labeled a psychopath. She was a schizophrenic when it was all said done though.
Azula had the same loving mother and uncle Zuko did.
We saw them being raised together, and where Zuko was trying to feed and pet animals, she was throwing rocks at them.
When Zuko got a present from Uncle Iroh, he showed appreciation. Azula showed utter disdain for her gift and burned it.
When Zuko found himself in Agni Kai with his father following a compassionate outburst, he refused to fight and begged for forgiveness. Azula smiled with pleasure as her father permanently disfigured her brother.
When their grandpa died, Zuko was forlorn. Azula was happy.
When Azula found out that her father was about to KILL her brother, she teased him about it.
My brother and I got into it a lot too, but I didn't burn my uncle's gifts, call my grandpa weak for getting killed, or laugh at the idea of my dad maiming/killing my brother.
>She could always pick her out of her identical sisters. It's something apparently means slot to Ty Lee. Maybe not understanding but it a certain bond that they share. Azula obviously held Ty Lee close to her heart. She was pissed when Mei turned her and halfway expected it but I feel it was Ty Lee's betrayal that broke her. This is something a psychopath cannot exhibit.
She had to force Ty Lee to join her by threatening to make her life a living hell if she didn't. If Ty Lee were her friend and shared her views on the topic, she wouldn't have needed to be threatened.
Ty Lee wasn't torn up for turning on her "friend" Azula. Ty Lee just finally got fed up with doing things she knew weren't in her nature, but did because Azula was threatening/bullying her.
Azula broke down because she was losing control over people she thought she had firmly under her thumb. The same way the abuser in a relationship will go bonkers when the person they've been shitting on finally stands up, says, "No more", and dumps their ass.
>Except for that Fire Nation officer in her first appearance
she just threatened
>when she pressured the owner of the Fire Nation circus to put Ty Lee into increasingly life threatening acts
she knew Ty lee would not fall.
>She actually killed Aang.
no, she didn't.
>she responded with happiness at the sight of her brother being disfigured
that's an exageration.
Iron and her mother actually played extremely small roles in her upbringing. The episode you're getting all these facts from(noticed I didn't quote facts to because all this shit really did happen)shows little interaction between Azula and Ursa or Azula and Iroh. All through out that episode it's Ursa comforting Zuko and scolding(rightfully so)Azula. And in the episode Fire Island Azula shows weakness and refers to herself as a monster. Not because she saw herself but her mother did. And that kind of fucks with you. Now I'm gonna try to address some points you brought up. The burning of the doll and chucking rocks at ducks. Kids are assholes. I helped run a daycare for a while and I had kids break toys I would give them because that's not the one the wanted. They also would hurl rocks at the neighbors dog because it was fucking there. Does that inherently make them evil. No. Kids are just little shits. Now I will give you the Agni Kai and grandpa thing. That's fucked up. I mean my sisters laughed at me while I got my ass whooped but that's not chucking fire at each other. Now let me try and make this as perfectly clear as possible I'm not trying to excuse Azula at all but I am saying she like Zuko is the product of a fucked up family.
They should have removed one of the useless aesop episodes and make one azula centric one after she jails her friends.
In that you could properly show the strain she is going through. Imagine an episode where a bored azula tries to find new friends, but fails because everyone fears her&she can't trust nobody. And her father gives her the crown when she feels most vulnerable and angry after this episode.
Funny part about that comic is that it made Azula correct that her Ursa hallucination was wrong.
Yeah Ursa was indeed piece of shit.
That honestly just feels like another beach episode
but more boring because there's less exposition
Such a young kid shouldn't be placed in the position she was, though she could have handled it better. Though the thing is as horrible as the other kids had it, they did all have adults who loved them. I think it's very hard for a child to grow up well adjusted if nobody loves them.
Well one way or the other we could have used one less shitty filler episode in Book 3.
Maybe they could have given us another Toph episode, something to help us pretend that Bryke didn't hate her and had no idea what to do with her?
Fucking Christ I don't like Book 3. It's eerie how much Bryke are like Lucas. Book 3 is their Return of the Jedi. It has flashes of brilliance but compared to the first two books it just doesn't measure up.
i don't remember azula being that busty.
Normally she's wearing armor.
>that scene where sokka and aang are fighting azula and she jumps into the air
>she and sokka are face to face moving in slow motion
wew
that scene was weird and i thought they were doing a surprise ship
Definitely shipped that for a hot second
>Most of the season
>Completely stable for two-thirds of that season
Not saying she wouldn't have lost it when Mai and Ty Lee turned on her, but like most things in Book 3 it was rushed as hell and unsatisfying. I especially hate the way it felt like the writers were actively gimping her rather than having Zuko organically overcoming her, he learns a whole new Firebending form and becomes a better person and the only way he stands a chance against her is if she's completely fucking nuts. It neuters his accomplishments. Not to mention having Katara lock her up in chains because they needed something for to do in the finale, because again, rushed as hell and unsatisfying.
hngg
I'm pretty sure they were all a lot bigger in that episode than they normally were.
i'm convinced that there is only one person on Sup Forums that thinks azula wasnt always crazy and then really started to lose her shit for a whole season
there just isnt any way
or why you dipshits keep arguing with these idiots
I was certainly a lot bigger during that episode, if you know what I mean.
She's wearing the equivalent of a push-up bra, she noticed all the attention Ty Lee was getting at the beach.
Fucking great, but I haven't heard of this. Anyone have the story?
Sokka is a fucking pimp.
There is literally nothing that Sup Forums will not make weird