Here's the scenario:
>1980s Antarctic Research Base
>Both the T-1000 and The Thing have successfully infiltrated
>The Thing's only goal is to escape to civilization
>The T-1000 is ordered to terminate every living thing at the research base, in any order. It cannot let the Thing escape.
>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation or suspects someone the same way a human would.
Who would win?
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T-1000
T-1000 because he can't be assimilated. Ultimately, since he cannot be destroyed by the Thing, he will invariably win.
Kurt Russel
you're thread makes no sense. what difference would it make if the T-1000 knows whether a person is infected or not. his orders are to kill every living thing on the base, infected or not.
Only problem is, the T-1000's main method of attack is stabbing, and that's pretty useless against The Thing.
Hmm. You've created quite the conundrum here, OP.
its not retarded, it knows how to use weapons
T-1000 just burns everything and the Thing is easily destroyed as it's just a virus.
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How is this even a debate?
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>Only problem is, the T-1000's main method of attack is stabbing
If a T-800 can built a time machine out of garbage I think the T-1000 could handle rubbing two sticks together to get a fire going.
delet pls
what if they start imitating each other, and then we don't know who is who?
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What a retarded thread.
Childs was infected, if you think this video isn't a well-structured and argumented essay, you have no business going into any intellectual debate, much less film analysis.
This, OP is a retarded
Nice try
T-1000. How is this even a question?
>it's a swaglord forgets to win thread
Hahah L0l
This.
OP, you are a special kind of stupid.
I'd watch this movie or animation, someone spend a few millions on it pls
>you're thread
You're missing the point. T-1000 would be at a distinct disadvantage if he started killing everyone right off the bat, since the Thing would have the easiest time assimilating them during the chaos. Remember, the T-1000 and the Thing aren't stupid.
I'm not saying the T-1000 wouldn't kill everyone, but he wouldn't just rush in without at first analyzing all the methods the Thing could escape.
The thing cannot harm the T-1000.
The Thing assimilates people, some at least, and then everybody is killed buy the T-1000.
Add more variables and restraint, or shut the fuck up.
Swaglord BTFO!
There are already a lot of variables and restraints, you're just not thinking.
The T-1000 cannot last long outside, otherwise it will freeze and break into pieces. The Thing CAN last long outside, and since its goal is to escape all it has to do is walk outside far enough. Assuming the T-1000 knows this, how does it prevent the Thing from doing so?
Both the Thing and T-1000 have an inherent weakness to fire, and the T-1000 only has the weapons it can make (blades, useless against the Thing) or weapons it takes from humans (some minor guns and flamethrowers).
How exactly do you propose the T-1000 defeats the Thing? You sound like you don't have much imagination.
Is Kurt Russel on the base?
If The Thing just wants to escape it can probably make it into the water, it didn't seem to mind cold all that much.
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This is going to be over very quickly unless the creature survives long to learn the t1000's weaknesses and has enough biomass to use that knowledge.
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For the sake of the argument, let's say it's the same base. Kurt Russel probably tied with the Thing, so the T-1000 would probably be able to kill all of the humans.
T-1000 would slaughter everyone and every thing (pun intended) in a matter of minutes
what a dumb question
No doubt the T-1000 would be able to kill the humans off easily, but the most effective way to defeat the Thing would be to try and blend in. Otherwise the Thing would realize there is a Terminator robot and just put all its effort into escape, instead of assimilation.
they would be fighting forever, since t-1000 probably cannot be infected by the thing and the thing cant be taken over.
The creature has no place to escape to and the t1000's entire existence is based around hunting down post apocalyptic survivors who can not only provide for their needs while being actively hunted but even destroy a giant ever improving robot army.
>The Thing CAN last long outside
No it cant you retard. The thing was frozen in ice. T-1000 wins with no questions asked.
The only thing that could stop a T-1000 is thousand degree temperatures.
The creature was attempting to build a spacecraft in secret, plus it can always radio for help (if the radio is not already destroyed). The humans also destroyed all of the vehicles and slaughtered the dogs in the film, would they be able to do so in this scenario?
They make a point in the original film that the Thing WANTS the base to freeze over so it can hibernate. It will hide itself in the ice once again to be discovered, and thus escape.
The T-1000 was stopped in its tracks by liquid nitrogen, where it burst into harmless pieces. Once it was warmed up, however, it was able to reform.
The whole point of this exercise is that the T-1000 is almost a machine-version of The Thing, and we should determine which would defeat the other.
