How exactly is this the "perfect organism"?

How exactly is this the "perfect organism"?

>muh acid blood

It's a survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

I think the only thing that can save this franchise is somebody from Weyland-Yutani appearing in the next film talking about how they always send complete morons into space and their entire goal was the creation of the Xenomorphs.

It would be an amazing scene with the execs confronting David congratulating him for fluffing his programming completely shitting on his self indulged image of being a god.

It perfectly turns me on

It's perfect in terms of essence. It exists and lives solely for the purpose of killing fucking everything.

alien was cool because the aliens were silent, intelligent, and occasionally walked on two legs instead of REEEEEEEE frothing at the mouth monsters

You admire it

DUDE SYMBOLISM LMAO

DUDE JUST BECAUSE I WRITE IT IN A SCRIPT IT MAKES IT TRUE AND SMART LMAO

DUDE SUSPENSION OF DISBELIEF FOR AN ULTRA-HACK LMAO

I admire its purity.

>neomorphs seem infinitely more dangerous
lmao good job Ridley

When you choke yourself like Chris Cornell, but cut yourself free at the same time you cum harder than ever before, because you escape the grasp of Jesus Christ

>"perfect organism"
Oh, I read orgasm. Never mind.

I'm sure this was funnier in your head.

You don't bother with quotation marks when greentexting. Please enjoy your stay though.

Bear in mind that it's a perfect organism based on David's perception.

David is a being designed from scratch by Weyland, who tasked him with figuring out how to live forever based on ancient aliens tech.

To make matters worse David is abused by Weyland's real daughter and filled with various frustrations by Weyland who never fails to mention he's only a creation and an instrument.

Additionally he cannot understand love or sex, because those are alien concepts to him.

Thus he makes an organism that can withstand severe punishment, is generated in a grotesque manner and is both shaped like a dick and uses penetration to violate its victims.

Essentially the xeno is David's Id.

Son of a bitch can survive in the vacuum of space

>Quotes shelley and claims it's the best thing that's ever come out of creation and admires humanity this achievement.
>Wants to kill all humans and replace them for creatures that cant't think of anything beyond eat and reproduce let alone read or write a meaningful piece of pottery
What did he mean by this?

armor skin
doesnt need to breath
armor piercing second mouth/tail
doesnt need to eat to live or grow
can see without light
climb any surface
communicate without words
acid blood

Fucking this, for shitting on humanity he sure enjoyed a bunch of shit created by it

But can a nigga do genetical engineering?

Pleb tier IQ I'd wager

oh, it's got autism.

but who planted the wheat?

>perfect organism

Perfect from David's point of view. David was literally created to make Weyland immortal. Th way David sees things, the xenomorph is the perfect organism, it's virtually unkillable.

Tbf, we don't know that this is all the xenomorphs were capable of. We have never seen them past the earliest stages. If you took the earliest human ancestors, basically bipedal chimpanzees, would you have ever thought "one day they'll land on the moon"? Of course not.

Imagine xenomorphs with 100,000+ years of evolution. Ones who can think in abstract terms, create art, etc. . That would truly be the perfect organism. Physically and mentally perfect.

.....or maybe David just wanted to kill humanity, idk.

My only conclusion is that (ignoring Aliens) we've never seen a civilization xenomorphs would make if left alone to their own devices.

In earlier versions of Alien the xenomorph was just stage 2 in the alien's development cycle where it was feral basically and if left to grow would eventually reach a mature stage where it develops intelligence.
Essentially their growth cycle has phases and once it reaches a mature form you're dealing with an intelligent organism.

Maybe David has that in mind as the final product so to speak and the xenomorph we end up getting is just an unfinished version he managed before he gets stopped.

The xenomorphs in Covenant aren't the same ones from Alien, it's obvious David pumped those eggs full of testosterone.

>it's virtually unkillable
>Cameron's Aliens has them bite it by the hundreds

Fuck Ridley Scott and fuck Alien

not beholden to the laws of thermodynamics > ability to do science

The Shelley quotes should make it obvious. David hates his creators. In Prometheus, especially, they make this very clear. He is furious that his entire existence boils down to:

1. Humans thought it would be fun to make him
2. Humans thought he would be useful

And that is it. He revels in the idea of making humans as helpless and worthless as he has been in his entire existence. That's part of the reason why he maliciously infected Holloway in Prometheus, after having the conversation with him about the Engineers ("what if your creators made you 'because they could', how angry would that make you?"). Human scientists unintentionally gave David real, human emotions, like Dr. Frankenstein in Shelley's book.

