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Warm Vagina is better.

Odd, none of the last three threads on here even contained the word girly

>girly

I am fucking TRIGGERED. Unsounded isn't overly girly at all. I mean, sure, there's lots of emotion and character moments like said, but it's not excessive. It's GOOD. It's good storytelling. We see the depths of all these characters, which helps make their actions understandable.

What the fuck. 'Girly.' Is Faulkner girly?

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In response somebody sent them this.

They seem pretty chill, gonna give this comic a shot.

The other posts from that guy make it clear that he doesn't like the moments where it's just characters fucking around, and I guess prefers every detail to move the plot. That's a perfectly valid opinion albeit expressed in a dumb way because there's nothing "girly" about that.

If Unsounded has taught me anything, it's that everything's better cold.

Tumblry overreaction. And I say that as a big fan of unsounded.

i fear the author may be strawmanning a bit here.
but he's pretty cool in general.

if anything this comic could use more girly emotionality

That was posted in a furry transformation thread so

Eh, I can see their argument. Sometimes one can prefer plot over drama. Girly is an odd word to use to describe that though.

That was me.

I thought people would be a little sensitive over me putting it that way. I never figured people would be triggered THIS hard.

These are a lot of assumptions, though. I don't mean that Unsounded being "girly" means it's bad. I mean parts of it doesn't appeal to ME, and MY personal taste.

This is a typically American thing to take offense to, I think. I'm not American, and outside America it's perfectly acceptable to state that different things appeal to men and women. Just go to a romcom movie, and count the men in the audience versus some Expendables-esque action movie. That's just a fact of life. I judge Unsounded to be ever so slightly into the "girly" category.

I still read the comic, I still enjoy the comic. I'm just more interested in the central narrative than in characters talking a lot about things that don't impact the central narrative directly. Again, that's MY personal taste.

Furthermore, that comment was intended for Sup Forums in all its capes-loving, misogynistic, furry-fapping glory, and never intended as a serious fucking critique of the comic. So who-ever sent that to Ashley is a triggered dick. I'm on here a lot, and you can ask me directly. As you can tell from me responding right now.

So get your triggered panties unbunched and grow a pair, you sissies. To stick with the gendered insults.

>but he's pretty cool in general.
>he
>Ashley?

Nobody is triggered, you're just an idiot who's using a nebulous term inappropriately. People criticizing and insulting your argument does no.t mean they are "triggered"

normies think featuring girls makes a story girly, just like featuring kids makes it childish.

Yeah, real girly comic. I tell you, I could barely read this sequence through all the flowers and embroidery and shit.

Nobody is triggered except, apparently, you.

Technically Ashley's being the triggered dick. user just "asked for her thoughts" and her tingling vagina found sent her off on a rant.
Namecalling doesn't make you seem less triggered

Seems to me like she was just having a bit of fun at how silly the comment was.

>nobody is triggered
>you're just an idiot who's using a nebulous term inappropriately

That's being triggered. It's not my responsibility that you got upset over the words I used. Neither was it my idea to send my post to Ashley Cope outside of its Sup Forums context, which I frankly consider to be a really triggered thing to do.

I'm here to take responsibility over something I said. If you have any mature questions to ask me, go right the fuck ahead. If you just want to roast me, well, the Tumblr link is in the OP.

>Technically Ashley's being the triggered dick.
>That's being triggered.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

People criticizing an argument is not being "triggered". I hate this stupid word so much. Where did this perspective come from? It's awful.

I agree with you about sending the PoV to Ashley being an inappropriate thing to do. But people (including the author) ragging on your argument is just criticism, that's it. People are allowed to disagree with you.

What is being triggered anyway? The word's got a pretty vague definition.

Imagine a little blonde girl is suddenly killed in front of Duane. Imagine Duane's reaction. That's being triggered.

First off: Read my name. I put it there so you could easily identify me. This is not me.

Second: I'm not up for debating the meaning of the word "triggered". It's just part of the Sup Forums lexicon, so I figured you could deal with it. If you can't, that's fine, and I'll just use some other word (like "upset").

Either way, I'm here to take responsibility over what I said. So if anyone has any questions about what I said, and if I hate women or something, by all means ask them.

