I just got back from Alien Covenant, and if there was any doubt that Aliens was better than Alien, then it should be erased after seeing Ridley's newest monstrosity.
The characters were even dumber than in Prometheus, and the action was like a lukewarm version of Aliens. Then Ridley tries to rectify this by having philosophical themes which don't do anything. If this franchise is Ridley Scott's baby, then CPS needs to be called. He should never make another Alien movie ever again.
did they end up going to the engineers home planet and finding out why they wanted to kill humans?
Nope.
>it's a talentless hack director makes a fluke film that everyone loves, then decades later returns to shit all over it and make a laughing stock of his own legacy episode
could have sworn this was a rerun...
>Alien: Covenant proves Aliens is better than Alien! Ridley is a hack!
That doesn't make any sense and you know it. It's very common for artists to lose their touch when they get old. James Cameron hasn't made a great film since True Lies but that doesn't damage Aliens or his other old films.
How does Alien Covenant retroactively make Alien worse than Aliens?
but that was the cliffhanger at the end of prometheus. what the fuck? did they drop the engineers story?
Explain to me in detail what you specifically found wrong with it. It seemed alright to me and it gave me a lot to think about.
i think the point is that it shows how very little of what made Alien a classic came from Scott. it was a fluke and he got carried by the creative talents of others.
It relied way too heavily on the idiocy of the characters to advance the story, like that one guy poking the spores like a kid and then brushing it off as if it was nothing. Then there's the captain who didn't know David's intention and just followed him into the place where he kept the eggs without question.
They never answered why David killed the Engineers or any of the other questions raised in Prometheus. Shaw getting killed off after surviving the events of Prometheus also seemed very cheap.
>He didn't see the spores
>He couldn't have possibly known what the egg did. He was still cautious when he approached it
>They wanted to keep it a mystery so you can wonder about it so when you're done with the movie you can chew on it.
Nope, David "kills" Shaw then carpet bombs the Engineers with the cylinders. even though in the previous film David expressed some regret in the end was and grateful to Shaw for saving him.
that sucks. david is just a stupid android. the engineers were at least intriguing
David killed the engineers because his egomaniacal and ambitious traits inherited from Weyland who "created him in his image". David even questions at the beginning why Weyland is the God if he will die and David won't. David considers himself superior. He has killed his creators and killed his creators' creator (the engineers) because he considers himself greater than them, a God and creator himself.
He is trying to perfect and create new xenos so he can assume the mantle as their one God.
It literally doesn't matter why the engineers turned on people. They probably saw their creation as fuck ups like biblical God did when he sent the flood.
"A king has his reign and then he dies". David is killing the old kings to make way for himself.
Pay afuckingttention
So it's more symbolism rather than interesting characters, story, or Alienish visuals.
There are 2 good alien films. 2 out of 6. The whole premise was a limited concept to begin with. It's time to let this franchise go. There's nothing more you can do with it.
Here's the thing. If you were going to any alien planet you would wear an environmental eco suit. Without question. This isn't Star Trek. Even the smallest of alien germs would kill you.
Precisely, and not even "profound" symbolism imo. Everything in Covanent was an emotionless plot device only there to advance the story. No fun, interesting characters like with the original Alien. Plus the plot itself does nothing but halfheartedly prop up Scott's symbolism, as the story itself is not satisfying or interesting in the slightest.
Plus, as stated already, characters were really dumb and the "twist" was so fucking obvious that it was insulting.
Also the writing was pretty shit, hated how every character with a wife kept going "that's my wife" "be careful with my wife" "my wife is down there" just to remind the audience that we're supposed to feel something when the cardboard cutout woman inevitably dies.
>mfw half the audience in my cinema were laughing their asses off when David invites the ship captain to approach the egg and stick his face in it
>mfw I had to hold in my own laughter
I honestly couldn't believe my eyes and ears.
Was this really what Ridley was going for, to make the xenomorph tropes into a comedy, a laughing stock?
Aliens was horrid
This movie and Alien are the only legitimately "good" Alien movies, the rest have serious flaws
>mfw I go to the movies nearly every weekend with parents/brother
>I say I didnt like the GOTG2 or Alien C and they say I hate movies.
