How does a 15 year old with no money create such a crazy concept like web fluid and webshooters?
I can believe some kid being bitten by a magic/radioactive/genetically spliced spider and mutating because of that.
Maybe I can believe this kid is so smart that he can come up with the idea for it, but
I can't believe that Peter can create the webshooters on his own and continue to make the fluid on the budget he has.
That's why he stayed broke.
The brokeness just makes it dumber by giving Pete revolutionary engineering skills but unable to make money off of them.
Best compromise is and will always be having organically-produced webbing that he needs to construct webshooters to fire.
Just because a material is useful and inventive doesn't necessarily mean it is rare or valuable.
Real spider silk is just protein goop and a dash of various sugars and lipids, all of which can be feasibly synthesized using readily available chemicals.
But he's currently making tons of money off his engineering skills.
After like 50 years.
>How does a 15 year old with no money create such a crazy concept like web fluid and webshooters?
>I lack the creativity to ghetto rig a contraption
Oh fucking hell it's a damn organic web thread.
Fuck off with that shit already.
The webbing would be valuable. It's strong enough to hold back the likes of the Rhino.
A lot of versions say that the spider bite, while not giving him organic webbing, gave him the innate knowledge of how to make webbing. He didn't really think of the idea 100% himself. It became an instinctual thing, like how humans can have sex despite never see it being done before. Through that instinct is how he made artificial spinnerets and webbing. Peter still needed to go to school and learn how to science for real in order to make a profit since the only thing he really knew was physics and how to make and apply an adhesive that fades over time.
He also can't continue to make webbing on his standard budget. That's why he runs out instead of making dozens of cartridges and needs the Bugle job like a bitch.
In universe, it's probably like, 5.
It's not. Unless you're super agile, have super strenght and a sixth sense, "really strong webs" is a shitty, shitty weapon to use against anything that poses a threat.
>what is fiction?
He's a fucking science nerd with time and ingenuity on his hands.
Part of his character is that if he wasn't Spider-Man, he'd be a Nobel-prize winning scientist.
He got the knowledge of how to engineer the fluid from the spider bite.
I really don't know why the movies are afraid to state this
Could use it to capture people and not harm them.
thats always the big problem with peter it makes no sense for him not to become rich after a few years but it destroys his character if he does get rich
They already have way more effective ways of doing that in that universe.
>be super-man most of his day
>take care of his aunt
>find ways to make some cash with his free time
How exactly would he get rich here? He isn't the type to put off his hero work to research stuff. If he could be out there saving people as spidey, he will.
Fucking phone always auto corrects spider-man to super-man
Pete is a genius he just really bad with money and balance work & free time
/r/ the page with Reed (or was it Pym?) practically shitting himself when Peter told him he made the webshooters when he was a teenager
it makes more sense though. stop being a sperg
It was Pym. Pym is both more likely to admit the acomplishment of others and more likely to be bitter about it anyway.
>I consume cape media, but somehow the classic "genius inventor" trope is too incredulous
>I am more willing to believe that he somehow has spinnerettes in his forearms that can metabolize an absurd amount of webbing, and possibly support his own weight, without his forearms being bloated and misshapen and possibly hampering his manual dexterity from displacing the muscle
Venture Bros did it better anyway
he's a genius when it comes to science, but when he got spider powers his brain power probably got a boost when his physical body got built up. I dunno it's like he got a speed high when he got his powers.
>spidey autists pissed off about organic webbing
I will never understand this. Never. How is it THAT important to the characters that he gets all his powers from a spiderbite, except his most important one? It's shitty, dime-a-dollar cartoon logic that is best retconned.
>it's this thread again
> Kal Arachnid from the Spider House of Krypton
>Gains the ability to climb walls and spin webs because of our yellow sun and because his father was a dirty spider-fucker
His SUPERIOR skills you mean? :^)
They're cheap to make.
Otto, don't you have something better to do, like find a new body?
He made it in his garage, with a box of scraps.
By being a science major.
Nonsense. Give cops spray cans like this but with spiderman webbing.
Bam, street cops can now incapacitate people with superpowers and it's safer (assuming you avoid the face) than a Tazer since those often fuck up people you hit them with due to falling or if the person has a bad heart or other conditions.
>mechanical webs are better because they can show off Peter's intelligence and ingenuity
>organics webs somehow make Peter a retard and there are no ways for Peter to show off he's a genius with them
Then that means he's probably a poorly thought out character with some good points that most people latch on to while ignoring the dissonance of his position.
Otto's too busy getting cucked to shit post here.
Spidey doesn't wear a cape, dipshit. Do you even Sup Forums?