It's not vague. It's being angry at things you don't like and telling people to stop instead of dealing with it like an adult.
Like pomegranate.

>I'm not up for debating the meaning of the imprecise words I choose to use
Yes I can see why you called the comic girly.

You acting like you ain't triggered.

But you triggered.

Could you just shove all the pay attention to me shit aside? Nobody has to ask beyond the original argument you made, because that's what is being criticized. I can see why you called the comic girly given the occasional cutesy focus on the kids and the woe is me rants it sometimes goes into. And even, to some extent, the character design of the male characters. But I don't think girly is a great choice of words there, because "written by a woman into VS and LoK fandom" would be much more accurate and appropriate.

The emotional stuff, total fucking wash. I don't agree that's girly or not girly at all.

Yes?

>written by a woman into VS and LoK fandom
VS?
And I don't see how being a LoK fan relates to her storytelling at all
Also, that's pretty shit taste Ashley

Vagrant Story. And LoK there is standing for Legacy of Kain. I'm too old for this fucking site these days for real.

Well that's much better taste then

>I can see why you called the comic girly given the occasional cutesy focus on the kids and the woe is me rants it sometimes goes into. And even, to some extent, the character design of the male characters.
wait did Starfish fot magically removed form the story or something? Or is it the speedreader general where people who only read the last 3 pages allow themselves to criticize the whole thing?

I'm pretty sure the only Final Fantasy she's into is FF12, too.

What other pointless bits of Cope trivia do I recall? Her favorite Fury Road character was Nux. I only recall that because as soon as I read it, I thought

>Of course he was

Starfish's existence doesn't invalidate the other points. Unless you're implying the cutesy focus on the kids is some kind of innate pedophilic expression of the author reflected through Starfish

Why are you acting like Starfish is the totality of male characters in this comic? I don't agree with user's perspective but I can understand where it comes from - to me, Starfish's predatory nature does make an edgy contrast and take the shine off the kid moments some, and he does (in a very Gothic horror, physical appearance is a reflection of the inner self way) also make a contrast to the male characters in terms of design. But Duane, Murkoph, Toma, Bastion, Quigley, et all are in particular brackets of appeal too.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this, but I don't really ascribe to this grey neuter viewpoint that you can't make a gendered reading of a work by a gendered person either.

Pretty sure she liked Final Fantasy Tactics and FF 6 and 9.

She's also a big nerd for comic books.

> I can see why you called the comic girly given the occasional cutesy focus on the kids and the woe is me rants it sometimes goes into. And even, to some extent, the character design of the male characters.

Yes, that's pretty much what I meant.

>But I don't think girly is a great choice of words there, because "written by a woman into VS and LoK fandom" would be much more accurate and appropriate.

I know that, and I acknowledged that even while I said it. Again, the post was intended as just another throw-away commentary on Sup Forums, the same place where we regularly call each other "nigger" and tell people to die in a fire. As I've said, I figured it'd be possible for people to be upset by it. I didn't think they'd be SO upset to send it to Cope directly.

I am not a serious critic, especially on Sup Forums.

>The emotional stuff, total fucking wash. I don't agree that's girly or not girly at all.

Well, you don't have to. For me it's like you said, the focus on kids and family. Something like Iori spending a page explaining about her son is typical in that. In fact, the entire new chapter up to now.

Nux is basically the Sette of Fury Road I guess. Duane is Max. Elka is Furiosa maybe...

I really hate the cult of personality that accompanies Ashley and unsounded threads. I really don't give a shit who writes it, I'd rather talk about the comic itself. I blame waifufags.

Yeah I'm in agreement that sending it on was total bullshit. Ashley occasionally hangs in these threads anyway. Asking for specific comment on an opinion (probably one you disagree with) is like asking her to control this space extraneous to the comic for you. You get to point at her reaction/commentary and be right afterwards.

You shouldn't need Ashley's reaction to argue that the comic isn't 'girly' if you feel that way. I don't. A work stands on its own.

It was less specific character mapping and more

>here's this character who has a complicated relationship with a terrible religion, is truly a nice guy underneath all his weird problems and history, dies a tragic, heroic death
>I wonder who Cope's favorite character is

>obeys the rule of 3
That's good taste. She also has good taste in /d/ going by her recommendation of Yonekura Kengo, too.

