Did Ridley know most of the story for the navigator ever since the first Alien, or is he making it up as he goes?

Did Ridley know most of the story for the navigator ever since the first Alien, or is he making it up as he goes?

Who cares? Alien wasn't about the jockey.

>Prometheus
>Xenomorph murals are depicted in the Engineer ship, indicating they have existed for quite some time
>Alien: Covenant
>David created the chestbursters/Xenomorphs via genetic experimentation
>Alien
>Jockey room is full of chestburster eggs
>Space Jockey/Engineer is depicted as having a chestburster wound, and the corpse is fossilized - indicating that it's potentially hundreds or thousands of years old
>there's only a ten year gap between Alien: Covenant and Alien

gg ridley

That certainly looks like something that's only been there for less than ten years.

One of the coolest things about this design was how, well, alien it looked. And now it turns out it was just a balding, grey retard with god complex. This series is a disappointment on every level.

you know the answer OP. Stop making up threads for a (You)

Promethius takes place in Alien's "ultimate" universe. It's not the same timeline so anything can happen.

The only main timeline stories are Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2 and Alien Isolation.

>hundreds or thousands of years old
more like millions

predator does not even exist in the alien universe, it's all just crappy a comic crossover

Maybe you're too dense to realize that it's an important theme in the storyline that David isn't capable to actually create new things, he is only capable to parrot things that already exist, and this is what is making him so butthurt

did he fuck

could David create **kino**?

No he could probably only do shitty remakes & reboots & capeshit

this

David is simply modifying the Xenomorph, he did not create it

Predator and Predator 2 are part of the mainline Alien universe. It simply has not been addressed since Predator 2.

Your little slack jawed faggotty post doesn't change that in the slightest.

That engineer must be King Kong size

just like ridley is incapable of doing new good movies?

having one fucking background easter egg doesn't make it a shared universe

so because Freddy's glove appears in the background of a scene in Evil Dead 2, there's a shared Evil Dead/Nightmare on Elm Street universe?

Yes, that is a Space Jockey and no, that is not an Engineer.

Does he have anything on you?

the Fire and Stone comics are canon according to Fox, and those include predators

post a link to the film cunts.

and according to Fox, Aliens: Colonial Marines is canon.

The original production company put them in the same universe.

It seemed that he was all pissed about Fox intending to make Alien vs Predator back in the late 90s, and that prompted him to drop the Alien 3 he was planning with Cameron. So maybe all this backstory has been in the back of his mind as far back as then.

How mad will you be when it turns out david is the space jockey?

Making it up
Seriously, he's a moron

Alien is the only movie thats canon

Androids don't have a skellington nor do they decay

Freddy vs jason vs ash is a thing you know.

Don't worry, user, after Prometheus and Covenant's clusterfuckery logic he will make it possible.

David will find a way

The story will be david going to the engineer homeworld to kill them with the xenomorphs and the last surviving engineer taking the eggs for a bombing run on earth.
But David has turned himself into a chestbuster and smuggles himself into the engineers tummy by pretending to be his dragon dildo.

Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2 and Alien Isolation are all canon.

The other installments are not canon even if the producers say they are because they are not possible.

Aliens Colonial Marines is not canon because it is not possible. The LV-426 installation was vaporized. There's nothing left to go back to.

The AvP movies are not canon because if an xenomorph ever touched Earth we would all be dead.

Prometheus is not canon because the Space Jockey is obviously not an Engineer.

Alien 3 and Resurrection are semi-canon.

They are nightmares from Ripley's cryosleep on the Sulaco.

So alien covenant is a cyrosleep nightmare too?

Geiger made some weird ass sculpture as part of the decor.
There's no particular plan behind it.

Yes a very detailed post script exists cant handle it to you tho.

Everything that doesn't come from The Banster, and his hand-picked coiterie of artists that actually made the movie, that Ridley then showed up to shoot and pretend like he owned it, is heresy.

funny, but what prevents Aliens from belonging to this dream?