The plot only happens because every character except david is an imbecile. How these people were put in charge of anything nevermind 2000 colonists is a mystery....
that's going to be in the upcoming movies
definitely high on Alien-ish visuals
they didn't "intend" to get diverted to an uncharted planet and therefore did not feel the need to bring fully equipped eco suits.
Anyone with hazmat training knows you don't go into an unknown environment without protection. The plot basically requires the characters to consistently act like idiots in order for it to advance.
The characters aren't dumb. Meme posting shit. There's very plenty wrong with the film. No one wears helmets in Star Trek. They justified no wearing helmets in the scene prior to going to the shuttle. They wouldn't have written helmets at their original destination either.
It's a bad movie that lets the bad guy win.
Kind of sucks that all my friends can say is "push the I believe button"
How does the captain know a face hugger is in an egg? You know how autistic you sound right now?
History is littered with examples of people doing stupid things, the fact that the group made a mistake (caused also by an inexperienced, inadequate captain) is not surprising.
That's why there weren't going to wear helmets at the colony planet too huh?
No one in Star Trek wears helmets on class m planets. Stop with your memeing faggotry and focus on the real problems likes pacing and character development.
Alien required Dallas be retarded enough to follow a worthless signal.
John hurts character has to be stupid enough to put his face in an egg.
Stupid stupid people. Alien is full of retards. Lambert didn't fight back and just died. What a stupid person. Alien is terrible
>I meet our creator
>How was he
>He was human
My theater, myself included, were laughing our asses off whenever David was on screen.
By the end, he was a cartoon villain
>these characters act stupid because they don't react like they've seen the movies Alien, Aliens, Alien 3, Aliens:. Resurrection and Prometheus
Again there's actually plenty wrong with the film but complaining about no helmets and stupid characters is just ridiculous there's pacing issues there's writing issues there's consistency issues there's overall feel issues there's no character development either aside from well there's no character development
IS THIS THE GENERAL?
Just an FYI there is a BLACKED cuckold scene in this movie. If you're not a fan of cuck shit I'd torrent it and not contribute. The movie is shit anyway.
There is a major difference though.
It is established in Alien that the space truckers are petty and impulsive dimwits with a couple of sensible ones between them.
Ripley is the only really fully sensible one and she lives.
And even when they stick their head in the egg they have the full enviro-outfit on and the whole scene plays out very slow, methodical and oppressive with them stumbling around in those oversized suits.
Meanwhile in Prometheus everyone is wearing a skin-thin scuba suit and they pop the helmet first chance they get and they're supposed to be the cautious and methodical science types HAND PICKED by Weyland for the mission
The guy who is literally betting his immortality on that mission.
So he created the xenomorphs all along or what?
Why was David so edgy?
David wanted to be a god
>visits planet full of unknown organisms
>high likelyhood of allergic reaction
>if not then almost certain infection
>decides not to wear protection
These people were idiots. The only thing the captain should have been in charge of was cleaning the bathrooms.
>let's visit an unknown planet which may or may not be habitable instead of the one which we and our colonist passengers prepared for
>if it goes wrong we're likely out of fuel, stranded, and soon to die
>hell we could just die due to environmental complications (see allergic reactions and infection)
>even if everything goes right and we don't die, we might pick the wrong place to land. After all, the people back home have probably analyzed and compared optimal landing sites for years. Can we do a similar job in just a few days? What about natural resources? What storms? Yeah sure, we might survive a few months but what about years? Wouldn't it be better to just go with the plan?
>meet notoriously unstable first model of android
>sees obvious signs of mental instability
>don't warn crew
Walter was an idiot as well.
Yes well Alien was about space truckers. They weren't trained explorers or colonists. They were literally the worst people possible for the situation they were in. In Prometheus and this shit film, we're expected to believe highly trained experts behave like idiots in high stress situations (they would be selected from people who hold their shit together when shit hits the fan).
>star trek
faggot
>It literally doesn't matter why the engineers turned on people.
m8, this was clearly explained in Prometheus. Their whole purpose in creating us was to use as a testbed for their weapon.
I'm not saying the captain had to know the egg was where the hugger was in, but for God's sake he didn't even slightly pickup that David was luring him into a trap.
