Arguing with gf about economics

>Arguing with gf about economics
>She's literally a socialist
>Try to explain why that's retarded
>"I just don't believe in a system that creates inequality and oppresses people"
Side note: I don't know if you people have realized, but Campus Tier Feminism has literally fully transition from Social Marxism to straight up Marxism. Her teacher told her that Capitalism is inherently contradictory to Feminism. Anyway:
>Fine, if Socialism is so great, name one socialist country you'd want to move to
Obviously she can't
>"I can't believe you support slavery! People are literally put into slavery because of Capitalism!"
>I don't know if anyone told you this, but slavery is illegal in America.
>"Well it still happens! You're being fucking racist!"
This triggered me. I tell her if she really thinks I'm a racist, then we shouldn't be dating. Then I left and went home. I ignored like 20 of her texts on my way home. After she calmed down, she apologized and said she wouldn't say it again.

Why are women so fucking politically inept? Why can't they argue like rational people without throwing sexist/racist/bigot around?

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Mediocre armchair psychologist here, but I take it her political ideas were never questioned or challenged at any time in her life before now and she got really defensive because she couldn't fathom being wrong after all this time.

youtube.com/watch?v=ZgAEKVOvJ5Q

Show her this and tell her it's a very interesting video to think about. Don't say too much about it just let her watch it and figure the rest out on her own. You will never get anywhere trying force an SJW into learning something they don't want to learn be careful enough how you present it to her and you will be able to red pill her slowly.

Did you watch the democratic convention? It was all about feels and "coming together against hate". 80%+ of the speakers were female.

They see the world from a feelsy maternal point of view because they know they don't get drafter or have to fight off invaders.

>women
>rational
Pick one. I was just watching a video about this, youre done.
youtube.com/watch?v=A4nhJbQ4i-Y

its your job to redpill her, who the fuck else is going to do it
quotes from my gf
>why are muslims such shitty people
>i hate asians
>homos are disgusting
>why're there so many jews in hollywood

feelsgood

College kids have a habit of being up their own ass because they think they're smart (after all they're in college!) They've trained 12 years ago parroting back what their teachers say and do the same in colle ge

After all, if I get good grades I can't be WRONG , right ? Everyone who opposes me is just some dumb redneck who didn't go to school but also we should help the poor but also everyone deserves education now let me pretend to listen to your argument by nodding my head and making an obnoxious ""THINKING"" face before telling you off for not thinking the same as me.

feels good having a red pilled gf who hates feminism and niggers. Too bad shes a bit unstable and insecure due to being raped many times as a child, but i still love her none the less

Shouldn't it bother them that their husbands/brothers/sons will be doing those things though?

>Fine, if Socialism is so great, name one socialist country you'd want to move to
>Obviously she can't
If your girlfriend can't even come up with Norway off the top of her head to this question then you should probably break up with her for being too stupid

supposed to be writing a paper right now, but I'll bite
my gf has this same line of reasoning, but her father was an immigrant from the philippines fleeing the Marcos regime in the 80s, so he was pretty right-wing/redpilled
I'm pretty sure it just comes from growing up in SF, not having any competition at the social/academic level, with his opinions being the only exposure she got to the ideas (minus shill media)

>I don't know if you people have realized, but Campus Tier Feminism has literally fully transition from Social Marxism to straight up Marxism.

I seriously doubt that. I see these American SJWs non-stop talk about racial inequality, transphobia, sexism and so on and so forth but they never talk about class inequality. You know very well why it's like this

Why did you deny being racist?

She fucked tyrone raw in anger and only apologized because she wants you to potentially be her cuck if she does end up pregnant.

hey man just be happy you have a gf

I use trump to fill in the void in my life that is women

Dumb the bitch senpai. You can still have ex-sex, if you have to be a degenerate.

*dump, not dumb (though she sounds dumb)

Nothing wrong with being racist.

bullshit
all I hear about in college is differences between the 1% and the 99%, the "middle class" and "socioeconomic class"

I don't think you understand. She wants Socialism. Big S. As in seizing the means of production Socialism.

>They never talk about class inequality
Bernie Sanders was essentially only popular on college campuses. Trust me, the professors are literally conditioning students to be Socialists. It's scary.

At least you're American OP :^)


>living in cuck capital of the world,
>in a very "hip" area of city
>be young.
>almost all girls are leftist
>don't bother discussing politics as people are very set in their ideals anyway
>any girl who's politcally active is an avid feminist and leftist


I have never been able to maintain a relationship for long after we have had an in depth discussion about poltics.

I would be described as blue pilled here but I'd say I value liberty and individualism.

