Why would it be easier to terraform a planet like this instead of just fixing shit on Earth?

Why would it be easier to terraform a planet like this instead of just fixing shit on Earth?

And yeah I know the planet's habitability turned out to be bullshit, but come on. They seriously couldn't tell just by LOOKING at it?

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I'm sorry. I'm awfully gassy today.

Why didn't they just build greenhouses or other quarantine buildings for crops and plants? I'm sure there's gotta be some way to survive on Earth rather than pumping trillions of dollars into space travel and a huge space station where humanity should live on.

I think the movie stated that the crop virus was also modifying the atmosphere to make it inhospitable

because movie logic.

>Spend Quintillions of dollars jumping through wormholes and terraforming new planets

>Spend said quintillions on using the resources and every scientist on Earth working to cure / stop the virus...

... ... up up and away!

So rather than build domes or something with an artificial atmosphere that supports human life we should build a space station with an artificial atmosphere that supports human life and then somehow get god knows how many people there?

why did they have to land on the water planet to see its unsuitable?
couldn't they like see the big ass waves from space? Or make a few calculation about the tidal forces on that planet?

the woman scientist was responsible for analyzing habitability

Because eventually the virus will infect the dome

figures

but not the space station?

If the problem with the earth was widespread pollution, cleaning at a global level would be very difficult. Bioremediation is fine for anything organic that can be broken down by bacteria or other organisms, but some chemicals and heavy metals won't be handled easily - they will require widespread detailed attention. Most terraforming stuff is based on the idea of magical atmosphere converters and then the release of appropriate plants and bacteria that will propagate themselves across a planet with little need for interference. So in the world of made up science, terraforming wins.

How does the virus not travel across the stars with them to the new planet?

How do they stop the virus from coming aboard the spaceship?

With the amount of materials, humans, and vegetation needed to sustain or build such a project, the virus surely would follow if it is as persistent as implied in the movie.

This. Same reason it's somehow easier to train oil drillers to be astronauts than to train astronauts to drill.

the wormhole kills the virus

lol shut the fuck up already nolan

Who cares, the virus is just a plot device for the interstellar travel, it really doesn't matter.
If I wrote an elabore answer of how finding an another planet was really their only option that still doesn't change or affect the quality of the movie.

You fuckers are only capable of arguing about literal plot points, it's pathetic.

Then why not leave out the virus entirely?
Just make a movie about astronauts exploring different planets

DUDE THE PLOT DOESN'T MATTER LMAO

the spaceshits don't even go through the wormhole

Because with the virus premise the whole humanity is at stake, leaving out the virus means only those few nerd astronauts are at stake.

Or make it so the earth is so overcrowded and polluted that funding for off-world colonization is in full swing.

would be better to be honest
the movie didn't really manage to make us care for mankind
to me it felt that the virus only existed to give the protagonist and excuse to leave his daughter behind

Stop making excuses for lazy writing.

Why not just something that can't be prevented by building a bunch of quarantine greenhouses. Like the ozone layer depleting or something like that.

Look at you, making up some sort of wormhole-surviving virus

>can build flying vessel that can fly in space as well as in atmosphere and that can get from surface to space with no booster rockets
>can't genetically modify plants to be resistant against virus

Seriously that small spaceship was a fucking joke. It flew around like spaceships do in Star Wars.

The gopro like mounted IMAX shots on the ship were sick though

>need Saturn 5 rocket to escape Earth's atmosphere
>Rangers can fly out of water planet no problem even though it's 130% Earth gravity

This.
The movie explained it, the Earth is gone, that mean they tried everything they could.
But no, here we're arguing "they should have tried harder" with better scientists or others hypothetical things, the plot point is "they tried their hardest already" and because isn't a film about scientists trying to save earth, all you need to know is "the planet is beyond saving".
Instead of taking the canon, you take the path of "what if ?" and speculate on that.
We have even people here asking about "a bunch of quarantine greenhouses or domes" like they knew what the scientist tried or not.

No film would be done if you need a 40 hours manifesto about how they fought the plague, just because you can't take "We tried everything and it didn't work" as a baseline.

if they saved mankind in the end by building a space station, why not just build the same space station in on the earth?

>Dr Mann tries to kill Cooper and almost dooms humanity
Kino

see which is a valid point

The script should be able to stand up to this sort of criticism more easily. Instead it falls apart and you have to resort to explaining away bad writing as "plot devices".

Bullshit. They should have written a better script.

it's called being fuel efficient you mongoloid

they said multiple times that NASA funds are cut

what the fuck? are you being retarded or am I?

Controlling the atmosphere of a closed space >>>>>Controlling the atmosphere of the entire Earth.
You know ? we can make a room sterile, but we can't make the earth sterile.

So the closed, sealed spaces in the lab where we see plants withering away were more difficult to control than a spaceship?

then why not create closed space on earth?
sounds easier to me than to create closed space in orbit around saturn

More on this subject. Why do they need a Saturn 5 when this flying brick can effortlessly make it's way into orbit?

