Xenomorph hive with 1 queen versus Arachnid nest with 1 brain bug

Assume around 10,000 drones each to start with. Setting is a barren desert world with porous crust, many tunnels and caverns.

Some things to remember:

-Arachnids can lose a limb and remain 80% combat effective.

-Xeno queens and brain bugs are both powerful espers. Xeno queen intelligence unknown, but brain bug's grey matter much large by volume.

-Arachnids do not breathe through their mouths. They can be impregnated via facehugger through the openings to their book lungs, but must be restrained, making impregnation much more difficult than with humans.

-Brain bug cannot suck xeno brains due to acid blood

-Arachnids have two plasma bugs, but both hives are deep underground.

Other urls found in this thread:

avp.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Mother
aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph
twitter.com/SFWRedditImages

Bug soldiers are melee so they would get fucked up by the acid blood.

Arachnid can reproduce without hosts.

arachnids can shoot fucking asteroids. xenos are doomed, they are only farmers against a military civilization like the bug one.

The acid blood would literally be the only threat to the Arachnids. I would imagine the black goo or spores would be more effective against them.

After killing how many xenos, though? If their k/d ration is greater than 1:1 they can still win.

Is there canonical info about how quickly they reproduce anywhere

This would also destroy the arachnids however.

>Xeno queens and brain bugs are both powerful espers

gonna need a citation on the xenomorph queen being a psyker

They are psychic but only with other Xenos

avp.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Mother
aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph

Ctrl+f "telepath"

Do the Arachnid have access to tankers?

Yes, but remember the planet has substantial subterranean tunnels and caverns. The xenos could try to keep most of the fighting underground where they would have an advantage, due to being able to wall crawl.

The arachnids could use small meteorites as bunker busters but the two hives are less than 100 miles from each other, so they would suffer damage as well.

If the xenos manage to impregnate an arachnid, this is the result.

I have no idea what a brain bug xeno would look like but if they got close enough to impregnate it, the battle would be over, so it would be of no strategic advantage.

Whoever wins, humanity prevails!
We put the fear of god to the Arachnids before, we'll be quick to render the Queen of her horde!
We must meet the threat with our valour, our blood, indeed with our very lives! To ensure that Human Civilization, not Xenomoprh, dominates this galaxy now, and always!
The only good bug is a dead bug!
Would you like to know more?

I would like to know what their braps smell like

Fucking kill yourself

Degenerate filth! 12 years on a worker colony for you!

We don't know how well a tanker performs underground but it is shown that is able to move underground so it might be able to fight.

Hm, fair. We also don't know how the tanker acid compares to the xeno acid. Using it in confined quarters could make the tunnel unsafe to traverse until the reaction burns out, depending on whether the tanker's own acid can harm it. Enough xeno blood would have the same effect.

Bug soldiers are still effective without limbs. One soldier could more than one before it died. Which means with equal numbers, they'd win.

>arachnids can shoot fucking asteroids
actually believing this

arachnid war was a government set up so they could instil control over their population.

Oh yeah? Well I'm from Buenos Aires and I say KILL 'EM ALL!

Only good bug is a dead bug!

i love the delivery of this line, I'm pretty sure it's the Producer having a cameo as well

at the very least they can crush all the xeno tunnels

IIRC Arachnids have dedicated small-scale acid spitters, or was that just videogame fluff? Their tankers have flame-spitting breath though.

Arachnids would destroy the living shit out of the xenos. They are huge as fuck, probably twice the size of a xeno and swarm like angry ants. Xenos are pussy as ambush hunters who might be able to capture and impregnate some foraging/scout drones. But once the Brain Bug realized there is an enemy hive they will just swarm the shit out of the xenos.