>I really hate the cult of personality that accompanies Ashley and unsounded threads
the what now?

Ha! Fair point. But man I think by the end of this comic that's gonna go for more characters than just Duane.

>Yes, that's pretty much what I meant.
yeah... right

Not that user, but I assume he means the large amount of attention given to the author rather than the work. This is true for pretty much any comic discussed on Sup Forums where the author either appears in threads or acknowledges Sup Forums - Lieber, Gob, Abbadon, Aaron of Endtown, etc.

Again not that user, but why do you see a reason to dispute that?

>Starfish's existence doesn't invalidate the other points.
it definitely does. Your argument suddenly becomes "it matches except for what I don't want to disprove it". Keep that garbage for your blog.

I was neither aware that she visited these threads, nor asking for her opinion specifically. I'm still debating about sending her a personal message, but in principal I'm against it because I made this statement on an anonymous board in the context of said board.

I do think she overreacted, as do some Anons in this thread. The term was never intended to imply that the comic having a "girly" aspect is inherently bad. Perhaps it was an insensitive way of putting it, but this is Sup Forums, of all places.

Because he's triggered

You seem like the one who lacks perspective of the overall comic here desu.

>but why do you see a reason to dispute that?
cause nothing said before matched, he's just flipping side because he's losing. "you just didn't get it I was right all along" is kindergarten politics.

I don't know about insensitive but I do believe it was a bad and inaccurate way of putting it, and you were and are wrong. But I agree with your opinions on where/why you posted it and the appropriate follow-on from that.

Well he's agreeing with a reading of his actions that he didn't type; I did. I'm So to me, independently of reading anything in the last thread or anything other than this one, that's why I could see someone call the comic girly. And the dude who called it girly said 'yeah that's pretty much why I did' . I don't think he's right but I don't see a reason to immediately assume he is being dishonest.

>I blame waifufags.
Perhaps, but consider the following:

What are some authors discussed negatively on Sup Forums? Zack from Paranatural. Willis from the whole Walky thing. Gigi Digi from Let's Stop Metal Gear/Cucumber Quest. Do you know what they have in common?

They have publicly said they're against Sup Forums and think it's a terrible place. Of course, everyone on Sup Forums knows this is true, but god forbid some asshole outside Sup Forums ever say it.

Cope is one of the few author's who has not only come to Sup Forums and talks about her comic (or when people comment that her boobs are smaller than they were led to believe), she does so semi regularly and publicly admits to browsing it for fun. She goes to /d/ for godsake. She's not alone either (See: ). Sup Forums tends to be more sympathetic to authors who either defend Sup Forums or admit or portray themselves as what anons think people on Sup Forums should be.

Personally, she's smart enough that what few opinions I've seen her give are interesting. But best of all: she writes a great story with great art on a REGULAR FUCKING SCHEDULE and has the decency to not start internet bullshit fights or get roped into them. I could care less what her politics are as long as she is farting them all over twitter.

Which is her right to do so. But it's hard to respect people who blurt out whatever political/moralizing thought they had on a medium tailor made to be short, lacking nuance, and promoting unfiltered diarrhea of the mouth over self reflecting consideration.

That doesn't make sense. Something having x elements and y elements doesn't it can only be described as one or the other, it means it's multi-layered. Unsounded has a somewhat childish perspective presented through it's child characters and a more mature one presented through it's adult characters. That doesn't mean that it's only childish or only mature, that means it's both.

What's with all the triggers?

It's a personal opinion, user. It can't be wrong, by definition. I think the comic is fairly girly, because of various reasons, such as the cute children and the attractive, manga men. That's it. Again, on this board there is neither an obligation nor an expectation to not be "bad and inaccurate".

You like the comic, and feel I insulted it. Well, I like the comic, too. Again, I feel this is a cultural rift. Where I'm from, saying something has gendered characteristics wouldn't be considered insulting.

user, I'm right here. You can talk to me. Speaking of kindergarten politics...

The way I see it, you're upset because I described your favorite webcomic in a way you didn't like. Well, too bad.