Rape her

That's fine but is anyone closing down major highways to protest against the differences between the 1% and 99%, like the BLM retards have? Don't think so.

These people may mention socioeconomic inequalities but ultimately they don't give a fuck about it because it overrides their interest in racial diversity

You're both absolutely retarded.

Btw, every single developed nation in the history of developed nation had and has aspects of socialism within them, it's not necessarily a zero-sum situation, especially in practice.

And criticizing capitalism is not inherently marxist, it's only actually marxism if marx's works are applied. Words have distinct meanings which is why we use more then one.

You're both baby-tier cringe factories that don't know anything about anything beyond buzzwords.

You two together in the same room is probably exhausting as fuck.

And she probably think's she's just as smart and knowledgeable as you do while preening yourself despite being an ignorant pretentious little twit whose too lazy to seek out knowledge beyond the marketing you've mistaken for information.

Either accept that there are no shortcuts and get your dumbass to a library, or enjoy being recognized as a dimwitted parrot by anybody who actually puts effort into informing themselves.

It doesn't sound like rationality has anything to do with her political stance. She's throwing around hysterical, nonsensical rhetoric that rapidly deflates when questioned even a little. She gets defensive when she can't answer your questions because it makes her aware of her own ignorance. Rather than examine her stance she resorts to emotion-based arguments and false dichotomies as a last ditch effort to silence you.

It goes something like this abstracted:
>she makes a ridiculous statement with no basis in reality
>you refute it and give a brief explanation why
>she can't retort, having no real knowledge on the subject and grows hysterical
>sets up a false dichotomy where you are either a racist or you agree with her
>now comfortably in a position where she can ignore anything you say as "racist" if it isn't blind agreement, the facade that you were ever having a real discussion is ended

Lol they don't care as long as the money keeps coming

Women are inept because in the past their survival mechanism was based on emotions rather than logic. If a man exhibits logic and a woman is emotionally attached to a man then it stands to reason his logic would save them both if she listened to him (assuming she had a quality man).

Women's brains are different than male brains. Emotional attachments and convictions allow them to be more attached to children and thus care for them better and raise better human beings than a sole male could do in the same situation.

Rationality does not always make sense to a woman. Since emotion affects their brain more, they are more likely to respond to emotional appeals. What fires them up the most is when they feel themselves combining emotions with 'logic' such as in the case of marxist politics. They feel for the first time in their lives they found a political philosophy which corresponds with their emotions and they are thrilled and feel validated for the first time. (women love feeling validated).

Unfortunately, Marxism is not totally logical although if you suspend your disbelief or are unaware of certain facts it can seem that that is the case.

Furthermore, due to feminism, they feel they are a social group and must act as a group to defeat oppressors. Truth be told she probably feels internally conflicted about dating you because you're a white male and she wonders if she is just fueling your misogyny and racism by allowing you to fuck her.

My point is that we are all taught as children that MLK was dope and segregation and all that was super evil. She sees herself in a modern version of that struggle. She knows that throughout her life in schooling and whatnot history has looked back at civil rights protesters and activists as heros. She wants to be a hero, she wants to be remembered and thus validated by history itself that she is correct. Being a feminist r is how she does this. It is what she feels is the moral thing to do.

Good man

I redpilled my last gf over a long period of time.
>She was transgender and a huge bernie supporter
>She now thinks its a mental disease and supports trump
>Even after we broke up she still agrees with me

>it's only actually marxism if marx's works are applied
Cute, a layman trying to act like he's actually studied Marxist theory.

I'm sorry Sven. If it makes you feel better, I've been telling everyone who will listen that the Feminism capital of the world is also the rape capital of the world. That'll red-pill some idiots.

Perhaps now, but like I said, these people in University are being conditioned to think in terms of Marxism. Wait until these idiots are adults and actually affecting the world around them.

Is this delicious new pasta?

>Perhaps now, but like I said, these people in University are being conditioned to think in terms of Marxism. Wait until these idiots are adults and actually affecting the world around them.

They won't, don't you worry. You'll still be able to buy two new Lexus vehicles per year instead of just one. This Marxist ordeal is just for show but the end goal is actually to be anti-Marxist

There's nothing inherently conservative about laissez faire capitalism. Defending it as some foundational principle is peak cuckservative.

Basically every form of degeneracy and invasion we're seeing in the west is happening because it's profitable. They want a homogenized, borderless, valueless, grey consumerist class without any shared history or points of pride. If you look at patterns it's clear that's where "GDP uber alles" thinking leads.

Your girlfriend isn't sharp on this issue, but her instincts are natural and aren't gonna go away. You seem really basic yourself to be honest. Why do you give the word racist so much power? Have you been only recently redpilled?