Because original is best in all things no matter what. You can't change comics and give character development or improve the internal logic because that's NOT WHAT THE FOUNDING FATHERS WOULD HAVE WANTED SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED MOTHERFUCKER
That's why organic webs that need shooters to function properly is best.
It would be invaluable in construction. Lighter than steel but with a higher tensile strength? Yes, please. Peter would be a millionaire if he patented that shit.
which is probably why he's "paired" with tony stark in civil war. Spiderman is just a kid with no idea how to capitalized on his talent.
Peter Park would actually be an excellent ironman inheritor if not for the fact he's already spiderman.
Doesn't it disintegrate after a short while?
It's amazing how many writers forget that Pete is supposed to be a genius.
>Oh, he's clever. Look at him Thwip'n'quip!
>Oh, he's such a lovable nerd. Look at him be alone and laugh!
>Science? No, he has no idea what that is and couldn't possibly use it to help himself out of this incredibly simple engineering jam.
Isn't that ironic, someone who thinks superheroes need "make more sense" and has probably been making organic web threads for years calls others spergs.
You could just reapply a coat every hour or so.
Yep. Spidey actually did try to sell his webbing as paste in the Lee/Ditko run when he was down on money, but they wouldn't buy it for that very reason.
Actually, no. This user is correct
His webbing dissolves after about a minute or two. In some comics he mentions that he can alter the formula so it lasts longer, but this massively dilutes it's tensile strength and effectiveness overall, and it still never become permanent.
It's only real usage is in non-lethal suppression work and rescue stuff like Peter does, where it would be pretty useful in limited situations.
You don't know what logic is, stop trying to justify your personal tastes by misusing that word.
Every minute. Not every hour.
It'd be useful in highly specific situations like riot suppression to non-lethally disable crowds and to support collapsing objects for rescues.
Basically it would be useful for firemen and cops and that's about it, and unfortunately as effective as it is the difference in effectiveness is largely mitigated by the fact that Spidey uses it best because he also has super-human agility and strength on top of it.
Note that it can only BRIEFLY restrain most of his superhumanly strong foes, and most can yank themselves out of it well before it dissolves at all and keep wrecking havoc.
>Note that it can only BRIEFLY restrain most of his superhumanly strong foes, and most can yank themselves out of it well before it dissolves at all and keep wrecking havoc.
In addition to this, while it CAN reach a considerable distance that's only when it's being shot as a thin stream that's only useful for his swinging stuff.
When it's shot in wider patterns to restrain people it's actually not much greater range then a taser is for instance, and since it'd be most useful on super-strong foes who can actually break out of it ANYWAY you'd left with being a normal guy within punching range of a guy who can rip through your restraints after about a second.
There's actually some research currently on using sticky foam as riot control.
And it's probably easier to use than web.
>a minute or two
the standard formula he uses lasts roughly one hour. If the stuff dissolved after just a minute there'd be no point in tying crooks to streetlights like he does
>How does a 15 year old with no money create such a crazy concept like web fluid and webshooters?
I haven't seen Civil War so I'm speaking of Spidey in general but I have this idea that the CONCEPT came with the powers actually. He has spider-sense which could be said to be inherited instinct in a way? What's not to say he inherited the instinctual knowledge of how to make spider-webs too?
Fuck I didn't realize I was the only one who though of that but I've said a million times before so maybe someone else clued on too.
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Also speaking of Peter, I want him to grow up. I'm so sick of kid Spider-Man. I want him to grow into his fuller potential. Go totally Batman in a way. With his own headquarters/lair of sorts, way more gadgets, better training, a sidekick in Miles, "The Web" a temporary prison where he keeps villains and baddies wrapped up until the authorities arrive, like a spider keeps it's prey wrapped up for later.
Peter graduates from college, gets some venture capital from Stark and starts his own chemical/tech company Parker Chemical? We get all these inherited rich guy heroes but why not a self-made entrepreneur hero? Peter can be ripe for that.
I want to see what happens when Peter gets to the next level.
So you want Superior Spider-Man with Peter instead of Otto?
Yeah I guess, I figured someone was going to say that but I had something different in mind. No henchmen and all that stuff Otto had obviously, but maybe a support team. I hate to admit but Arrow and Flash got me liking the idea of a supporting cast that actively helps out in the super heroics. Peter has Miles and maybe Toxin and Kaine/Scarlett Spider (is he still around?). Maybe throw Hellcat on the team for old times sake. Explore the idea of the Spider-Family but in a way that's not all convoluted like Spider-Verse.
Just make a Spiderman and friends movie.
His AMAZING Friends, motherfucker.
Give Bobby and Angelica the adjective they deserve-slash-are-cribbing from Peter himself.