I don't feel you insulted the comic at all. I just think your personal reading of it to call it "girly" it isn't very good. It's totally okay to say a personal opinion is bad and inaccurate, there's nothing invalid about that. A debate functions by discussing different viewpoints and challenging them.

hnnng

The issue is it also has aspects more traditionally focused on by men. The politics, violence and grim characterizations. I suspect peopel are drawing issue with what you said because you seem to only be considering some of the story's aspects

Eh, maybe the term itself is "bad and inaccurate". I thought it would carry more weight than it did, but it's plainly obvious that it's upsetting to more than a few people.

But yeah, cute kids and attractive, charming manga men. Not really my style.

You seem unintelligent.

Just an observation.

Fuck off

Well, I am. I don't hate the comic, I don't think it's all bad. But there are parts of it that I enjoy less, and those are the parts I implicated.

Though, the politics don't seem very prominent, aside from Stockyard's wheeling and dealing. I'm dying to see more of the international politics that are hinted at. And part of my frustration is the comic focusing on people having breakfast (to put it indelicately) in favour of advancing the plot. There's a pattern to this, in Unsounded, so I know I'll get my plot.

user, if you really think this sort of comment hurts me, you're the one who needs to invest in a few more braincells.

The political structure of cresce and alderode are pretty fleshed out elements. Unfortunately a lot of it is fleshed out on tumblrs and wikis and not so much in the actual comic. It's a quality that continually irks me; the world building is so in depth but the story is too character centric to really get into it.

Ah, that's too bad. I'm a firm believer in reading a comic as it unfolds. It's always kind of disappointing that things are spoiled for you before you get to them in the story. I've already received too much word-of-god information for another comic I read, just from reading the threads.

>the world building is so in depth but the story is too character centric to really get into it.

Yeah, this is why I complained about the comic focusing on character elements. The bigger picture seems to be lost in favour of those. I suppose it's there in form of the wiki and tumblr, but I'm reading a comic, not a wiki and a tumblr.

It wasn't an insult.

You genuinely seem unintelligent and inarticulate.

It's very hard to take your opinions seriously.

Just an observation.

What mad artist would ever visit Sup Forums for feedback anyway?

Unsounded is excellent regardless.

>It's a quality that continually irks me; the world building is so in depth but the story is too character centric to really get into it.
I think it just hasn't gotten there yet. We're only just now getting in the comic the pymary background info we've known outside of the comic for years. Cope has been adamant that anything necessary for understanding the story will show up in the comic proper.

Some user apparently got close to cracking what was going on with Duane. Enough to get Cope to comment on its closeness. Something about him being a Gold and a tacit caster. Since the last chapter or two implied that

>Cresce has a rebellion against the Crown forming its government
>There are forces behind both the silver and Duane that want to fuck up Cresce

We're probably going to be heading into Cresce proper soon and getting all its background and so forth. The comic is just planned to last for... jeez. We've got to be 2/3 through the first third of it by now. When did it start? Checking the back pages on the site, July 14, 2010. So we've got, at least, 10 more years on this thing, definitely a few years more.

We're in this for the long haul.

Is this going to be like Kate Beaton going nuts and Sup Forums going even more nuts and holding it against her forever?

What did Kate Beaton even do?

Cope has said that the comic is self-contained, nothing the comic references expects you to read tumblr or wikis, the comic is exactly what she wanted to create.

It's just that she did indeed build this huge world and people are curious about so she talks about it sometimes. The story you get in the comic is the story she wanted to tell, she has at many times refused to answer a question because it would spoil something, anything she does answer she considers unnecessary to enjoy the comic.

The more you post on about it, the likelier that is.

>Unsounded isn't overly girly at all.

Wellll..... let's be blunt.

Unsounded is pretty girly. Now, don't get me wrong, it's really fucking good, but there's no denying the esthetic.

Everybody is pretty (with the wretched exception of Starfish), things are 'cutesy' (looking at you, Uaid), all the plot points are tangential or deflected to make the conflict indirect, the afterlife is a solid expanse of pastel, for cryin' out loud.

Case-in-point: Duane and Quigley had a vigorous disagreement in the current chapter. If it was a dude comic, there would have been punching. Because that's how guys handle these things. A good solid punch to the nose goes a long way towards clearing the air, and Duane should have decked the white-haired jerk.

But, because it's a bit of a girly book, there was a kinder, gentler resolution to things.

There is nothing wrong or bad about being girly, its a helluva good comic. But it for sure shows it's being done by a lady.