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Bingo

what the fuck. so she was FtM and you still dated her.

bottom of the barrell'd

fuck freud
you have to write a book

There's a reason why married women are a lot more likely to vote right

Read:
The Creature from Jekyll Island: A second look at the federal reserve
The Anglo American Establishment
Death of the Liberal Class

Then see how "red pilled" capitalism is. The forces that have worked to create SJWs are inherently rooted in capitalism. Theoretical constructs like capitalism and socialism are reductive anyway, but if you don't support at least severe financial and corporate restructuring than you're definitely bluepilled.

>capitalism hasnt enslaved anybody since we abolished it

what is United Fruit Company

Just because you choose to ignore imperialistic tendencies of America does not mean they don't happen. When we benefit from a less developed country, they tend to get shit on.

>gf is blue-pilled to all fuck
>very emotional and sensitive and doesn't understand why I am not particularly fond of BLM or Hillary
>her mom is red-pilled as fuck, christian, and hot
>gf rebelled against christianity in her late teens, driving her to swallow the blue pill
>slowly trying to pump her stomach so I can replace it with the red goodness

How the fuck do you subtly redpill a woman? Especially a very emotional thinker? It's not possible, is it?

I know that feel, I've had arguments like that with a girlfriend in the past. Yesterday I had a similar one with my friends, and tried discussing black crime statistics, cops, the whole shebang. No matter what I did, they always resorted to excuses and desperately tried to ignore the statistics. They're the types that believe they act this way because of white people, and won't accept any reality that states otherwise. I didn't bother trying to bring up race and IQ. It's likely that it's something to do with us, OP, for having these people around.

>Have you been only recently redpilled?
Yes. And I don't consider myself to be conservative, but I recently have found myself agreeing with them more and more

There's nothing wrong with some socialism worked into a decently capitalist system. See my country, one of the best countries by far for quality of life, no ISIS cucking and 5% or less Muslim population

I've said this many times, because I've seen it many times.

Women think based on feels, not logic. They're basically children.

I know, but is that Capitalism's fault?

"Fuck someone broke the law, better give Communism a shot!"

I'm by no means a die hard capitalist, I just think that a full on socialist state wouldn't work in America. Call me crazy.

>tfw no gf
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For 9 years.

Relax, it'll come when it does. No use stressing or pressuring yourself about it

I just pick my fights carefully. I convinced her Islam is shit by saying essentially "I would be killed in over a dozen countries for not believing in god. Btw, most of them are Muslim nations."

You gotta argue emotion to emotion.

>"No! ______ is only bad bc of white people!!!"
Every time

I agree, but she was arguing for balls to the wall, everyone gets paid equally Socialism

You don't want one these days have you seen the shit happening.

DUMP HER

FOR FUCKS SAKE DUMP HER

YOU'RE GIVING INTO THE COMMIE MEME BY CONTINUING TO DATE HER YOU KEK


GET RID OF THE BLUE PILLED BITCH

THEY NEVER CHANGE, Granted, a few years of self-revelation

BUT THEY DONT

END IT OR YOU ARE A DEFAULT SOCIALIST

>I agree, but she was arguing for balls to the wall, everyone gets paid equally Socialism

Kek. Your girlfriend is quite retarded then yes. Good luck slowly trying to get through the barriers she's probably put up

Lurk here for a while:
mpcdot.com/forums/forum/4-the-political-asylum/


It'll set you on the right path. You're at an early stage where you reflexively want to disagree with liberals on everything (which is a place where I think all converts start at, so don't feel bad). MPC is pretty much the foundation of modern alt right thinking, though most people don't know it. All the LARPy ideas like "pagan fascism" and naive ideas like "muh free market efficiency" get thrown into the grinder there, and it's pretty brutal. Usually what comes out is very grounded, reasonable, and healthy-minded. You won't find a better pair of training wheels than lurking MPC.

fpbp.

I had a pretty ultra liberal gf and i got her to hate jews.

I showed her some shit.
She seen some shit.

Women should be conservative
Men should be progressive

i agree.

the idealism of socialism should be held partly back by the ruthlessness and effectivity of capitalism to create something beautiful.

>even if you show them the truth they won't believe it

That's some prophetic shit right there.

I suggest you start by sharing things that make it hard to defend Muslim/Islam when such things inevitably happen, or shit regarding Hillary where she's shown blatantly lying or stuff like that.

Preferably without you hammering on about what your opinion is on the matter, let her form her own thoughts first as the negativity of these things sinks in over time. How it keeps happening and etc. Maybe a slight comment here and there, it should help slowly open her eyes

this is only if they take arts classes imo. science eng and medicine is about learning how to do stuff

You forgot
>Okay SOME black women might be attractive but all the men are so ugly.
Makes me feel warm inside each time she rants about how much she hates blacks.