What if most of the fighting was underground? Ambush hunters would have the advantage there. I agree arachnids would dominate out in the open though.

what about the xeno's using stealth and hit and run tactics in tunnels how well can the bugs sense them?
they are smaller and could hide in hard to reach spots don't the xeno's also change their environment with goo and kind of mold everything?
the bugs are fucking big and bat shit crazy if caught alone or in open xeno would be fucked
but the xeno's can learn and adapt cant they ambush and stealth only way they could fight the bugs

The arachnids would need to devise some way to force the xenos aboveground. Another user had the idea of using the fire spitting tankers for this.

it sounds like a game of cat and mouse the bugs need to draw them out the xenos have to be using aggressive defense to counter they cant just hold up and fucking camp
maybe initially the bugs would be dumb as fuck and charge in the tunnels
basically xenos must avoid open combat 1v1
also xenos should work on trapping a straggler and getting a face hugger on it then the game changes a little

Yeah, if they could produce even a dozen of these motherfuckers that would for sure tip the balance.

who is better at night stalking xenos? weren't the bugs able to be snuck up on even by the troopers?

hell you could go yolo face hugger in to enemy territory and get on a bug before it can be knocked off but then the face huggers need a bit of time to lay eggs and the bugs would give no fucks about stabbing a mate in the head to get the bastard off

to lay eggs you would need a disabled cut off bug from allys long enough to lay eggs even if it retreated and was saved after getting face hugged raped it could pop out later, but if back with the rest of the bugs they would kill it while chest bursting it would have to be isolated

I'm doubting that the impregnation strategy could go far; since arachnids operate at a hivemind basis.

hive mind? oh yeah they would sense something is up straight away then

If the xenos can make even a couple of these they would have a big, strong unit capable of taking down the tankers. Definitely would lose them in the process, essentially disposable, but without them I can't see how xeno drones would take down the tankers.

the bugs might end up winning then if they keep together don't get separated and dig during the day just dig up everything and blast fire into tunnels and stay back expose all tunnels to daylight proceed slow and steady

they could get a bug xeno hybrid if successfully cut off a bug from allys hell after the xeno hybrid may be able to communicate with the bugs or read their minds know their plans

I was thinking about this. They'd probably kill their own units the moment the chestburster began to grow.

Also, are we aware which caste of arachnids are responsible for reproduction? I'm assuming brain bugs do a Queen/drone thing with the regular soldiers?

I guess you're talking aliens xenos but if it were alien xenos, xenos by a long shot. God I hate cameron for what he did to alien

>besting bugs
>underground
>their entire civ developed underground including tankers

Xenos are fucked.

i dont know about the bugs reproduction i dont know if it was ever mentioned

i know this though if it was a thick jungle or an abandoned human city you just would almost never find the xenos they might end up losing because its a desert with only tunnel systems and almost no chance to multiply which in the end is their winning tactics against humans stay hidden gain numbers until you out number them then go kill in mass numbers yeah i dunno if they can win the bugs are just to tough

yeah they seem fucked just not tough enough i was partial to the xeno's too but unless they can pull off some wonders with hybrid chest bursters

I think the Xenomorphs have the edge due to each one being intelligent enough to operate independent of a queen.

They're also ridiculously strong for their size comparatively, it's no stretch to say that a single Xenomorph could cripple if not outright kill a single Arachnid in combat.

Tanker acid might not even effect Xenomorphs due to their natural immunity to their own molecular acid.

Wait here's a theory you know how xenos give no fucks and use acid well if they have equal numbers at the start and they engage in a frontal war just the sheer amount of body's and acid it would be a river also the limbs and fighting it would be very hard to see what the hell your stabbing at biting if shit is flying everywhere
the concentration of acid could be dangerous for the bugs because they walk on their stabby legs so sticking your foot in the acid burns off the ends they could also be used in the frenzy to just jam the burning attack limbs back into the xenos

or the bugs could just stampede cavalry style into the xeno ranks,
heres the thing bugs engage and wage war with armies more so than xenos bugs just seem built and function as shock troops
but also xeno are very good at launching themselves and being deadly with their tongue and i think xenos have superior speed and could just duck and weave amongst the bugs

quick question im trying to find a download of the new alien movie and i cant find one i thought it was at theaters why can i find a hdcam of it?

actually after looking at them and getting over my bias for xeno's these things are mental and love a feeding frenzy xenos would be fucked

The tricky part here is how to isolate and keep a bug isolated until a hybrid is produced.