The black oil in X-files and the black shit in Prometheus is the same substance.

Alien Covenant and Prometheus are not part of the mainline Alien universe. It is it's own continuity.

There are TWO things that need to happen to make something canon.

1. The creator must declare it canon.

2. It must fit into the possibility of that universes reality. For example. Even the creator cannot simply undo something that has already happened without explaining why. Like making one version a dream or simulation or a story told as an old legend by a third party or some shit. If two contradictory things happen in the same reality then one of them did not actually happen in that timeline period.

Making it s metaphor for Scott himself Bravo Scott

>Xenomorph murals are depicted in the Engineer ship, indicating they have existed for quite some time
Not defending the franchise but those murals could be just religiuse depictions. Maybe Xenos the the Enginers versions of Demons which inspired David to make his creatures look like them

Because Alien Isolation actually happened and is canon.

That's some lovecraftian shit right there. It should've never been addressed again by anyone, let alone this senile fuck

what if he was just a really big engineer?

look at this. why is it so unbelievable?

This.

This, the humans want answers as to why they were created while David is fully aware who created him and why, it pisses him off knowing that he's not "real". Weyland even makes a crack at him about not having a soul.

What boobs do you prefer?
>Sigourney —hairy nipples— Weaver
>Winona Saggy Ride Her
>Noom transitioning Rapace
>Katherine perky dark nipples Waterston
>dead Carrie Henn

Unless they make shrink rays canon then no.

>mfw lanklets will need walking sticks in their 40's

Maybe that was a decorative statue of an Engineer pilot

Like if we put a big statue of an astronaut in our spaceships

>Winona Saggy Ride Her
>saggy
She's a GODDESS and her tits are magnificent. Who are you? How fucking dare you?

David will be the space jockey, mark my words

Isn't that just the shell of the space jockey? I somewhat remember in Prometheus the space jockey coming out of something when you see him at the end of the movie.

>The creator must declare it canon
Scott didn't declare predators and aliens in the same universe canon faggot. He was against it even.

It's not a fossil, it's a suit

>or is he making it up as he goes?

Do you really think otherwise?

Who would win?

Neomorph seems to intelligent to fight

Fox did. They own it
They can declare it. As long as it doesn't contract anything which it does not, then yeah it happened.

lmao

i hate alien so much now

Scott openly admits he's making it all up on the go.

He already said he didn't Decide on David creating the xenomorphs until heated started working on Alien Covenant.

I know and Star Wars and Trek are in the same Universe too.

never explain the monsters

as soon as movie explain a mysterious part of it (like the space jokey) it instantly becomes garbage

Engineers have been experimenting with the goo for hundreds of thousands of years. David did it for about 10. You don't think the Engineers figured it out before?

Alien is the only movie worth watching


they just get worse and worse

The Story connects 2 and 3 really well. The thing that sucks are the mechanics of the game its self.

You realise the engineers have had the black goo/spores/whatever for fucking ages, right? Their whole gig is that they create lifeforms, there's literally zero implication that David was the first one to ever make an alien.
In the end of Prometheus an alien bursted out of the dude after fighting the squid alien.

>Scott didn't
He didn't invent the story.

The one on the right got killed by a few shots from an m16 so yeah...

Hadleys Hope was completely wiped from the face of the planet so no. Not canon.

They made a statue with a gaping hole in its chest? that would be like making a JFK statue with the back of its head missing.

thank god people with taste and proper intellect browse tv

grasping for straws, senpai

That's a stupid retcon and doesn't make any sense. Get outta here!

Fox didn't create it, Ridley did. You can't just go from "hurr the creator decides" to "hurr the holder decides"

>Aliens Colonial Marines is not canon because it is not possible. The LV-426 installation was vaporized. There's nothing left to go back to.
Fox made it canon, it's still there because it wasn't a nuke launched from space.

The ONLY possible way to explain away the Space Jockey is that it is a third sentient race that the engineers admired and or worshipped which led them to mimic their aesthetic and technology.

