I just finished The finale of The Sopranos

Can we discuss the ending?

My first impressions, coming from someone who has never heard about 'the ending' from YouTube or people who have watched the show: it was definitely satisfying in that it made me think and it left an impression on me - but can I get a rundown on what popular opinion is? Theories?

Also, was killing off most of the main characters in the finals episodes one of those "bad guys never win" things? Especially how when guys like Chrissy, Bobby and Silvio die their deaths are quite insignificant in that they only get a couple minutes each for their funerals or we don't get too see how their deaths affect the other characters for any significant time.

Or is this supposed to show the how morbid life is? The "what are you gonna do?" quote comes up in every second episode - that's significant right?[/spoilers]

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Nothing happens after the cut to black. That's where the story ends.

>their deaths are quite insignificant

Except their deaths are the reasons Tony's crew resents him, and ultimately whacks him.

What show were you watching?

They resented him for the entire six seasons. Except Sil, Bobby and Chris die in the last couple of episodes.

Wait, did silvio die at the end? I though him and pauly walnuts made it.

Tony also never got whacked, he lived the rest of his life always looking over his shoulder

The last scene with Silvio was him hooked up to the life support machines like Tony. He appears in a stable condition, so he probably made it.

Sil in coma

Lilyhammer has a couple things in it that basically point to it being sils coma dream but the shows not good enough to earn it

Rewatch the scene where they are in the safe house and ask Tony to come with them to see Sil in the hospital, and how they react when Tony refuses. For 6 seasons they've watched Tony get his own guys killed or kill them himself. They probably had enough of his shit.

Patsy has some weird expressions when he's meeting Meadow with his son at their house too, there are a lot of hints as to guys that might be feeling like Tony needs to 'go'

I was replying more to the "and ultimately whacks him" part of your post.

>Tony also never got whacked, he lived the rest of his life always looking over his shoulder

damn... really gabbas the gool

>We will never find out if that rapper Bobby shot made it in the rap game.

>TFW they whacked Sil and not Paulie.

tfw paulie walnuts won the sopranos

>Tony never fucked MILFi.

>damn... really gabbas the gool

nice

>he thinks it matters if tony died in the end

That was my dad's interpretation of it. I think there was enough foreshadowing of Tony's death in Season 6B that he probably was shot.

>Bobby Bacala talking about how you never hear it coming when referencing shooting the deer in the episode "Sopranos Home Movies"
>Silvio sitting across from Johnny Tortiano and not knowing what was happening until after the shot is fired in the episode "Stage Five"

In both of those instances the characters specifically talk about not hearing the shot that kills you and I think that's enough foreshadowing to indicate Tony caught one in the head from the Member's Only jacket guy coming out of the bathroom

Also Tony was shot from the right, which in military parlance is his "3 'o' clock" which is what Mikey Palmice told Chris to warn Paulie and Tony about during Christopher's dreams in "From Where to Eternity"

I just finished season 4, does it get better?

yes

Season 5 is steve buscemi season. You'd be a real Fanook to stop now

thanks.

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in

The DiMeo crime family is a fucking joke without Tony, he kept it from crashing all those years.

I didn't start appreciating the show until my second viewing.

Tony is obviously dead. Open shot from the bathroom. Meadow walked in and saw everything. Case Closed.

Now lets talk about why Uncle Junior was faking the whole time and orchestrated everything

he was conspiring with Little Carmine to take over

All scores were settled in the final episode and Tony wasn't whacked. Wake up, you stupid moulinyans.

DON'T STOP

tfw paulie is now completely alone and is absorbed by New York

You're not funny and nobody is laughing at this

I wonder if he has what it takes to work his way up again, or his pride is going to get in the way of him. I can't imagine New York giving some new guy from an old competitor in his sixties any special treatment.

That final scene with him tanning outside the pork store alone highlights that his entire is dead mostly thanks to Tony, in fact he almost killed Paulie on that boat ride

Tony was symbolically the devil. If you watch that scene where Mikey and Chris become made guys it represents them selling their souls to him. The raven near the window adds emphasis to that

he also sees the Devil on the casino machine and becomes transfixed by it when he goes to Vegas
and in the Test Dream, the Coach is smoking, at the bottom of the high school, and wearing a bright red jacket, to symbolize the evil in Tony, as Satan

The most convincing theory I saw was about uniform of the guy going into toilet. And Chase interviews pretty much confirms it was not a coincidence but finale itself was about much more than just Tony's life or death. From here you can go 100s different directions.
For me the most important thing was fatal mistakes. Melfi with Tony, Tony with Chrisy and Paulie to some extent. Even when it doesn't come from vile intentions, our confidence in righteousness of our intentions is usually very foolish and fragile. Tony tried to change Chrissy, but it was already too late for many many years. Kids who grew up in the wild will never be human again. Melfi tried to change Tony's system of coordinates, but in his world killing his own brother to make him suffer less was noble thing to do. And finale itself was this very thought on grander scale. It's what show was about IMO. Tony was so likeable because you want to be like him on many occassions. But at the end of the day, no matter how much you made your own life and how many wars you win, all is 1 second away from going pitch dark. And you won't even have time to realise who it was, what was the thing you paid price for and how will you relatives, who just got happy and got their lives on track will react to your brains sprayed over their faces. That's the value of your way, everything and nothing. It was the ultimate fuck you from an older man to his primitive ambitions. When you don't grow up to be "astronaut" you understand price of ambition and foolishness of the other side from which you chose. Either you're filled with regret that it wasn't you who was killed by everpresent enemies or it was exactly why you never stepped into those BOSS man shoes. That was the beauty of how chase portrayed Tony as a kind of cautionary tale and example of that. Just like nature: so many bad ass predators went extinct, while creatures that pray hunter won't notice them through defence mechanism are alive and well.

>all scores

What about Patsy? And Tony's impending indictment?

Agreed. Then when you start it again you understand who the characters are and can follow the deeper themes.

HEH HEH

>If you watch that scene where Mikey and Chris become made guys it represents them selling their souls to him.
That wasn't Mikey, that was Eugene Pontecorvo who got made along with Chris. He committed suicide in the Season 6A Opener "Members Only"

Salut

Its good from literally start to finish.

Season 5 : Season 6 was my favourite, but it was quite depressing and morbid.

>Now lets talk about why Uncle Junior was faking the whole time and orchestrated everything

Since when?

this should help you

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Was it tourettes?

he's been totally fuckin ostrafied

What was meant by this scene?