Of course it's more difficult, imagine, you create a closed space in space with nothing outside to expose the inside (you can go out and repair without carrying the blight with you when you go back ) vs you create a closed space in Earth, outside you have The Blight, people have to still go outside to fix the closed space from time to time, human errors, people with some dirt on their shoes,many protocol of decontamination and one mistake and it's over etc....

Pretty sure it's you.
>build the new Ranger that doesn't fly with old conventional fuel
>use old conventional fuel and launch process that get's dumped behind them so they have as much as possible fuel for the Ranger

They don't "need" the Saturn 5 rocket to espace Earth atmosphere, but it's convenient and efficient to use it for the first transportation to the space station.

When did they say anything about "old conventional fuel"? Did you just pull that out of your ass?

but that's the same for space station
you only need one person from earth to bring the blight abroad and its over

>assuming they didnt try spending unknown amount of time and money chasing the cure for a virus
i'm sure they tried
>have the tech and models for sufficient space travel to find a new habitable planet in order to start a colony
why wouldnt they try to colonize other planets when they have this shit?

not sure theres a problem to be found here

And ? you only need to follow the procedure of decontamination one time.
You can even do it many time in space until you are 100% sure, no other source of contamination, on Earth the blight can comeback because you bring in new strains each time you go out.

It's a fair implication. But even if it uses the same fuel, using the old Saturn 5 as the first launch would still be a logical decision if you don't have a shitload of money.
Also I'm pretty sure the Saturn 5 can lift far more mass and materials to the space stations compared to any of those small spaceships.

It's same like when rich people need to move their car to a distant place they will rather put it on a truck than to drive it because paying the truck driver is much cheaper than actually driving the Lambo there.

>on Earth the blight can comeback because you bring in new strains each time you go out.

Now we know you are trolling.

so we agree that contamination can happen both on earth or in space when you dont follow protocol?
we also agree that building that habitat in space is much more expensive then on earth?

Then i see no reason for the space station to be honest

This movie was so dumb.

Especially considering it was supposed to be "muh super researched science movie."

They should have spent less time researching and mkaing sure it was all 100% scientifically accurate and more time writing a screenplay that actually made sense and didn't suck.

>It's a fair implication.
no it isn't

>Also I'm pretty sure the Saturn 5 can lift far more mass and materials to the space stations compared to any of those small spaceships.

If I remember correctly it was lifting two Rangers, which are capable of lifting themselves.

Even if you had a near perfect method of recycling all the resources in your closed space, after some time the tiny fractions of losses in energy and materials add up until you need to go outside for supplies.

i forgot, did the plot ever addressed on why not just go to mars?

and that doesn't happen in space?

No I'm not trolling, but you can correct me ? I must admit I'm French so sometime I try to make my sentence like a French and it can become another sentence.

I mean : The blight is still outside on Earth, each time you go out and comeback you will be exposed.

Why didnt Rom take the other Marine Robot to fly him down to the planet. Fuck waiting 28yrs

>I must admit I'm French

there is no cure for that

Because Mars doesn't have an adequate atmosphere while the other planets in the wormhole do?

because someone needs to steer the ship and the closer he gets to the planet, time gets shorter... he could end up missing them by hours and never know it

and is that really a problem when your alternatives are tidally locked ocean planet and an planet so cold the clouds froze?

Yes,
but you have no Blight outside and on the others planets. Less risk.

That's why they are travelling to a virus free planet so there would be resources available that aren't contaminated.

Earth:
>sun gives energy for life
>Can't go outside so rely upon nuclear energy
>Run out of nuclear energy 10,000 years later
>Dead

New Planet
>sun gives energy for life
>can go outside for resources
>lasts for one billion years till sun becomes a red giant and consumes planet

>inb4 reasons why the virus can or can't do x y z.
The virus isn't clearly described, it's a plot device needed to advance the story.

Why do you assume they knew beforehand ?
They only knew about the atmosphere, The first doctor was dead within 10 minutes and Mann lied.

>If I remember correctly it was lifting two Rangers, which are capable of lifting themselves.
But they didn't just lift the two Rangers, they lifted food, supplies and cargo with it too.
Also I'm pretty sure the small Ranger doesn't use the same chemical fuel as a fucking Saturn 5, there's no fire going out of the Ranger while flying.

but they weren't on other planets, they were in orbit around saturn

No that's where the worm hole was opened, which lead to other planets.

Still planed to go through the wormhole, in the end the old Murphy said:
>She's (Brand) alone, on our new home.

>couldn't they like see the big ass waves from space?
The ship was in geostationary orbit on the far side of the planet from the black hole, in order to minimize the time dilation from the gravity. The wave was a tidal wave that was created by the pull of the black hole, so it was on the opposite side of the planet. That's not actually how tidal waves work, the water level should have just slowly risen from basically nothing to a mile high or whatever, but there's no way the ship would have been able to see the wave either way.

so they were able to survive the blight for like 50 years, and seemed to do pretty well, without ever colonizing other planets

but tidal waves are created on both sides of the planet

>Dr Hugh Mann
Really makes me think

The whole purpose of the Saturn 5 multi-stage design is that tower of fuel and metal is meant to lift a payload that is small in comparison to what's lifting it.