It was a nuclear explosion the size of Nebraska (could have been an exaggeration) except for the fact that they felt the shockwave from fucking low orbit.

That explosion was ridiculously huge. HIGH YIELD nuke levels of huge. That reactor was fusion, not fission. And it was designed to alter a planet. That installation is fucking dust.

>You can't just go from "hurr the creator decides" to "hurr the holder decides"

Yes you can and that is how just about every major property in history works.

Ridley doesn't know what day of the week it is. He's genuinely senile.

You see the the reality of how this works is this..so pay fucking attention:

Once a work of art is created it exists APART from its creator for all time. The creator may be the closest thing there is to God in his work but he is not. Because there are rules. UNLESS the universe he creates has no rules like the South Park or Simpsons or some shit.

Also the one that makes the rules is whoever owns the work. So if the creator sold it away that's tough shit for him. Anything he makes from that point on is fan fiction unless the owner says otherwise.

An owner creator does not have unlimited power to say what IS canon but they do have unlimited power to say what is not. If an owner/creator says that something that is contradictory is canon, it is not. It's just bullshit until someone figures it out.

Or how about this: maybe Space Jockeys are genetically engineered pilots specifically tailored for "long-haul" flights. It left eons ago to seed planets across the galaxy, shit hit the fan, and it eventually crashed, dead pilot and all.

If Xenomorphs can evolve once, they can evolve again. That would even make them a point of curiosity for Engineers, because it would seem to point to them being some sort of bizarre end-goal of evolutionary processes. That would have terrifying and dread/awe-inspiring implications for a race of genetic tinkers. It could conceivably even become something of a religion.

Ultra-hack

Unoe. Ridley Scott could've just tied Prometheus directly to Alien by having the big white guy taking off and just ending it there, skipping all the genocidal robot-man stuff.

>we could have had cool elephant faced monstrosities
>instead we get albino humans made out of bubbles

Seriously, how on earth could anyone have made this decision? I could have dismissed the entirety of Prometheus and Covenants flaws had they just made the Engineer race cool looking. It's such an obvious, logical design choice too... go with a unique, exotic alien design to match the xenomorph.. it makes me physically ill just thinking about how such great potential for a memorable (although needless) reveal was completely destroyed by a senile old man with Alzheimer's trying to resurrect his career.

...

Will we ever find out who the space jockey is?

Let's be honest. You would complain about any scenario of discovering "who","how" and "why" which takes away "mystery".

People who get so worked up over entertainment make me fucking sick

So David is basically analogous with Millennial culture, got it.

I'm fine with AvP being canon. There were 3 predators there to deal with the Xeno's. AvP 2 should never have existed.

>Winona Saggy Ride Her

Delete this!

Ridley having anything to do creatively with the first Alien movie except the cinematography is a meme that needs to die for good.

After the shitfests that were covenant and prometheus it's more clear than ever that it was O'Bannon's and Giger's vision that made Alien come to life.

>Xenomorph murals are depicted in the Engineer ship, indicating they have existed for quite some time
It's not a xenomorph, it's a deacon.
>Space Jockey/Engineer is depicted as having a chestburster wound, and the corpse is fossilized - indicating that it's potentially hundreds or thousands of years old
The harsh atmosphere of LV-426 made it look like that, probably crashed a day before the Nostromo crew arrived.

And Ripley was made of midichlorians.

>muh expanded universe

If millennials had their way, they'd start rebranding gays as "The LGBTQ Expanded Universe." Everything's an "Expanded Universe" these days.

>"muh mom and dad are part of the Parental Expanded Universe"

Jesus fucking Christ SHUT THE FUCK UP, SHUT UP YOU'RE ALL SO FUCKING RETARDED SHUT THE FUCK UP

Meh. Not keeping my hopes up. At worst it will be Scott retconning it to an Engineer.

Not enough Geiger love in these threads. Alien would not exist without him.