Assuming that the bug hivemind at first doesn't have any idea about the whole xeno impregnation process:

>xenos isolate a bug, probably losing some drones in the process
>xenos disables and facehugs a bug, bug sends out distress
>rest of bug buddies follow
>assuming xenos also operate a similar hivemind set, would either send out more drones to keep said disabled bug within xeno control (assuming that the disabled bug can't broadcast that something fucky is growing inside it) or just withdraw and hope that the bug cavalry just ignore and not mercy-kill their comrade

also was looking for an image of aliens and got this so face huggers and pussy huggers lol

yeah if they don't get a hybrid going its a gg but i think it could be growing for awhile without thm noticing hell if it chest bursts out and everyone is wondering what the fuck man i could slither slither to safety in darkness

I think that the Zerg would win.

No, Formics would.

The bugs are hivemind based, stupid on there own but linked with the brain bug effective at the mass zerg.

Tunnels they can use but it is where numbers mean nothing.

Problem is they do not really sacrifice each other for the greater good as such, if one got facehugged would they kill it? Im not so sure.

Xenos are smart together and solo using stealth as the main advantage so underground is there area.

Depending how many facehuggers they have they could easily cause havoc because they are small and quick, if they manage to get a few hybrids it could be all over How are bugs at sensing enemies? This is the key area i think because the xenos could pick them off for a while without they realising.
because these are bigger and stronger than both i would think.

also the concern of getting a face hugger onto a bug those jaws would be stronger and just eat it

curve ball are we talking about classic alien drone and human compatible face hugger? or something from Prometheus in regards to the thing that does the egg planting coz that chick spewed out one fucking huge face hugger wasn't that the first of its kind?

Depends which hole the human facehugger could target desu.

Can barely remember Prometheus, only thing i remeber how it started was that david rigged the drink with it, or do you mean the spores from covenant?

i was thinking of the worms that got mutated in the black liquid they sort of looked like dick/snakes
oh never mind they didn't impregnate anyone did they? it was only the girl through the fact the boyfriend was infected, there were no face huggers or anything like that not until the abomination she popped out got big

so yeah queens lay face huggers in eggs only things that continue the breeding i think so it has to be face huggers going after bugs

If anything david mutated them to spores then experimented.

Spores really are the best form, bugs would lose but this is not covenant.

Even though xenos only have 1 queen that is thousands of eggs and facehuggers in which it only takes one to get through to get to the brain.

yeah but that's exactly what the bugs coulndt do against the xenos because of the acid.
if it's like two big blobs of bugs and xenos charging at each other then the amount of fallen bodys and acid would let the xenos slowly push as the ground becomes too toxic for the bugs to hold

who would control it though, the brain or the queen,

I want that thing to penetrate my anus.

>tfw after reading this thread some kind of hyper self-awareness washed over me and I realized it's full of retards seriously discussing this
God damn I need a hobby or something

Doesn't seem like acid, but more like napalm.

It's not acid. That shit is like napalm. It would fuck them up.

You're all small time.

So tankers would just belch their napalm-acid over the xeno-acid pools. Then xenos would melt over those napalm-acid pools, forming the xeno-acid pool again. Ad nauseam.

>Assume around 10,000 drones each to start with.

Xenos. Acid blood and the Arachnids mostly being melee would mean for every Xeno killed, the Bug would take some serious, if not fatal, damage. All the Xenos have to do is break even with kills and they'd be literally bleeding the Bugs to death.

I think the queen, a host is only there to carry the xeno, it doesnt itself become a xeno
just my 2 cents though

these are awful excuses for characters. seems like it was written by a 10 year old

Where exactly are they going to get such a large quantities of acid without fucking themselves over?
Napalm on the other hand is produced in very large quantities with ease and can be shot a good distance.

Acid can be neutralized and I wonder how long it would take for the brain bug to figure out a viable solution.