The Alien series has really fallen. Alien was great, Aliens was great and Alien 3 was great if you watched the assembly cut. Resurrection was "meh" but still fun.

Everything after Aliens has just been downhill though. I love Alien 3 and it's probably my favorite, but I can see why people hate it. It's a shame, though. Such a wonderful, iconic series destroyed by one of it's original artists. So very, very dishearteningly sad.

*James Cameron

Scott always wanted the xenomorph to be a nearly unkillable creature that's always taken out by strenuous methods.

>it's fun!
Get fucked Whedon apologist

>engineers create advanced AI
>advanced AI create other advanced AI
>other advanced AI destroy engineers

like

p o t t e r y

autistic newfag

Cameron made the Alien concept interesting.
As fun as the first film is, it's doesn't carry as much weight. Of course the Alien would be "unkillable" to a bunch of unarmed, ignorant space truckers. The true horror is realized when an entire team of well-armed and trained professionals take on the fully realized threat (multiple xenomorphs) and fail.

It's not a great movie but I can say some parts are fun. The part with the aquatic scenes I liked. It's mediocre at best and a lot of it is pretty bad.

It's more parody of the first three.

I still think Alien 3 is the best if you watch the assembly cut. Theatrically, I'm stuck between Aliens and Alien. I think Aliens leaves more of an impression because I saw it when I was younger and couldn't stop watching it.

I appreciate Alien more as I got older, though.

It ended at Alien 3.

I don't really agree. I think Alien and Aliens were great, Aliens 3 was mediocre but watchable. Resurrection was bad, AVP was mediocre but "dumb fun"...... but I genuinely like this new direction that they're going in. Prometheus was really entertaining, although I think Ridley was constrained by the corporate guys (who wanted him to make the movie more "Alien"), and I liked Covenant as well. The series definitely fell with Resurrection and AVP, but I think it's taking a new direction and I love it.

But for fuck's sake, can we stop having alien infestation scenes that look like deepthroat pornography?

The really ironic thing is that wheat is the perfect organism.

except the Marines were sent to fail in Aliens

It seems like he went the exact opposite direction of Prometheus with this one. They abandoned almost every plot thread from Prometheus in minutes and just went generic Alien horror mode.

I want to fuck it

I actually agree with you. I think Resurrection was the worst out of the first four, but I still liked a few of the characters and a couple scenes. Don't get me wrong, out of all four original Alien movies, it's the worst.

I did not like AVP. Prometheus was okay in a couple parts but the story was really bad.

Did you try to watch the assembly cut of Alien 3? You really need to.

>pottery

Maybe. The confusing part is the "black goo", and what it does. Is it meant to create xenomorphs? Or did David just alter it that way? But yes, the whole cycle is deliciously ironic. Especially the way that humans create AI which is so advanced, that it doesn't even really care about humans. It wants to kill the Engineers.

Their corporate overlords anticipated their failure, yes, but the viewer doesn't exactly know this for sure until it is revealed. Furthermore, you still see the Marines get their asses kicked the whole film despite their fully functional equipment and training.

You must make a friend of horror.

You cant fucking say this and defend alien 3 and resurrection in the same post

i understand it now

>Engineers create black goo to wipe out humans
>Humans create robot which wipes out engineers

it's like poetry, it rhymes. the creations killing the creators.

>virtually unkillable
>gets btfo by 100lb women in literally every encounter

>I did not like AVP.

AVP is a guilty pleasure movie for me. It makes no sense and ruins the Alien timeline (to the point that Scott and Cameron both declare it non-canon), but it's dumb fun.

>Prometheus was okay in a couple parts but the story was really bad.

Fair, but as weird as this sounds, what I love about Prometheus is what they were *trying* to do. The dialogue was not strong, and they wasted some excellent actors (the two best actors, Elba and Theron, have what, like 10 minutes of screentime?), but the concept was fantastic. And I was fascinated by David, Fassbender did an incredible job with that character and really stole the show.

>Did you try to watch the assembly cut of Alien 3? You really need to.

I didn't. I have to be honest, I watched the regular cut once (I think it was DVD or VCR) and never went back. Just wasn't a great movie, never caught my attention.

it's an all-purpose mutagen

>their fully functional equipment
canon USCM gets hand me down Army gear
>and training
they were weekend warrior tier at best

Ridley has already confirmed that Lord Byron was a xenomorph.

I believe it is a transparent reference to Frankenstein's monster, who also quoted lots of poetry and wanted to exterminate humanity.

