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when did you realize that all worthwhile morals can be objectively derived and faith is a worthless denial of reason?

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Probably before I was red-pilled and still a degenerate lefty in college.

After breaking out of zombie mode, realizing I was brainwashed and demoralized, I saw the truth.

Check my sick OP dubs faggot. Kek doesn't need your faith - he simply exists.

>all worthwhile morals can be objectively derived

How are you going to explain your objective derivation of moral principles to your 4 year old kid?

IDK

when i was like 14

when i wasn't born retarded

Same here

The Golden Rule is a useful meme. Everything beyond that is education. There are no road-maps to the universe.

"Do X and be a good Y because i tell you to, because i am your dad/mom"

You can easily emotionally blackmail little kids just telling them you wont love them anymore if they disobey.

The funniest thing is the people who turn to religion or dig in and use it not as some spiritual bulwark, but as an excuse for their own shitty behavior. They know what's moral and immoral, but they turn to religion because they don't want to be moral people. They want to sin, and so they hide beneath the cover of God as an excuse.

Literally the worst fucking people.

The people that get up on a soapbox and screech about how things are immoral are screaming meteors that theologically are headed right for whatever hell ideal they believe in. They're self-destructing and trying to drag the entire world down with them because they can't handle their own shit.

Always? all my family is atheist, I had no reason to think otherwise.

>op postulates a truth
>fails to provide proof
Lol nice """""realization""""" but I think you're experiencing false insight tbhwu.

>morals can be objectively derived
No they cannot.

>smoking
Absolutely disgusting

Silly goys, everything is relative. Things are only objective in the sense of fulfilling the objective you laid out for it, which is always a product of your own making. Worse, some people are so insecure that if they don't have some idea of objectivity they think everything becomes meaningless, etc.

Everything is meaningless. From one point of view. The fact that other viewpoints exist already does away with objectivity on any given subject. Worse are moralfags. Some people treat most holy Morality as another member of the Christian pantheon and tend to scream and cry over muh morality.

It's entirely relative, because "proof" is only so when it fulfills the arbitrary requirements you laid out for it to fulfill.

Which takes me to my next point, you do not know where your decisions come from. They just happen. I can make a post on this website, whoops, I don't know how I do it. It just happens. How do I decide to post, decide to make my hands work the keyboard, how do I decide not to post, and I surely didn't decide on deciding, or decide on deciding on deciding. You have no control over anything. Everything just happens.

If you're bothered by ideas of objectivity vs subjectivity you have no eyes.

>No objective standard for truth

When "so what?" is a devastating critique of your worldview, you should probably just show yourself out.

When I was a fedora fag brandishing a katana that was folded a thousand times.

>bunch of goberligoo
You should have stopped at "Silly goys, everything is relative."
That would have been enough to signal you're a retard.

You are correct, but only for people at 100+ IQ

You need Religion (Christianity) for the stupid people to behave themselves.

I see you've been watching christopher hitchens debates on youtube. simply ebbin, friend.

I don't think she'll live long enough for smokes to take a toll user

are you saying im an anti-semite and that you want to shut me down

It's a shame she won't live.

But then again, who does?

>Which takes me to my next point, you do not know where your decisions come from. They just happen. I can make a post on this website, whoops, I don't know how I do it. It just happens. How do I decide to post, decide to make my hands work the keyboard, how do I decide not to post, and I surely didn't decide on deciding, or decide on deciding on deciding. You have no control over anything. Everything just happens.

Yeah, but you have the ability to recognize patterns and self-reflect on correct future action. The world has an objective reality from which relationships between entities derive. There are modes of behavior and existence that are universally preferable among sapient intelligences.

If we ever meet an advanced race of methane-breathing space squid people, aside from instances of barbaric cultural regression, they will likely share our ethical views on murder, theft and violation of others' freedom.

faith is compatible with reason.
everyone has faith (whether blind or intentional). you have faith in reason, and a thousand other things, without which your world would fall apart.

And you really don't have any control on whether you self reflect or not, it just happens. And why would you say there's this objective ground of being? I think so too, but adding "objective" on to it just sounds pretty gay to be honest. Like do people think before they say things? How much do you just regurgitate without even realizing it

You do know every one of your thoughts is derived from the rest of the universe, you only have things to think about because you perceive a reality in the first place, that's what you mean by something "objective". But what does that do for it? Nothin. "Objectivity" is something that exists inside your head that you picked up from other people and things over the course of your life. When you quiet down for a moment and stop yer thinking then you see for realsies.

in the moment i was euphoric

This is a complete trufact. Every single person has a sort of metaphysical assumption they can't prove, and almost always can't be disproven either. When you come across someone you consider a retard but is talking a lot, try to figure out their basic metaphysical assumption they're basing all their reasoning off of.

Is it because you were enlightened by your own intelligence?

Yep, the conscience is both natural, just like the Bible says:

"They demonstrate that God's law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right." Romans 2:15

Someone hasn't read Burnham or Haidt.

Educate yourself.

ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind?language=en

Literally when I became a satanist and joined a global secret fraternity.

Elaborate your reasoning

>objective morality
Nice meme

>cult of reason
>league of the militant godless
>juche
>khmer rouge
>atheism plus

This pic is making me stiff. Time to put the lotion on again ;-)

I think that level of reason requires a relatively high intelligence quotient. Religion is cultural conditioning and helps the

I'm sure you would find it okay to know one of your friends go to his father's grave to spit on his photo when noone's looking. The fact most people would agree with you is just a coincidence, as all is relative.