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Also, the autistic Brazilians over at /jp/'s DJThave the mods in their pockets, and any subject matter discussed that isn't to their liking gets promptly deleted. It's pretty frustrating to have a 2 hour conversation deleted on a whim, and your conversation simply stifled. I prefer having it here and being able to discuss whatever we like without fear of being arbitrarily accused of ''blogposting'' and having your shit deleted.
Also, if any Japanese language question contains but an inkling of real world application, they spaz out like the autists they are, call the guy a normie and send him over here for us to answer the question. They're absolutely useless as a resource over there and only hinder learning with their hostile behavior. Maybe DJT shouldn't be on /jp/, but I'm glad these assholes are contained.
Feel free to go ask your questions on Reddit
Yeah or just on this DJT which actually seeks to helps people. I don't know why people like you or the morons at /jp/'s DJT are so arrogant about your abilities, yet still hang out in a language learning thread while being unhelpful and condescending to anyone who asks a question. I know the questions on Reddit are horrible and we certainly don't want that here, but asking beginner questions and learning for something other that cartoon porn isn't a reason to freak out over fear that we'll become Reddit. Maybe you and /jp/ DJTers should go elsewhere, since you're not doing what the OP says this thread is for, which is a resource for language learners.
Holy shit, threads are dying within one hour without posts? That's tough to keep alive.
I'm looking at a list of counters, can anyone help me out on this one?
矢 - 1手(て)(矢二本で1手)、1条(じょう)、1本(ほん)
>矢二本で1手
Is this referring to shooting two arrows with a single move? Holding two arrows with one hand? I'm comfus.
This reminds me of a word I had to add from Chinese, which means "a mass/group": 一彪
>矢2筋を一組みとして数えるのに用いる。
dictionary.goo.ne.jp
>5 弓道で、内向(うちむき)の矢と外向(とむき)の矢との2本。矢の一対。一手矢。
dictionary.goo.ne.jp
I like how they're both butthurt that we are still on Sup Forums and that we "migrate to /jp/" whenever there is no Sup Forums thread.
Too bad I hate tsunderes.
I see! 卅玖.
youtu.be
違う、お前の父はワシだ
I still don't know if I find this to be badass or hilarious
The dialogues are fine, but the voices don't fit the characters at all.
Darth Vader doesn't even have a muffled voice.
I have helped plenty of people on the /jp/ threads, you just won't notice it since I don't have a flag stuck to my posts.
Having the atmosphere of people ridiculing you for simple questions is good for the thread to keep out questions that you can easily google. Sure It's not a friendly hugbox atmosphere but I think you forget that anyone helping anyone in the threads is doing it because they want to, it's not their job to help anyone
>since you're not doing what the OP says this thread is for
Considering from your first post you have seen what happens to off-topic conversations in the thread. While you may not agree that deleting the whole conversation is right, it does get rid of any future conversations starting from said off-topic posts keeping the thread on track
>The dialogues are fine,
just remembered something funny though
they are often live streaming stuff like star wars on fc2.com and there's this part where han solo calls jabba a "wonderful human being" and I don't remember the exacpt phrase but they translated human being with 人間 and the japanese in the chat got confused why he calls him a human
No one asked for a hugbox, /jp/ just makes a point to be obnoxious instead of ignoring posts. Which causes infighting all the time for no reason and makes it more a shitposting general than a Japanese learning one. I'd say 80% of the useful replies I get come from Sup Forums. Specially technical stuff.
Things here just get derailed when there are /jp/tards defending their cesspool, whereas /jp/'s janny's deletions are often on-topic material, but too ~TOXIC~ for the VN dicklicking brigade.
I agree fully with Finland. I am glad to help people when the questions aren't pants-on-head retarded.
RTK is not working for me.
What else can I try? Could I be doing something wrong? Going over RTK Anki decks, making my own stories when the supplied ones feel out of place.