That, combined with the fact that the audience knows exactly what's going to happen, made the scene unintentional comedy.
Yeah David became kind of cartoonishly evil in the end. I still think Fassbender does a really good performance though.
On an unrelated note, I called the ebin twist ending a mile away. When they didn't show the end of the Walter-David fight, it was a pretty obvious hint that David cut off his own hand, killed Walter and was impersonating him all along. I'm sure a lot of people caught on too.
Is the "all the audience laughed" thing still going on?
Will he die in the sequel? He was funny.
Nah, no helmets is a legitimate excuse. Maybe I didn't hear all the jargon in the exposition when they initially find the planet, but I don't remember them saying the atmosphere was safe before opening the doors and jumping out. Even if it were a similar to Earth atmosphere, how would they know there weren't deadly microbes or diseases in the air? Red Letter Media pointed this out five years ago with Prometheus and it is a significant plot hole.
Also the characters are pretty retarded at some points. The one that stands out the most is when the captain just follows David into the cave and on his request sticks his face into the egg. That wasjust plain stupid.
David, as was pointed out years ago, is confirmed a secret asshole.
What do you mean "thing?" I'm not joking or anything, my audience was literally laughing out loud in that one scene.
Fuck that noise. It's still Lindelof-tier, which means each new installment raises more questions than it solves. Alien raised like 3-4 questions max, Aliens has like 2 plot holes/questions, and then you get to the recent shit. Prometheus should have been a full prequel if not for Lindelof and I gues Ridley Scott is trying to continue that, trying to solve some questions with each installment but also adding more questions so you go see a sequel. Fucking sucks.
Covenant was masturbatory shite but at least it acknowledged how bad Prometheus was.
When's the last time a major character was killed offscreen between Alien movies? Why did the creative team do that? Now, why did it happen here?
Alien > Aliens
Both are good movies, but the tone of Alien suites the franchise better.
>walks in on David face to face with some fucking nightmare fuel
>that clearly just mutilated a crewmember
>he's being a creepy shit trying to make out with it or something
>ignores an order to stand aside
>flips out when you blast the thing to hell
>moments later he's all "yeah stick your face in this it's fine trust me"
He didn't need to know what was in the egg to find the situation suspect.
>When's the last time a major character was killed offscreen between Alien movies?
Alien 3, where 2 of the 3 survivors got killed offscreen between the movies.
And we all know how great that movie was.
yes, exactly. As far as I could tell, Covenant was Scott's fuck-you to Lindelof and was as close to a rewrite of the prequel as we're gonna get.
Covenant was shit but it did what it could to fix Prometheus. There's still hope for the third part. Maybe.
All characters are mentally ill: they all go to a biologically rich alien environment without masks, let people sick with unknown diseases into their sterile transportations allowing the pathogens to eventually reach the spaceship, they trust David even after some of them have been torn to pieces in his "safe" place, they butcher the Engineers and Shaw off camera, Walter lets David kill him for no reason, David lets the second xenomorph roam free in the space ship for no reason, McBride convinces the other two cucks to risk the entire mission for no reason.
I could go on. Shit movie, like Prometheus without anything new. Actually worse
>crew of highly trained professionals
>operating a huge transport and colonizing ship
>full of thousands of living adult humans and hundreds of developing embryos
>each and every one of them panics and breaks ranks at every step of the plot
>even before they land
but
why
Because it moves the plot along. Ridley is shite.
This movie was worse than Prometheus.
Everyone hated the Prometheus story because it wasn't an "Alien" story. And although they were idiots for expecting Prometheus to be an "Alien" movie in ANY way, Ridley still got a little butthurt, and he de-Prometheus-ized Covenant. So we'll likely never find out the answers to what was brought up in Prometheus... at least, not within a single movie. It'll be spread out across the next three or four Alien movies by Scott.
this movie is like a game overthinker video when he starting making sketches.
he's doing all this cringey cosplay shit and you just want him to talk about fucking video games.
David is the best part about Covenant. Also there's a lot of people including me who don't believe David bombed the engineers planet.