I agree with all of your opinions. I think you're pretty intelligent and we agree on quite a bit.

I'd highly recommend that you watch the assembly cut of Alien 3. It's almost 40 minutes longer, continues a new subplot and a lot of restored music and footage. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt it's a fantastic film. The only thing I didn't like was some questionable VFX work, but seeing more of Clemens, the prisoners (you get to learn a lot more about their names), more about the company, Ripley, the xenomorph, excellent Fincher direction and dark humor, it's just great. You won't regret watching it.

You're right on the theatrical though. I did like it a lot when it came out because I felt like there was more to it and, when the new version came out, it really vindicated my thoughts.

I think it's more than that. The humans created a robot that wants to wipe out ALL of its creators*. That includes humans, and the creators of humans, the Engineers. David is visibly irritated by the way he's dismissed by humans, and even more than that, he's irritated by the idea that humans themselves, his creators, are nothing more than a race of "Davids" for the Engineers.
*IIRC, the exact line from David in Prometheus is "don't we all want to surpass our parents?" .

>gets btfo by 100lb women in literally every encounter

By sheer dumb luck....and come on, Ripley is clearly not normal. Not only for a woman, but for a human. She's a legit action hero.

Autism/10

citation needed

I don't get it, how does Covenant connect to Alien? Like, what's the speculated sequence of events?

Let me give you advice

Stop. There are no answers. There will never be answers.

that very same book

>If it can murder a lot of shit it's perfect organism
Lmao not really, if we consider that the main mission is to survive and reproduce. One can argue that water bears are much more sophisticated than ayliens just based on how awesome they feel on earth and how many there are of them.

>Spend years forging the perfect organism
>Have to watch it run face-first into the maw of an inorganic crane

Being David is suffering.

How did the second xeno end up on the ship?

>DUDE A THIN GLAZE OF RELIGIOUS ICONOGRAPHY IS ENOUGH TO COVER A WEAK PLOT AND NONSENSICAL CHARACTER MOTIVATIONS
>DUDE IT WORKS FOR EVANGELION

>if we consider that the main mission is to survive and reproduce

But what if that isn't its main mission? If that was the point, why not just make some bacteria? There is more to it than that. I don't pretend to know what, exactly, but it's not just survival. IMO, there is a real symbolic aspect to it. David wants to create the monsters that kill his creators.

I know this is autistic, but I am genuinely interested in the USCM's backstory. Surely the US does not dominate the globe, so at "best" they're just the strongest part of a global force. The humans in Alien are clearly a multicultural group. The only thing they have in common is English (which is already the "global language" in 2017 and only growing stronger). Again, I know it's autistic but I would love to see the backstory of how that all came together.

>make perfect organism
>don't put eyes on it

When was there another xeno that grew up? I thought they managed to kill them all, excluding the one crushed by a crane.

Water bears don't look like penises enough

David vomited it

>talking about how they always send complete morons into space and their entire goal was the creation of the Xenomorphs.
genius

Anyone else feel really sad when Oram shot the neomorph when David calmed it down?

Was it Scott's intention to make you feel for the creatures' plight?

>3/4 of the way through movie
>Writers suddenly remember this is an Alien movie so they need a tuff female protagonist
>Daniels jarringly morphs into quip-spouting female Rambo

Considering this comes on the heels of two female crew members going full panic mode and dying to an alien the size of a rabid cat - it felt a bit out of place.

Why wouldn't David see robots like himself as the ultimate organism? 1000 Davids would be a lot more dangerous than 1000 xenos. The xenos are basically just animals. More dangerous than any lion or tiger, but still just animals. An army of humans could easily wipe out a horde of xenos. Humans are a stronger organism than xenos, because of their intelligence. Xenos are not virtually unkillable - guns kill them easily enough. David already exists, and he doesn't need thousands of more years of evolution to become more dangerous than humans.

it popped out of the injured dude's chest.
he got raped by a facehugger earlier. his buddy ripped the facehugger off him, but he had already been impregnated

It feeds on life. Dormant till whenever.

Like a god damn tulip.

Surely this was the actual intention, right? A consistent them in these movies is to send an idealist+a bunch of idiots+one Weyland shill (usually an android).

Also, can anybody else explain Idris Elba's pseudo-American accent in in Prometheus? I'm American and I thought he did a great "black American" accent in The Wire, but in Prometheus it just felt wrong, like he was trying to copy a white Texan. Who told him to do that? And where can I send them a complaint letter?

control-F Army
>one result
>"the Marines work for the US, and so does the Army"
Really bursts my chest there.