Fucking cut my self on that edge there bud

literally what any person instinctively does when confronted with life altering truths. OP just take it slow and be patient and explain to her the death camps of Stalin and the fallacy of socialist economy, the censorship in china, etc etc. its not rocket science bro

I know but we have to try if we give up on people we are screwed anyway so we don't really have a choice but to try and wake people up.

Oh I agree; it's just uncanny how on point he was.

this, idiots think by screaming facts people will learn things, the more someones ideals are ridiculed the more they will try to defend them, you have to be careful when dealing with idiots and spoon feed them so they feel like they are discovering it themselves, personally id say these people need ego death more than anything but who knows

>capitalism is inherently contradictory to feminism
College used to be a place of objective sciences and higher learning

To be fair, it's a gender studies class. I mean, who would take that seriously?

When did academia fall into such ruin and why did it happen?

damn. can you tell me me something doc? sometimes i argue with myself... which is not cool because it soon get's to weapons and i'm tired of being in hospital cause of opened rib cages and whatnot

Exactly right and I know this may sound silly but it's the truth and there is a way to save humanity and the way to do it is to help wake everyone up to what's really going on.

Every conversation , every youtube comment , everything all shapes public opinion and it all trickles down.

If everyone does there part and everyone spreads the word and trys to help wake people up and teach them how to think for them selfs again THEN WE WOULD SEE REAL CHANGE.

NOW ANONS PLEASE TAKE THESE WORDS VERY SERIOUSLY.

I NEED YOU ALL TO DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN TO WAKE UP AS MANY PEOPLE As YOU CAN.

When everyone plays their part it spreads and it multiplys untill eventually everyone will be awake.

NOW WHO'S WITH ME

''The pen truly is mightier than the sword''

My point is they shouldn't even allow classes like this in the first place. I took a mass communication and diversity class because I had to and it was fucking laughable. Maybe it's just because I was a junior in a freshman class but holy shit. You have to be literally retarded to not get an A in these classes. Some kid next to me told me he had a C and I had to stop myself from looking at him like his head caught fire.

My gf isn't really political so it's quite difficult to subvert her.
I think in deep level she Agrees with me or she's actively suppressing her feelings in order to still be with me (I see she has way too much feelings for me in order to break out with her)
One time:
>gf says something on color
>ironically say: Racist!1!1
>B-b-but I am really not..
>"stfu. First off you don't need to explain something Like that to me. Remember I don't care what you are, racist nazi or whatever"
>she gives me the look
>she leans her head on my chest and puts her arm on me and start cuddling my hair as we continue watching the movie

oh shit I almost forgot! Her father is some leftist cuck and When we visited her father first time, I SHIT YOU NOT-
There was a picture of black dude dressed as superman on His fridge.
I kekked

>arguing politics with close friends/family

not worth it at all IMO

just introduces unnecessary stresses in relationships if you have significant disagreements

>My gf isn't really political so it's quite difficult to subvert her.

All that matters is that she's able to think freely and for her self. If she's a lefty don't bother trying to argue with anything it never works just try to teach her and help her learn how to think clearly and rationally and things will work naturally from there on out.

There is a reason that people on the right tend to be more civil and it's because we are able to think critically and be able to entertain the thought of an opposing idea without accepting it and thus we can reach a rational unbias conclusion on things.

By the sounds of it she's ok thought but just if you need to ever say anything you know how to do it.

No idea what's wrong with you guys from Scandinavia that you keep telling yourselves socialism is a great ideal.

It is not. Equality or freedom. He who pushes equality wants to take your freedom. There is nothing between socialism/capitalism. In the long run every social democratic system will transition to socialism. Stop your denial.

>There is nothing between socialism/capitalism
fascism

My ex, who's ethnically Danish and Norwegian, once told me that she was more scared of white supremacists than anything else. I didn't even know how to respond to that, but I ended up just telling her that she really doesn't have much to worry about from them.

It's really incredible how effective liberal indoctrination has gotten, though. A girl who is basically the aryan ideal is more afraid of imaginary nazis than she is of something real like gangs or drugged out bums.

keep feeding her info like i did to my ex, she going so hard core right wing that she gone from SJW to hating Muslims. She was pretty entrenched in the shit too.