Blend in with what? The T-1000's orders are to kill EVERY LIVING THING. Once it realized there was something weird going on (like a head running away on spider legs) it would burn the place to the ground. Moderate amounts of heat won't hurt a T-1000 and it would turn the place into a kiln.
Let's say the T-1000 does just that, but how does it prevent a little spider-head from walking out into the cold and freezing itself? Remember, the T-1000 is liquid metal. It wouldn't last long without a heat source.
If the Thing's goal is to hide in the snow, it's going to accomplish that. It cannot fight the T-1000 effectively.
As for whether -60 temperatures are enough to make a T-1000 seize up, we just don't know. Liquid nitrogen did it but that's the only data point we had. And it bears mentioning that if the Thing thaws out, so will the T-1000 (if it freezes).
>The creature was attempting to build a spacecraft in secret, plus it can always radio for help (if the radio is not already destroyed). The humans also destroyed all of the vehicles and slaughtered the dogs in the film, would they be able to do so in this scenario?
All the humans in the base are going to be dead in one or two minutes. The only vehicle that is going to buy the creature enough time is the helicopter and that won't get in the air fast enough even if it's fully fueled and prepped for take off.
Are you really comparing antarctic temperatures to liquid nitrogen?
t-1000 if they are isolated.
>how does it prevent a little spider-head from walking out into the cold and freezing itself?
It won't have to because little pieces of the thing are not intelligent and avoid pain.
I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing, it's only options are stabbing, and using the same flamethrowers the humans used which demonstrated limited effectiveness.
Furthermore I don't think terminating every living thing on the base would necessarily limit the ability of the Thing to gather biomass. There's no reason to assume it's victims have to be "alive" to be used (many of the individual cells of a body stay alive for a while after "death"), and we must also consider the fact that was able to grow to enormous size using only the biomass of 11 people and a few dogs. Clearly it's drawing mass from elsewhere, maybe eating the camp supplies.
If they're dead, it's easier to assume their biomass.
Liquid Nitrogen instantly froze T-1000, so he'd of course have "more time" in the cold.
It is less intelligent at the direct cellular level (blood test scene), but a dog-sized Thing was intelligent enough to run into the cold, remained disguised, and enter the human base in the first place.
>I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing
It's a highly advanced and intelligent machine that is created for the sole destruction of organic life.
>it's only options are stabbing
It's purpose is combat. There are literal libraries on its brain to know martial arts and use of weapons. Pretty sure its covered.
Tango and Cash is one of the most underrated action films.
I liked ur article in that paper
Have you met Jared Kushner?
>I still don't buy the idea that T-1000 can even harm the Thing
The T-1000 can cause massive trauma to the creature's tissues which will eventually result in death from metabolic stress.
>T1000 turns liquid
>covers the whole body of the thing
>suffocates or crushes it
>−128.6 that constantly fluctuates
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>-321 in seconds
>gosh I just don't know what the phrase "more time" means
And remember, it's never stated that the T-1000 can generate its own heat.
There is absolutely nothing the Thing can do to harm the T-1000, how is this even a fair fight.
>If they're dead, it's easier to assume their biomass.
That's only 120k worth of calories. In practice that 120k calories will amount to far less as the creature will have to spend it on assimilation, organization, and upkeep.
>a dog-sized Thing
True but a dog sized thing is only a few tens of pounds less than a full sized human and it takes time for the creature to organize it's prey.
>gosh I just don't know what the phrase "more time" means
Oh, I knew what you meant but you're still being a retard. The temperature isnt extreme enough to prevent it from functioning. The cold of the night is one thing but liquid nitrogen is something entirely else. Also, do people forget the T-1000 went from being -321 degrees to over 1500 in minutes? This would fuck anything up.
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These bees kill giant hornets by cooking them alive. The T-1000 can probably generate massive amounts of heat.
The T1000 not only would have a couple of flamethrowers, but also access to TNT and a lot of fuel, which he can use against the Thing in ways the humans couldn't.
Under the conditions described by the OP, the T1000 clearly wins.
>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation or suspects someone the same way a human would.
Why is this even a factor, if the T-1000 wants to terminate everybody in the base?
Honestly, a more challenging scenario would if the T-1000 had orders to only kill the Thing but keep the humans alive.
Kurt Russell
>Because The Thing replicates cells perfectly, the T-1000 can only know someone is infected if he witnesses the assimilation
Why does this matter? He's going to kill everyone anyway, regardless of whether they're The Thing or not
nether it would be a stale mate /thread
>This would fuck anything up.