It's just that they never quite stick, and reviewing over 125+ characters a day in a studious manner is quite literally impossible during this period in my life (been conscripted for 9 months, only a couple hours or so of spare time).
Wat do?
Less Anki, more reading
learn kanji in context
don't learn kanzi at all
But what kind of studying plan should I go about using? Grinding 125 per day just isn't going to happen. What's the alternative?
>I have helped plenty of people on the /jp/ threads
>Less Anki, more reading
refusing to address the actual problems people have and instead flippantly telling them to watch more anime or read more isn't helping anyone. it's a lazy, generic answer which is the equivalent of the tech forum 'update your drivers and do a fresh install of your operating system'. wasn't around about
>I don't know why people like you or the morons at /jp/'s DJT are so arrogant about your abilities, yet still hang out in a language learning thread while being unhelpful and condescending to anyone who asks a question.
If it resembles any form of studying, it's taboo.
His question is the type where the answer should be clear so I didn't bother going more in-depth
How about doing less per day then if you don't have the time for it
>RTK is not working for me.
then don't
>What else can I try?
Less Anki, more reading
I did the entire book of RTK 1. Biggest waste of time. I don't regret anything more than that when it comes to this language. Tens of hours flushed away.
learn japanese please
cease all japanese learning activities tout de suite
如果你不即刻去學㗎文,你的母親會在睡眠中死去
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reminder to take your lithium
Funny thing, I googled reddit djt and apparently reddit seems to be fond of /jp/ djt
in any case, time is better spent learning japanese than playing “muh secret club” This is why generals suck, they form into cliques of tripfags without the tripcodes
it's funny when i can recognize the anti-janny leaf
>don't know why people like you or the morons at /jp/'s DJT are so arrogant about your abilities, yet still hang out in a language learning thread while being unhelpful and condescending to anyone who asks a question.
Because most the time their questions can be prefaced with "I can't be bothered to read the DJT guide or Tae Kim but...".
So many people ask questions which they would know the answer to if they had even just read the "Now what do I do to actually learn Japanese?" bullet-point list in the guide.
>dogentricks
You poor souls have no idea.
good morning people
I never ran into any problem getting answers to my questions when using either board. I think some people here are 空気を読めない and cannot accept the fact they get handled appropriately.
how do you differentiate between things like すっきり そっくり すっかり? I did it by just clicking again and again in anki, but it took ages, maybe it's better to just leave things like this to be learned by context from reading?
Also what about がらがら and similar words with loads of different meanings?
あまり空き家についての情報じゃない
Correct? Incorrect?
What do you want to say? It's somewhat incoherent at this point.
>記憶
Scribe/Narrative Recollection, huh? That makes sense.
>暗記
Darkness? Wat? Someone clearly fucked this one up
記 (to record → to remember) + 憶 (to remember)
暗 (dark → in secret) + 記 (to record → to remember)
記憶 "Record the sounds into your heart and keep them there, so that you might never forget"
暗記 "Write it down, before the memory disappears into darkness"
I came up with an idea for learning beginners that as the first step you are to just try to write your speech in your own language but in katakana.
ハウ アバウト イット?
テリブル
フワット?イツ イス グド アイディーア
ワタシタチハ エイゴデハナス ヒツヨウハ ナイ。
What's the difference between
見たことのない飾りつけだ
and
見なかった飾りつけだ
>フワット
イエース バット ユー アー サポーズド トゥー プロナウンス ザット ワード アズ "ホワット".
イクデンケニテダテヂテゾアウェルケヌ
>見たことのない
never seen (it) before
>見なかった
didn't see (it)
This one sounds a little awkward in the sentence. It would be alright to say その飾りつけは見なかった!
Never seen before x didn't see.
アタシハ ニホンジンジャナイノデ
エイゴデ イイトオモウケド
First one means "A decoration I haven't seen yet"
whereas the second is meaning "A decoration I didn't see"
But if it was written "今まで見なかった飾りつけだ", it would sounds also like "A decoration I haven't seen yet" and I coudn't tell why.