>stumble upon an alien planet that is habitable and likely contains an existing biosphere
>don't do a surface scan from orbit
>don't send drones to the surface
>land on the planet
>don't wear protective gear
>land in the water
>don't test the water
>drink the water
but hey at least they showed the blond girl's severed head floating around at least 5 times right guys
>it cost more money to render that head than any of us make in a year
Prometheus was originally going to be a straight up Alien prequel, then Ridley wanted to do something new and changed it, then got cold feet and added the fuckin Deacon thing to the end of it.
This series would actually be halfway decent without the Alien universe tacked onto it. If it was its own thing, and had nothing to do with Alien, it could have been good.
I like that they killed them off, the Alien universe is big, scary, and indifferent to human suffering and killing off everyone except Ripley really hammers home that theme
This movie was so disappointing and underwhelming that it really made me feel like I was robbed of two hours Only movie I ever felt like that Instead trying to correct the mistakes of Prometheus and answers the questions it raised it literally recycled the entire plot of Prometheus
stream plux
> the experience I had while watching my movie must be the same experience EVERYONE had with this movie
Everyone in my theatre was yelling at Dr. Mahnattan for being an idiot, but no one was "laughing", per se.
I'm not claiming that my audience represents everyone, but rather that yours doesn't either. And therefore, you shouldn't assume what Ridley was aiming for just because of your audience.
hi Mr. Scott, thanks for visiting our board
i too, follow strange white men into dark basements
>he didn't even slightly pickup that David was luring him into a trap.
It should have been blindingly fucking obvious from the second he said he wanted to show off "his successes". You're looking at the shit he has in his fucking lab or whatever shit looks like a fucking nightmare, and you want to see how he's PERFECTED that nightmare?
A couple people laughed out loud for a quick second in my theater when that happened too.
> but complaining about no helmets ... is just ridiculous
The no helmets is legit. There is everything wrong with visiting a planet you know nothing about without adequate protection, and plenty of evidence within Human History alone. The Columbian Exchange is one good example, as is the smallpox epidemic.
Even if alien DNA is incompatible with ours, alien organisms can still produce deadily chemical compounds AND aerosolize them... one breath of it can still kill you. It's not worth taking the chance.
Reminder that these are not engineers but a race created by engineers. There was no advanced tech on their planet other than a fucking landing pad for their gods ship.
Or Ridley is a fucking hack.
>be master race
>create black goo to bring life to a planet
>don't create countermeasure for the possibility that a single molecule of black goo reaches homeworld
wew
>David lets the second xenomorph roam free in the space ship for no reason
>for no reason
Are you for real right now?
>highly trained professionals
what ever gave you that idea?
I don't mind the threads of Alien being woven in and out of Prometheus. But I accepted it as NOT an Alien movie, so I judge it for what it was on face value... and it wasn't a bad movie.
I only wish Ridley continued with that and left Alien as a side lore with Covenant, instead of giving into fan demands and remove all but the bare facts about Prometheus in Covenant.
I mean, at least I want to know if he returned to the TRUE Engineer homeworld, or just a colony full of retarded Engineers, versus the more perfect Engineers we saw in Prometheus (the ones that look like they were made out of soft-boiled egg whites).
>the architecture is heavily roman based
>because you know, like how Rome was the pinnacle of civilisation but slowly fell to rot
what a GENIUS, wow!
How to make it so that it isn't David that's on LV-426
>Space Jockey party ship with the Prometheus versions that have organic suit/bodies, goes to check up on their world that David's ruined
>See it's all fucked, go investigate and find the eggs David's left behind
>One(the space jockey) gets face hugged and they decide to get out of dodge
>Bursts in his chair and then alien either eggmorphs the crew or becomes a queen to create all the eggs
>Crash on LV-426
Only odd thing would be why the alien would place all the eggs in the silo.
Jimmy, you need to leave
>Also there's a lot of people including me who don't believe David bombed the engineers planet.
wut
Is it delusion? He gud boy, he dindu nuffin?
>Also there's a lot of people including me who don't believe David bombed the engineers planet.
So, did you not watch Covenant or what?