>Also speaking of Peter, I want him to grow up. I'm so sick of kid Spider-Man. I want him to grow into his fuller potential. Go totally Batman in a way. With his own headquarters/lair of sorts, way more gadgets, better training
You literally described the current ASM run. Peter is basically the new Tony Stark now that Tony's lost most of his money during the post-Secret Wars timeskip. He's running his own super science business, that business helps fund Spider-Man, who is even explained to the public as being Peter's bodyguard. The spider symbol on his suit even glows like an arc reactor.
Maybe it's just his pose, but guy seems to be happy as fuck doing this.
Oh is that why is glows? I hate that new outfit. I don't really read on-going stuff so that's why I didn't know. Or I just have psychic abilities and somehow managed to know things before I actually read about them. Happens all the time.
the fuck is that
Who honestly gives a fuck
Me, me, I do. And others. And every time somebody comes forward caring, you'll say "doesn't count" because you can't handle being wrong even when you open your mouth and spew bullshit without understanding what you're saying.
is that powered with oil or what?
Its an expression you literal autist
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oil cooled computer.
ghetto edition
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Why can't Spiderman just naturally produce webs?
Why is this such an enormous fucking issue for people to wrap their heads around? What's the problem with him producing his own webs? Is this some sort of "leap" that creators don't want to make or something?
He was bitten by a fucking spider.
Spiders don't have super fucking bug strength, but him getting WEB POWERS is somehow fucking outlandish?
Like, no, I do actually get really annoyed with this because if peter can just MAKE WEB SPINNERS than WHY DOES HE NEED TO GET BITTEN? You know? If he's just so fucking smart why doesn't just make a suit?
It wouldn't annoy me so much if it wasn't such an unnecessary complication.
It was to add drama with him running out of web. Also stresses his intelligence. Plus, as items theyre pretty cool
>It was to add drama with him running out of web.
Technically if he MAKES the web he can just constantly carry more webbing on himself because why wouldn't he? You know? Just make little cartridges and carry them in a pocket or something to switch out.
If it's something he produces NATURALLY though he can't very well stockpile it: he'd run out of webbing naturally just like how a person can't just continually poop forever.
A grown up and flat broke Peter that wanted to get back to doing Spider-man stuff managed to create webfluid and shooters with the use of about $16 worth of chemicals that you can buy from a grocery store and a lab composed of equipment he got from dumpster diving.
That's not really a whole lot.
Pym, but it was about the spider-tracer working on the frequency of his spider-sense.
It was actually chance, though, as originally the spider-tracers were working on normal frequencies, but at some point Peter did start noticing they were stimulating his spider-sense.
Wasn't he doing it in Big Time?
And more generally in every continuity where he stops being Spiderman actively.
Because Spiders don't shoot webs out of whatever would equate to their wrists. Saying "organic webs makes more sense" is just as nonsensical, if not even more so, than him not getting web powers from being bitten by a spider since there are indeed spiders that do not make use of webs.
>Just make little cartridges and carry them in a pocket or something to switch out.
That's exactly what he does. They run out too.
>I don't read comics
Almost forgot where I was for a second.
Add Chat as romantic interest and we've hit a gold mine
that was actually Ben but the point still stands.
The resulting webbing was kind of low-quality, though, engulfing the web-shooter or freezing.
But IT. CAN. BE. DONE!!!!!
all superhero comics is capeshit because caps were an iconc thing in comics
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Thanks for backing it up. See OP, web fluid isn't really something that's gonna make you broke unless you were broke to begin with.
>since there are indeed spiders that do not make use of webs.
All spiders literally possess spinerettes.
The correct term would be: "All spiders produce silk, but not all spiders spin webs".
>Because Spiders don't shoot webs out of whatever would equate to their wrists.
Spiders also don't possess super human strength. (They don't even possess super strength by bug standards)
People also don't get super powers from getting bitten by radioactive spiders (they'd probably get, like a really bad rash though).
I dunno it just feels dumb.
It's dumb.
It's a needless, pointless, tack on dumb detail that makes the whole thing feel stupid because again: If peter can just make spider webs why can't he just make all his other spider powers? Iron Man built his first suit in a cave.
Like, okay, I'd be willing to meet you half way because -compromises- :
It would make SENSE if Peter could MAKE the webs naturally in his body, but couldn't "projectile" them per-say, so he invented the shooters to shoot them because otherwise he would basically have to literally crawl all over someone like a horrifying arachnid.
The problem isn't the cost itself, but the QUANTITY: decent web-fluid might be relatively cheap but Spidey uses A LOT of it.
It's a regular expense, at very least 20$\week.
Likely more given the frequency he has to use a lot of it.