It did fuck it up, as evidenced by it melting all over the place. However, when the Thing was heated back up it was fully functional.
Then the Thing can similarly do that, to melt the T-1000.
That's a good point, we need a reason for both organisms to try and remain hidden. How about human casualties are not encouraged for the T-1000, and it must have at least one human survivor to succeed?
This, just go stabbity-stab on all the present until somebody Things-out, and then blow the shit out of the Thing with dynamite and gas. Pretty straightforward.
The temperature of Liquid Nitrogen and a steel furnace are far, far more extreme than that of artic winter or fuel fires, there is no comparision.
>However, when the Thing was heated back up it was fully functional.
The Thing wasn't frozen in seconds to less than -300 degrees with liquid nitrogen. This would kill many organics. Do you not understand what Liquid Nitrogen is or does?
>Then the Thing can similarly do that, to melt the T-1000.
>The Thing can melt metal at 1,500 degrees with body heat
Are you retarded?
>The T-1000 can cause massive trauma to the creature's tissues which will eventually result in death from metabolic stress.
That's certainly true, but assumes the Thing will keep putting it's hand into that buzzsaw, rather than splitting in two and leaving the T-1000 snapping at a decoy while the rest of it slithers off like one of those lizards that drop their tails when they get attacked.
>T-1000 snapping at a decoy while the rest of it slithers off like one of those lizards that drop their tails when they get attacked.
Pretty sure the T-1000 would figure out the intelligence of the Thing quickly. It figured out very fast the T-800 was toying with it. Same also goes for the less advanced T-800 going predicting where Connor was going.
The biggest problem OP would probably have is at some point the T-1000 would abandon its orders and go rogue.
The Thing can change and adapt itself at the cellular level, within seconds. It can grow body parts that are extremely cold or heat resistant, and at the very least be able to outrun the T-1000.
>it would be cold too FAST REEEEEE
Irrelevant, there isn't any liquid nitrogen on the base. The T-1000 was stopped in its tracks, literally, by instantaneous exposure to temperatures below -321 Fahrenheit. Antarctica at its coldest is about -140 F.
T-1000 wouldn't have that much time outside, I'd wager he'd have at most an hour and that is being generous. If the Thing can keep away from his blades long enough, it's totally fine.
how would the T-1000 go rogue? We've never see any Terminator disobey orders, let alone this terminator.
Dude, you're being slightly retarded
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>Antarctica at its coldest is about -140 F.
T-1000 wouldn't have that much time outside, I'd wager he'd have at most an hour and that is being generous.
>this is the same as exposure to Liquid Nitrogen
Oh, so you ARE retarded.
>how would the T-1000 go rogue?
>The molecular brain grants the T-1000 advanced reasoning capabilities, emotions such as humor, and even self-awareness. As a result, a T-1000 can make its own decisions contrary to that of Skynet. In order to protect itself from its own creation, Skynet did not mass produce the T-1000. Later, Skynet discontinued T-1000 for this reason
Field units are not allowed to be set into read/write because Skynet is afraid of units questioning orders.
>It can grow body parts that are extremely cold or heat resistant
So, why didn't it just fuck off into the night? Why bother risking its life in the base, if it could just make itself cold-resistant, grow a pair of wings and fly elsewhere? And why didn't it create these fire resistant tissues whenever it fought the humans?
>Oh, so you ARE retarded.
>literally no argument to found whatsoever
>Field units are not allowed to be set into read/write because Skynet is afraid of units questioning orders.
So it's possible it would go rogue, but that explanation only exists to show why the T-1000 didn't show up in any of the other Terminator films. We're going to assume the T-1000 is committed in its goal since the T2 flim never had that information in it.
Who would win between The Blob and The Thing?
In the film, it is explained that The Thing wanted to construct its own escape craft using Blair's shack and supplies found on the base. It only decided to freeze itself when that plan was discovered and ruined by the surviving humans.
As for the cold-resistant tissue, it wouldn't make it immune, only resistant. And it could be that the heat-resistant tissue was still being formed, or the Thing preferred to develop weapons instead.
There's also the theory that each Thing appearance was orchestrated (with the exception of Palmer) in order to distract the humans from Blair's activities. It was only after they torched Palmer that MacReady investigated Blair to a useful degree.