Then comes the Ranger which can lift itself. Something ain't right here.

Yes so your idea that they are stockpiling "old fuel" and use up a massive amount of resources to build and launch a Saturn 5 style rocket, just to save "new fuel" (really, how hard scarce could it be?) is the only workable, if far-fetched, explanation.

I doubt the filmmakers thought as far as this. Nolan just wanted a Saturn 5 launch sequence so that dick could say

Stage one... SEPARATION

>Why would it be easier to terraform a planet like this instead of just fixing shit on Earth?

Take into consideration that we know what's wrong with the Earth and we already have the technology and know how to fix it.

We don't have the technology and ability to send people to visit other solar systems, let alone terraform a planet.

This user has BTFO this

Didnt the ranger only have to fly back to the main ship?
The saturn launch system was to send a space station to saturn

He is a big guy

>expecting science in Interstellar
>expecting any amount of logic in Interstellar

and now you know why people don't like Interstellar.

No. It's another spaceship that is travelling on its way to the new planets.

>Why would it be easier to terraform a planet like this
The planet was useless to them.they only showed up there because Mann panicked and set off his beacon in hopes of being rescued.

So make up some bullshit about sun turning into, red gigant sooner than expected or something, they could have raised stakes in not retarded way

this. terraforming is a

S C A M
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Because there aren't any republicunts on that planet to fuck it up for financial gain.

>the earth is so overcrowded and polluted
Let's try to stay out of the realm of conspiracy theory.

>The saturn launch system was to send a space station to saturn
The saturn launch system is to get a payload into earth orbit. Those stages are dropped on the way into space. You need that fuel to get out of the gravity well of your planet. Once you get free of that its relatively cheap to propel yourself. Thats whythe appolo program needed a fuge huge booster rocket to get off earth, but only needed a tiny little squidgy piece of shit booster to get to the moon and back.

Fixing home is always the sensible answer, senpai.

>Stay on a dying planet
>Leave in the hopes of finding some place new

Because the whole movie is a plothole.

>can build a fully self substaining space ship that can travel the cosmos
>can't build habitats around earth gravity well

not really desu

The time traveling paradox is enough to crumble the whole plot.

>muh scientists worked on the movie

Just shut the fuck up.

I don't know what you lads are on about. The blight was spreading exponentially and every passing cycle left less oxygen in the atmosphere and more nitrogen. We are to assume that Humans have done everything we can do reverse this process but it seemed that it was too late. So we have two options

a)Terraform a once habitable planet (earth) with a known plant eating virus and quarantine the remaining Human population.
This possibility implies we'd have to build a habitat for humans which would carry significant risk of contamination since the habitat would be effectively surrounded by blight.

Clearly not a permanent solutions

b) Have the remaining entire population of earth live in space.

The movie suggested that this was a possibility as John Brand proposed it as Plan A. He didn't actually believe it was possible since it would require discovering a more effective way of gravitational propulsion and they didn't have access to quantum gravity.

Cooper later relays the quantum gravity data from inside the black hole which is why plan A ended up working by the end of the movie.

c)Find a new habitable planet. Typically this would be impossible as even Cooper mentions that any habitable planet is too far away to get to. However with the appearance of the wormhole there were several intriguing possibilities that put habitable planets within a few years of travel.

Therefore plan C is the most reasonable. And the best scenario would be to have plan B coincide with plan C which is what may happen if Cooper can find Brand's new habitable planet.

plays the time travel card
>muh I don't understand physics and so it's a plothole


Tell me how stupid you are irl so I can go about the rest of my day shaking my head at all the dumbass shit I read on this website.

>The movie suggested that this was a possibility as John Brand proposed it as Plan A. He didn't actually believe it was possible since it would require discovering a more effective way of gravitational propulsion and they didn't have access to quantum gravity.


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>they can orbit a black hole
>they can make a space ship that can enter blackholes
>they can't fucking orbit a piece of metal around earth

wat

but it isn't.

1)future humans created the wormhole.

2) present humans go through the wormhole and ensure the existence of (1)

exists in a loop.

just because the future events are perceived to have happened before present events does not suggest any sort of paradox. As hard as it may be to believe, physics does not distinguish between those order so long as they don't contradict themselves.


t. physicist

I don't mate, I'm not the one throwing ad hominems left and right after getting proven wrong because you think interstellar was a smart movie and in your plebean mind you feel intelligent when you watched a movie made by a capeshit director.

Because gravity is love.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_paradox

Explain this then because future humans wouldn't exist due to dying out in the past without the data collected from the inside the wormhole (without counting that was a dumb as fuck way to deliver the message but I can get over that.)

Why the fuck not just terraform Mars? It's right next door and we already have ideas on how to do it.

nigga have you seen Wall-E? They couldn't permanently stay in space, just travel through it. The gravity shit made it possible for massive populations to travel to and live in space.