>chestbursters fuck off ASAP to grow into a monster
>backbursters murder everyone nearby
Honestly the only flaw that the neomorphs seemed to have is that they don't attack gay robots

>Willingly allowing yourself to be put into a stasis pod that is only one bad bump away from flooding your environment with oxygen until it ignites and burns you alive

It's just a small group of well-armed and trained professionals that unexpectedly have to face a much greater number of xenos than they are ready for. There's nothing in Aliens which suggests that the xenos would be able to take down a properly sized force of humans, or to stop the humans from just nuking them from orbit.

Right? All I could think of throughout the movie was how they could use much more of these android, considering they have CPU up in their head, are highly moral and strong af. All they lack is a line of code that prevents them from harming the crew I suppose.

The US doesn't have to dominate the globe, because American corporations already dominate space.

Maybe it was some bastardized attempt at a new accent, considering culture is likely much different in the 2090's or whenever the movie takes place.

To the movies credit, I really liked how the neomorph went into a sort of calm humanoid stance before it attacked. The idea that it was trying to mimic human appearance is very unsettling.

It's why the crew was so quick to check out the planet

>Was it Scott's intention to make you feel for the creatures' plight?
wtf? the creature was a complete asshole. fuck that albino, moms gonna freak teeth having, skinny bitch alien. Faith Captain killing it was the only right thing he ever did

>Why wouldn't David see robots like himself as the ultimate organism?

David was programmed as a servant. It's easy for us to see David as the ultimate organism, he got his head ripped off and was still working, but David himself is fundamentally incapable of seeing himself that way. This is only my dumbass self's opinion, but I thin David simply cannot think of himself as "above" humans. He can hate them, he can hurt them, he can make monsters to kill them, but on his own? Nothing. The best he can do is what he did to Holloway in Prometheus (poisoning a human on the orders of another human).

Let's give human scientists of the future some credit, do you think they would design an AI who could deliberately harm a human of its own volition? No. David infects Holloway and causes all this because of what his human programmers (acting on orders from Weyland) told him to do.

He's less special if he isn't an only child

You have a point, in that we both agree Alien is not a very "scary" franchise. John Carpenter's The Thing handled alien horror in a much more brutal and yet also psychological way. Instead of having a monster that purposefully resembles genitals (and having the audience get "creeped out" because muh sex, rape, and Freud), Carpenter envisioned a truly grotesque creature that is almost indescribable in both the visceral and literal senses.

I thought the neomorphs were pretty cool in general, they just clash with the rest of the series in my view since they seem more effective than the xenos despite the audience being told the opposite.

I figured it was because the captain was a Christfag and thought the message was a 'Sign' or something.

in mentioned in the part where theyre talking about tanks

>do you think they'd design an AI that could deliberately harm a human
You do realize one of the major themes since the very first movie was the moral ambiguity of artificial intelligence right?

Well consider that 'NEOmorphs' come canonically BEFORE the Xenomorphs.

So why the fuck are they referred to as 'Neo'?

It's just dumb writing for a quick franchise cashgrab so best not to look too deeply.

>(((Weyland)))
>(((Synthetics)))
Poor Shaw

Lol, that's a very fair point. It would also explain why "Elizabeth Shaw" sounds like she is from a Latin country (Latin America or Southern Europe). But everyone else talks "normally". Shaw sounds like an American who grew up in a "latino" area (she sounds like my little sister from Miami. Even Charlize Theron, who is from South Africa, speaks in a perfect American accent.

But Elba....wtf. I like the guy, I thought he was great in Luther, great in The Wire, but somebody should have told him to switch to a normal accent. It actually bothered me in the movie, it was just that bad.

I thought it was really cool that being 'a person of faith' was cause for discrimination in the future. That seems entirely realistic.

Yes, but that doesn't invalidate that they were working on specific orders from someone high-er up.

Ash in Alien was working on behalf of W-Y.
Bishop was a subversion of that since his loyalty stayed with the people he worked with (as he got no specific orders from elsewhere to act otherwise).
David works on behalf of Weyland himself, and once Weyland dies he goes rampant and starts experimenting on his on behalf. David is also unique and was likely given more independence since Weyland had him as his agent and Weyland was desperate for results.

still got nothing on tardigrades

Oram says the neutrino spooked the crew and they didn't want to go back to hypersleep. The new planet found was close enough that they didn't need to go back to sleep and was suitable for colonization.

I think that in Dracula 3000 they did that too

A neo couldn't see or sense a dude from 5 meters away and got fucked up fairly easy by a rifle.

it was both