It doesn't matter if the T-1000 figures out the Thing is smart. The Thing just has to split off enough of it to keep the T-1000 busy, maybe even lead it off on a wild goose-chase, while a part of the Thing continues working on it's spaceship , and/or another part runs off into the night to freeze itself in some ice crevasse ensuring it's long term survival.
While it's certainly true the Thing could never hope to destroy the T-1000 (barring it manifesting the undemonstrated ability to construct a ray gun or something in the same manner it built a spaceship,), it has the ability to be in multiple places at once, which puts the T-1000 at a distinct disadvantage
>Thing splits into five head crabs which scuttle off in opposite directions
>T-1000 can only chase one at a time and now must track down multiple shape shifting entities over hundreds of square miles in a blizzard and destroy them down to the cellular level before it's batteries run out.
I'm betting on a short term draw, and a long-term loss for the T-1000.
Going from -196 to over 1500 °C is not the same as going from -40 to 20.
How the fuck is the thing able to generate over 1500 °C? How is it not cooked alive by it's own heat?
The T-1000's temperature threshold is far greater than the thing's in both ways, retard
correct me if wrong i don't think the movies ever went into exactly WHAT it da blob was i know it melts flesh
>t1000's entire existence is based around hunting down post apocalyptic survivors
Wrong t-1000 was an advanced prototype and skynet's last creation as a desperate attempt to change the past before John Connor stormed it's headquters where the time machine was.
It boils down to which process is faster, the Thing's assimilation or the Blob's digestion.
That's another good matchup!
You're still stuck on the temperature change threshold, but not paying attention to the time threshold. There's a lot of cold landscape to run through, my point is that over time the T-1000 freezes and loses, whereas the Thing freezes and wins.
>So, why didn't it just fuck off into the night? Why bother risking its life in the base, if it could just make itself cold-resistant, grow a pair of wings and fly elsewhere?
Who says it didn't?
The T-1000 could probably kill just about everything while also containing them on the base. If it ever came down to combat between it and the T-1000, there's very little The Thing could do, given it's primary form of attack is assimilation, and the T-1000 can't be assimilated.
It's basically a giant, sentient stomach that absorbs and adds organic matter to it's mass. It's very similar to the Thing in that it can survive after being split apart, although it is weak to extreme cold.
if the blob is even cellular in nature like the thing we don't know if not blob wins and just melts the thing
Do you not understand how temperature and heat work you dumb fuck? It sdoewsn't matter how much time the T-1000 spends outside the base, he'll never go below -40 °C. That's over a 100 degrees warmer than liquid nitrogen. Now that I think of it, getting the thing out of the base works best for the T-1000 because then he can gather all thwe frozen creatures at his leisure and make a bonfire with them
If the terminator wanted to kill everyone in the base, he'd probably make a bomb or some shit.
Then he'd see a piece of burning Thing and tear it to shit.
Implying anything could win against Kurt Russell
I think the implication was that the Blob was some sort of single celled organism (they even say it was part of a germ warfare experinent) mutated by cosmic radiation while it was in that satellite. It's basically a giant amoeba that feeds by engulfing the prey and dissolving it with enzymes. That's also why it's so weak against low temps, because it's mostly water inside the cellular membranae.
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When they said nature is balance they weren't fucking around
this is the correct opinion
Chris Pratt beat him
>literally no argument to found whatsoever
>get explained what Liquid nitrogen is
>fail to comprehend this
>cannot tell the difference between environmental temperatures and chemical temperatures
Dude, you're retarded.
T1000fags get out, it's a super cold Arctic base and the T1000 is explicitly shown to be weak to super cold temperatures which slow his shapeshifting.
The Thing wins purely because of the environment. The humans would all band together to stop the T1000 not realizing it's not the only threat to the base, discover it's cold weakness, then get assimilated by the Thing when they have their guard down.
since when was t-1000 bees
leaving the T-1000 snapping at a decoy
I don't think anything bigger than a finger is going to crawl away from that mess. Even if the creature could split into two copies of usain bolt instantly he would be fucked.
>super cold temperatures
Good thing Antarctica doesn't get to super cold temperatures, user.
That's not what they said in the novelization.
>every comment he makes has the word retard like it's engrained in his head from previous childhood trauma
>cannot provide any proof that the T-1000 would operate in prime condition at -140, especially after it was demonstrated that roughly doubling that temperature would completely incapacitate him.
You're assuming that -321 is his threshold, but it's entirely possibly that his actual threshold is lower.
At least a person like you kept special needs teachers employed.