Because he knows spores exist and also knows David knows these aliens and that David probably wants him dead
Because it never causes problems
If there was an episode where Picard goes to a planet and gets a foreign virus, everyone would say going without protection was a bad idea - especially other characters
Bad decisions aren't the problem, the problem is
>nobody acknowledges it was a bad decision
>nobody learns anything
>character established as competent becomes incompetent
TRUE POTTERY!
they're the appointed crew of a huge space ship designated with the survival of the human race
nahhhhhhh ur right my expectations are too high i bet they just gave control of the mission to a bunch of randos
>render that head
Looked like a poorly done prop. The center of gravity in a head is more toward the face so we should have just seen the back of her hair
Yah dingus
It's not that he didn't bomb anyone, he clearly did. It's that he didn't actually VISIT the ACTUAL Engineer homework... but just some colony of retards that the Engineers made. Maybe one of the many species that they intended to wipe out 2000 years ago, along with us humans.
I mean, it's not like the Humans weren't the ONLY species the Engineers created, right? They made others, yes? And they wanted to kill off all of them. David was just finishing the job they started.
>i bet they just gave control of the mission to a bunch of randos
I mean, judging by how they reacted to the situations, that checks out
It was so obvious, that I just assumed there will be an actual real twist, like Daniels having her own plan, or Walter changing his mind, or fucking hell, Shaw actually showing up
While everyone is being pretty critical at the film did anyone else just felt like you couldn't believe what you were seeing? I guess I'm pretty old fashioned but this surprised me in the most negative way possible...
His plan was to infect the settlers with the embryos, and everybody in the crew was going to go into sleep anyways, what was the point of bringing the alien to the ship moments before? The alien would have destroyed the settlers if they didn'g kill it
Think about it, it makes no sense
OK I get what's you're saying. That seems reasonable.
How the fuck is that a planet of an advanced race? A race so advanced they're practically gods. It had zero advanced technology.
>be master race
>create black goo to bring life to a planet
>don't create countermeasure for the possibility that a single molecule of black goo reaches homeworld
Uh...pretty sure the black goo that brings shit to life is not the same as the weapon. And they did have a countermeasure, they did their experiment on a distant planet.
He's a fucking nutjob that wanted to watch his pet play.
I'd put good money down that my cinema was not the only one laughing, Ridley.
But you see, if he had acted with any amount of self-awareness or intelligence, the plot would not have happened!
For me, it was half the entire audience laughing uncontrollably. I'm sure it was not the only time that happened.
BRAVO RIDLEY
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I was hoping that either Daniels would have realized it and had a plan, or some other twist to subvert it, but no, Ridley went with a Shyamalan-tier "what a twist" ending. I chuckled.
Scott must have lost touch at least a decade ago.
>His plan was to infect the settlers with the embryos
Were you not paying attention? He wants to communicate with a Xeno. He was hoping that the one that came out of the soldier would kill Tennessee and the girl so he would have free run of the ship to continue his experimentation. Hence, why he made that pissed off face when they actually got it off the ship. Putting the crew back to sleep and then doing his thing was Plan B.
>mfw you were playing 1D checkers and the point of the movie was playing 2D chess
Stop fingering the boy
my cinema was audibly cringing when david went in for the gay kiss, lmao
i get what he was going for but it was still a bit out of the blue
>xenomorphs are just some butthurt android's creation
wow
alien is gay
Did anyone else feel that the "what do you believe in?" line by the captain before he got chestbursted was really out of place? It felt like it was going somewhere like they were going to discuss things but it just went nowhere.
Then why did he keep opening the right doors and giving real info, instead of just leading the alium to them?
Almost as if he actually wanted to kill him?
-The characters were dumb as shit.
-No character motivation provided for David killing Shaw and the entire Engineer planet.
-The Engineers were completely swept under the rug, all the cliffhanger questions from Prometheus involving their purpose, the point of creating the black goo, and their relation with humanity wasn't explored at all.
-The black goo still has an ambiguous purpose that just seems to do whatever the plot needs to create tension at the time
-The xenomorph origin is actually interesting and unexpected, and pretty much the only good part of the film, but it kind of disregards the concept of a Queen and why the Nostromo found a Engineer spacecraft filled with eggs and a Engineer that had obviously died due to a chestburster. The next movie will have to dance circles to connect the dots.
-David engineered the current state of the Xenomorphs, but the goo/ spore seems to randomly create the similar results, sometimes involving a facehugger, sometimes not.
oh yeah the religious subtest was as half assed as it could be
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