But why would they come out of holes in his wrists? Your argument literally falls on "he should have organic webs because it makes sense" when the mere fact that it's a comic book character should already account for things to be nonsensical in the first place.
spiders do have super fucking bug strength spiders almost all insects can lift x times amount of there body size but pete is human size so he can lift x times amount of a 6'2 man
Its unreliable.
It might be useful as something like a non lethal weapon or cops. But even that is questionable because you'll essentially murder/maim somebody if it gets in their mouth, eyes, or ears.
The 1 hour limit is too unreliable for heavy equipment.
>The brokeness just makes it dumber by giving Pete revolutionary engineering skills but unable to make money off of them.
One does not automatically bring the other. Look up Nikola Tesla: created things that could be revolutionary even today, but he was always flat broke.
>Your argument literally falls on "he should have organic webs because it makes sense" when the mere fact that it's a comic book character should already account for things to be nonsensical in the first place.
I think it's important I sort of just repeat my main point/problem with this whole setup:
If Peter parker can artificially replicate and manufacture what is effectively the most utilitarian and one of the more amazing portions of his "power" than why does he need to be bitten by a spider at all to be spider man?
Do you understand where I'm coming from? Like, that's why it bothers me so much: If he's so fucking smart as to produce this spectacular and amazing quality replica-spider-silk.. Why can't he just manufacture the rest of his powers?
You know? What's the point of the spider?
I feel like it's just a pointless, clunky, complication that just pokes holes in everything than adds to the character.
>spiders do have super fucking bug strength spiders almost all insects can lift x times amount of there body size but pete is human size so he can lift x times amount of a 6'2 man
Do they??
I thought it was only Beetles and Ants wot get all the amazing strength?
>But why would they come out of holes in his wrists?
There's no good argument for why they shouldn't.
Lets assume that he what you say actually happened.
What sort of evolutionary advantage does webs that disappear after an hour give you?
So what would the web shooters do then? Suck them out of his wrists and propel them?
Why would they specifically come out of his hands and not his ass like in actual spiders?
Spider Man and his webshooters might be dumb as fuck if you analyse everything, but like Pym Particles, you can understand they make sense in the universe.
You have to make a lot more assumptions for Organic webs to make sense
>If Peter parker can artificially replicate and manufacture what is effectively the most utilitarian and one of the more amazing portions of his "power" than why does he need to be bitten by a spider at all to be spider man?
Because his Spider-sense and wall crawling things aren't gadgets. It's as simple as that.
There's no good argument for why he can't have mechanical webshooters either. Because he's a fictional character. See what I'm getting at here? Claiming "it makes sense" for fictional characters in a fictional universe is one of the weakest defenses for one's ideas.
One step closer.
Not that user but I think that organic shooters make more narrative sense.
Boy gets bitten by radioactive spider - develops spider-like abilities just seems clearer than: boy gets bitten by radioactive spider - develops some spider-like abilities (apart from probably the most iconic characteristic of the species) and then develops said characteristically independently because he is also a science genius.
I feel like its overloading the character.
Also, the idea of Parker swinging around on webs makes sense for a writer and artist trying to make a character seem 'spider-like'. Why would Peter himself do it - unless he was given the ability biologically?
You have two separate ways of this character getting abilities that make him 'spider-like'. Just seems sloppy and contrived.
>What sort of evolutionary advantage does webs that disappear after an hour give you?
It's a mutant super-power, so there's no reason why they can't just write it in as being faulty or imperfect.
He also didn't "EVOLVE" his power: his power is not natural in origin so strictly speaking it doesn't have to be perfect- that's what mutations are about really.
The good ones stay, the bad ones get bred out- Peter parker is making good of what he has.
>So what would the web shooters do then? Suck them out of his wrists and propel them?
Take your pick: Maybe he pre-spins the webs into litttle doo-hickys and the shooters just shoot it out like high-pressure fishing line or something.
I'd imagine getting the web-shooters to suck the webbing out of his wrists would be horribly uncomfortable; like someone digging their finger too deep in your bellybutton.
>Why would they specifically come out of his hands and not his ass like in actual spiders?
God, maybe they would?
Maybe he just farts it out at home, puts it in the cartridges, puts the cartridges in the web-spinners and goes out like that.
>Because his Spider-sense and wall crawling things aren't gadgets. It's as simple as that.
You're missing the point dude: If the webs can be gadgets than there's no reason anything else he can do can't be as well.
I worded that really badly.
Context? How did he get back to status quo?
>You're missing the point dude: If the webs can be gadgets than there's no reason anything else he can do can't be as well.
And you're missing the point as well. If he's a fictional character there's no reason that his powers can't be a mix of gadgetry and a source of a different type, like how Doom uses both magic and tech.