>Acid can be neutralized and I wonder how long it would take for the brain bug to figure out a viable solution
That's the point though. Tankers have the potential to dilute/cover up xeno acid with their own; not to mention bug workers simply burying acid pool sites if even the tankers can't contain it.
>but muh facehugger tactic
doubt if they can latch and lay onto an orifice where steaming-hot biochemicals come out, let alone approach it (well, Rico manage to splat one from its top, but facehuggies don't carry grenades, do they?)

Arachnids have brain bugs which are much more intelligent than any Xenos, and they have a hive mentality which a Brain bug can direct.

So they have the strength to fight them 1v1, social cohesion, and human level intelligence leading their efforts. I wouldn't put it past them to develop a strategy to neutralize the acid since they have the terrain and the resources it provides.

Arachnids are strong and resilient (they may get hurt or die, but it's not like they're soft humans), and in conjunction with Brain bugs leading them I don't see how they wouldn't eventually win.

Xeno queen has control over it obviously, but it being part-arachnid means it could also be vulnerable to brain bug influence, at least when in close proximity of each other, so the hybrid's a no brain bug assassin, unfortunately.

We don't know how strong the Bugmorphs would be.

what if they impregnate one of these then?

kind of unrelated but what would happen if a flood spore from halo infected a xenomorph? could that even work?

The Thing wins

underage kid. get the fuck off Sup Forums

Acid blood.

Still not convinced it would be effective since the Xenos are pretty heat resistant. They can survive being blasted with a starship thruster and being submerged in boiling lead. I know lead has a low boiling point but nothing else on this planet could survive being submerged for two minutes.

The thing could win against the bugs, not the Xenos

Xeno Queens communicate with their subjects vis a hive mind.

Arachnids are hosts.

Money's on the Xeno's, they are a bio-weapon after all. Also, the queen and other Aliens wouldn't charge head first into a conflict with the bugs. They would analyze and test them and start capturing them until they had strong numbers.

I'm not sure a Tanker bug would do much against an Alien. Molten lead (600+ degrees) and the vacuum of space did nothing but make the Aliens angry. Also Aliens are extremely strong and have quick reflexes to outmaneuver Aracnids.

Flamethrower+tunnel

you say that, but aliens are smart and know how to use their blood as a weapon.
I know AVP isn't canon anymore but an alien loses it's spear tail and starts swinging blood at it's opponent

are you sure it wasnt just swinging because his tail got cut off and it hurt

Once the xenomorphs manage to capture a live arachnid and implant it, it's going to go rapidly downhill for the bugs.

A xeno-arachnid would likely be able to slaughter its way through dozens of regular bugs.

Capture more than a few and the bugs will swarm

Xenomorphs and Arachnids vs TYRANIDS
Who wins?

Obviously nids. They have all the strengths of both combined and turned up to a higher power level and several more besides.

It's shown the Aranids have no regard of their own. Why would they care 100 died or went missing when they have thousands?

>80%

83% fucker. Do you math

Hivemind does not mean 1v1 for every solider.

It means they can fight as a group very well but isolated they are weak.

What the fuck, you faggots? Which Arachnid Bug? The ones from the movie that only use melee weapons, or the ones from the novel, that use laser beam weaponry that can cut through armor like a knife can cut through butter?

In the same movie a group of xenos murder another one to get its blood all over the cage that is trapping their queen, so no I don't think it was an accident

>what is context
OP clearly meant the movie version, bookfags pls go

>Which one gaiz? The /lit/ bugs or the Sup Forums bugs? XD

>bugs get to have two tanks because reasons

Fuck you, faggots.

This is a xeno hive on an arachnid world. Why the fuck is everyone assuming human xenos?

plasma bugs =/= tanker bugs

If its a first contact scenario, xenos easily. If the bugs knew about the facehuggers/potential for arachnomorphs itd be different but initially without knowing to go all out the second an arachnid was captured the xenos' head start with infecting arachnids would net them victory in the end