>イクデンケニテダテヂテゾアウェルケヌ
Actually sounds like Korean.
オーケー オーライト
>あまり空き家についての情報じゃない
it sounds like "it is not the information for a vacant house that much"
>濡
>get wet, damp, make love
Thanks a lot.
But I still don't get how it's formed like that. Why is the の used like that?
Is 見ていなかった飾りつけだ a possible way to say it?
It’s a variaton of the ことがない grammar
>の
>Substitutes for "ga" in subordinate phrases.
I've actually been wondering the exact rules for this for a while.
>見たことのない飾りつけ
"見た" 連体形(attributive form?) of verb "見る"
"こと" noun, which mean "experiences" here
"の" case particle as nominative case marker (maybe)
”ない” adjective "not exist"
"飾りつけ" noun, "decoration"
>>見ていなかった飾りつけだ
sounds like
"It's a decoration which I was not seeing"
>kanjidic
No, Jisho
Thanks
>"見た" 連体形(attributive form?) of verb "見る"
Sorry
"見た" ="見" + "た"
"見" 連用形(conjunctive form?) of verb "見る"
"た" 連体形(maybe) of auxiliary verb "た" for past event
Jisho isn't actually a dictionary.
user...
死んではいけない
死んだほうがいい。
djtはも死んでる
t. reddit
why do you always bring up reddit
Today did a quater mark. Post them to build up motivation.
What's with 込む and why it is added with various verbs?
I don't know
I gues I’m O B S S E S S E D
Finished KKLC today
Are these?
込む こむ komu
・ The mechanism is complicated and complicated
・ Compound word( go inside | insert)
・ Keep a certain state as it is
・ Be completely in that state
・ Do thorough things
kotobank.jp
込む/混む/籠む コム
すごい!
How many hours spent?
Excellent album here, lads
Natives here, do you have any trouble reading Akutagawa? Do you have to use a dictionary?
this just gave me a vietnam flashback
pic related, one of the first books that I started learning with
>Wallpaper is 壁紙
Tickles me every time something like this happens.
Rikaichamp doesn't have anki integration? Is Yomichan any good then?
I'm having a real problem moving forward from kana. Did people really just start doing Anki Core2k after kana? I guess I just don't get how to proceed.
I guess you could try KKLC
It got mentioned pretty often lately and doesn't seem to have the critical flaws of RTK
There are an android app "Kanji Tree". It's basically a sabstitute for a pile of copybooks but it shows radicals and enforces correct stroke order. Write kanji you have problem with there for a week or write them on paper if you prefer.
So you want to ruin more languages than just English with your gook scribbles? I'm reporting you to the UN.
I always recommend people transcribe anime songs or some shit like that, they can easily find it floating around in romaji and it's easy to transcribe because you won't have to shoehorn phonetics in order to represent a completely unsupported language. Besides, it's not easy to self-assess if you don't have a frame of reference, with karaoke there is a correct answer.
I'm starting to think I might be a brainlet
4000k words in core, finishes grammar, still can't read anything that isn't "proper" Japanese. Give up now
*finished tae kim, I'm drunk
Here.
Why suspend 1%?
even with 10k you'll constantly look shit up
40,000,000 is a lot of words, how can you not read?
Don't be silly, he clearly meant 4,000,000.
Just keep mining!
Technically every sentence is just one big word. All he has to do is memorize every possible sentence that could ever be made in Japanese and he's set.
That's actually pretty much how the brain works isn't it?
wot
Hi /djt/
Did anyone try the Complete Guide to Japanese Kanji by Seely & Henshall?
I've gotten to 500 kanji using RTK but I saw that the book actually gives wrong information regarding radicals! So I thought maybe I should change learning material.
if it teaches kanji by frequency and their readings etc. it should be fine
what did he mean by this?