Also, 'casuistry'. Points for word usage!

>the afterlife is a solid expanse of pastel, for cryin' out loud.
Oh man fuck you; that was all fractal art and weird monsters.

>If it was a dude comic, there would have been punching. Because that's how guys handle these things.

Not when said guys are both from the land of effeminate pretentious twats. Do you seriously think that would've been in-character?

See, I can't really agree with this "all the plot points are tangential or deflected to make the conflict indirect" when they just got done directly fighting a giant flesh/silver monster.

As for Duane and Quigley, they did give each other a "good solid punch to the nose" equivalent with their god damn super magic the first time they met, and it did indeed clear the air until Quigley learned he was a plod, then he stopped treating him like a person.

>Yeah, real girly comic. I tell you, I could barely read this sequence through all the flowers and embroidery and shit.

Ehn, still pretty girly, to be honest.

Pushing, shoving, biting, clawing and scratching is what's going on there. How girls fight.

EFFECTIVE biting and clawing and scratching, mind you. :) Getting scratched by a sword is gonna leave a mark. And getting your face clawed open by a wright sucks pretty bad, too.

But compare this fight to a comic like Poppy O'Possum, for example. This is just as violent, but come on, Poppy fucking HITS THINGS.

Therein lies the difference.

>If it was a dude comic, there would have been punching
>All guy stories, all guy comics, have problems solved by punching
>Implying Duane and Quiggley haven't been at each others' throats the whole comic until now anyway
That's dumb. You're dumb.

Or this is bait. In which case, it's still dumb and you're still dumb.

I know when I think 'girly fighting' I think 'hitting other people in the face with a sword' and 'melting a dude's face off'.

You're reaching pretty fucking hard.

That's good. She has never struck me as anything else than a very professional artist. I suppose I'm just a little impatient about getting to what I consider to be the good bits.

That's Elka, you're talking about. One of the most masculine characters in the comic.

And that's exactly why she's my waifu

You really are as stupid as you seem.

Just about everything you said is some shade of wrong. The only thing that shows Ashley's gender, other then her name, is the care she puts into her characters. As a generalization, modern male comic authors tend to skimp on characterization a little more then their female counterparts.

I think people perceive this subconsciously and then try to logic out why they think Unsounded feels a little more feminine.

>>Case-in-point: Duane and Quigley had a vigorous disagreement in the current chapter. If it was a dude comic, there would have been punching. Because that's how guys handle these things. A good solid punch to the nose goes a long way towards clearing the air, and Duane should have decked the white-haired jerk.

What?
I can't remember the last time I've seen adult people fight unless large amounts of alcohol was involved.
I can assure you that most non-fictional people can resolve their differences peacefully.

Elka isn't all that masculine.

Are you trolling? Previous page of that fight. Elka is a wright - she isn't scratching anybody, she's using magic. That sword stab was intended to kill her.

The very fact that there is even a land of effeminate twats kinda proves his point. Typical fantasy has an excess of hard lands full of hard people and warrior cultures out the ass

I don't think the comic girly so much as you seem to have a poor and frankly dim view of have guys think.
>If it was a dude comic, there would have been punching. Because that's how guys handle these things
>But, because it's a bit of a girly book, there was a kinder, gentler resolution to things.
Women aren't any less prone to violence then men.
Do you really think guys just punch the fuck out of everybody the disagree with everyday?
That would get you arrested multiple times over.

All that tells me is the story isn't going to feature all the interesting things she freely reveals in her blogposts, and you'll have to read those to get any details on all the interesting bits. That's disappointing if anything.

This thread is shit

Thanks for your contribution, user.

She's assertive, direct in her methods, casually rude, and a member of a military force. She's even got short hair and if I recall correctly a disdain for dresses. She's the picture of a tomboy.

>Women aren't any less prone to violence then men.
That's demonstratably wrong by looking at any violent crime statistics. The very structure of society for ages has placed men vastly more in roles requiring violence. Like I'm all for treating people as individuals and accepting the outliers, but come on. There are observable facts about the general nature of humanity.

>Imagine a little blonde girl is suddenly killed in front of Duane.
Duane's memories are unreliable. He's just an overprotective dad opposed to his daughter getting attention from other males.