I really am glad I've managed to redpill my friend's sister. The only things she's fine with are homos (being apparently bi herself), but as far as niggers/kikes/etc are concerned she's good as any of us. Some black guy at her work asked her out to go clubbing and she immediately broke into tears and got him suspended for 'harassment', feelsgoodman.
>inb4 working coon, he called out most days

She still wants to go to college and stuff, but it's for some kind of engineering, not another bullshit. She's a bit scared of kids, though, any clue how I should get her to realize it is the ultimate female goal?

I think its because they can't separate emotion from politics.

I know some very intelligent women who's opinions I respect on most things and when it comes to politics they're complete idiots.

My aunt for example is an English Professor, very intelligent; but if I discuss gun control with her I can rattle of statistics at her till I'm blue in the face and she'll sit there and listen and concede that I'm making good points and then just follow it up with some bullshit about how she "feels".

The fact that they "feel" instead of "think" things is indicative of the basis of their opinions and it makes them very easy for politicians to manipulate.

Exactly The only way to fix things is to restore reason , don't try arguing with idiots help teach them how to think not what to think and eventually they will find the right answers by them self's.

>women
>Why can't they argue like rational people without throwing sexist/racist/bigot around?

That's not a woman problem, it's a progressive liberal problem.

I had my own mother call me an anti-semite for saying that I don't think Israel is a good ally to the United States.

I don't even really dislike Jews that much, although as with all peoples I think they have elements of their culture deserving of criticism (nepotism for example).

When I asked her why she though Israel was a good ally she just sat there stumped for a minute and then said something about the Holocaust. I told her she should stop getting her opinions from movies, that didn't go over well.

>tfw you fell for the communism has never been tried meme,and then slowly morphed into an apologist for Stalinism

I was such a fucking faggot back then,it took a few years of working and a slowly growing sense of how emotionally driven my beliefs are to snap me out of radical leftwing thought,that and watching a shitload of videos about classical liberalism and the value of a free marketplace of ideas. I wrote an essay defending Hugo chavez's actions like the useful idiot I was too....the shame will never go away fully until i'm dead, Sup Forums, and i deserve it.

>When I asked her why she though Israel was a good ally she just sat there stumped for a minute and then said something about the Holocaust

this. two wrongs make a right.

yeah these socialism types understand only emotions

you need to grab her throat, start choking, and maniacally screaming BUT IF WE ARE ALL PAYED THE SAME WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WORK HARD????? YOU SEE THOSE HOSPITALS? YOU SEE THE FOOD, THE SHELTER, YOU SEE EVERYTHING GOOD IN THIS WORLD, WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER MAKE THESE THINGS? WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER PUSH THEMSELVES? WHY WOULD ANYONE WORK HARD???? IF I BUST MY BALLS 20 HOURS A DAY TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL, AND YOU JUST REDISTRIBUTE IT, WHY WOULD I EVER WORK HARD???? WHY DID SOVIET UNION USE SO MUCH SLAVE LABOR???? WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER HELP ANYONE? WHY WOULD ANYONE EVER WORK FOR ANYONE OTHER THAN THEMSELVES???? WHY WOULD ANYONE TRY HARD, WHEN ALL YOUR WORK, ALL YOUR EFFORT, ALL YOUR EVERYTHING JUST GETS TAKEN AWAY????????
EVERYTHING GOOD IN THIS WORLD WAS MADE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANTED TO PUSH THEMSELVES, TO WORK HARD, AND TO ENJOY THE FRUIT OF THEIR LABOR

idk those socialist types can listen only when you are screaming emotionally in their face i think

> As in seizing the means of production Socialism
That's already Communism, m8. Sorry to tell you. You must dump the bitch.

It doesnt really matter how you call a system its always rich using power to dominate poor anyway
Also USSR was totalitarianism and not socialism. Socialism is switzerland.

It doesn't work that way unfortunately you need to understand that these people are beyond rational thought and will not listen to reason no matter how obvious the facts are they will refuse to believe it.

The only way to fix them is to slowly help them learn how to be rational and teach them how to think and then let them figure the rest out on their own.

I swear the rational people will soon enough have to make some sort of secret societies or something, a place where you can go to work hard and fruits of your labor do not end up redistributed.

Once debating fails, what is left? Violence? Hiding? And debating really is failing.. maybe once they degenerate into utter Africa slums because there's no one left to work for them to redistribute, they might see some reason.

>confusing governmental systems with economic systems

lay down the vodka boris

Mfw i slide in your girls DMs with so many blue pills that she literally licks my sack between her chicano studies classes

Read this and this is how we will fix the world.

"Goverment system" is a buzzword friend, it all comes down to who and how controls money in the country

Dude, don't argue with woman about politics, you're higher than that.

maybe he wanted an excuse to tell us that the has a gf

I admire you for not taking her shit and not being a pussy