Is national socialism something worth pursuing at this point or is it a lost cause? asking as a white young adult...

is national socialism something worth pursuing at this point or is it a lost cause? asking as a white young adult. i don't consider myself a racist but i believe in being pride of your race/heritage.

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You are American. You want American nationalism? Marry a black woman, adopt a chinese baby, and buy a mexican dog.

That's your nation.

National Socialism is dead; It would be better if you developed on the ideas of NatSoc for a modern setting and your country. Following it like an unchanging cult will get you no where.

>suddenly in this arbitrary geographic location I can't have nationalism
piss off.

>National boundaries are arbitrary and meaningless
>I must build a nation of white people

I have always wondered something that I would appreciate your answering, for me: As a retarded person, are you smart enough to have the self-awareness necessary to know that you are a retarded person?

America wasn't founded as a chink or mexican nation

It is a nation of european whites

America was founded as a nation of equal people without creed or inherent distinction.

It took time. But it has been rolling steadily along the road that its founders laid out before it.

If you think national socialism is a good way to run a nation, if you agree with national socialist principles.
Then you are, to some degree, a national socialist.
And there is nothing wrong with that.

National socialism is alive and well. I have a folder titled "national socialism" with Aryan cutie picks on my PC.

>nat soc
>working
Economically speaking it is nonviable.
>b-but muh 0% unemployment
Yeah nothing like 0% when every job is a gov job and gov spending is through the roof.

Learn to spell and use correct grammar before you ask dumb questions.

This, anti natsocs are not welcome in our beautiful new order.

Not true, America was designed as a nation for whites, as whites are the only race that can sustain a true Republic. The Founders knew this well, hence the Immigration Act

Natsoc is state capitalist, not true socialist

National Socialism was uniquely a reaction to the post-WWI world. Its basis was that liberal democracy's were too corrupt and disjointed to wage full-out war against other nation states.

>Founded as a white nation
Factually incorrect. From the very start, black people had representation in the republic. Right from the beginning. Sure: not as much as white people. But it factually undeniable that, from the very first day that the USA was a nation, non-white people were explicitly represented within the United States of America.

Hitler used Keynsian money dump policies. This was no economic miracle. Anyone can run debt and buy shit and people will work for a short amount of time. Long term it's bound to fail.

NatSoc is dead. What the Jews really fear is non-Nazi white nationalism which is why the alt-right is now so infiltrated and shilled against.

>natsoc is dead
Kill yourself.

natsoc budget was balancing though

Black people were slaves and their were legal precedents to segregate the population.

>literally ban race mixing
>America was meant to be melting pot of the whole world guise!

Ask these guys
twitter.com/Conflicts/status/758558946873450496

Looking back to world war 2 and having aryan fantasies is ultimately retarded and a waste of time. Better to look forward and focus on free markets and liberties.

how about we just gas all the muslims

That congress was elected for the purpose of representing non-white people is explicitly in the constitution of the United States of America. Explicitly.

Yep: as slaves. But represented as part of the nation. The United States of America, from day one, has never, ever, been a white nation.

That's not my spin on it. That's a fact written into the document that defined what the USA is. It is undeniably the true, factual case that the USA has never, ever, been a white nation.

also, OC

Socialism sucks.

>Thomas Jefferson’s views were typical of his generation. Despite what he wrote in the Declaration, he did not think Blacks were equal to Whites, noting that “in general, their existence appears to participate more of sensation than reflection.”[4] He hoped slavery would be abolished some day, but “when freed, he [the Negro] is to be removed beyond the reach of mixture.”[5] Jefferson also expected whites eventually to displace all of the Indians of the New World. The United States, he wrote, was to be “the nest from which all America, North and South, is to be peopled,”[6] and the hemisphere was to be entirely European: “… nor can we contemplate with satisfaction either blot or mixture on that surface.”[7]

This was the common view among the Founders, and what they envisioned when they wrote the Constitution. Your views are revisionist and false. And this is from a really lefty website.

npiamerica.org/research/category/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race

Down with this. All the Jews I know in college are bro tier and really intelligent and hard workers. Muslims are the issue.

Hitler was just jealous of the Jews desu

Let's start with nationalism first, ok?

Baby steps

Nigger it wouldn't work. Hitler didn't know anything about economics and went full nigger tier with it. All he did was worsen the german economy by getting rid of people who their shit like Hjalmar Schacht
>From 1933 to 1939, the Nazi government always spent more than it earned so that by 1939, government debt stood at over 40 billion Resichsmarks.
historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/the-nazis-and-the-german-economy/

>It took time
As if it has worked and people in America are equal now. Doubtful that society can ever be ready for being "equal", it contradicts humans' nature.

*who knew

Where did I claim that the founders stated that blacks and white are equal? What I stated was that black people are represented in the United States of America, per the founding document of the United States of America.

It is fact. You are talking about something irrelevant to that fact.

From the very first day of the United State of America it was ILLEGAL for non-whites to immigrate here.

agreed

Not citizens, not taxed, not represented. Only residents

>Blacks, even if free, could not be citizens of the United States until ratification of the 14th Amendment in 1868. The question of their citizenship arose during the Missouri crisis of 1820 to 1821. The Missouri constitution barred the immigration of Blacks, and some northern critics said that to prevent Blacks who were citizens of other states from moving to Missouri deprived them of protection under the privileges and immunities clause of the Constitution. The author of that clause, Charles Pinckney of South Carolina, was still alive, and denied that he, or any other Framer, intended the clause to apply to Blacks: “I perfectly knew that there did not then exist such a thing in the Union as a black or colored citizen, nor could I then have conceived it possible such a thing could have ever existed in it.”[17]

People are not equal. But we do our best to treat them, under our laws, as if they were. That's the ideal of the USA. You're right: it's not perfect. It isn't accomplished, yet. It's a work in progress.

What's your point?

Also in the constitution of the United States of America is that the job of Congress is, specifically, to represent non-white people. You kids keep ignoring that fact, and think you can somehow distract from it by mentioning a buncha shit unrelated to it.

>The USA is explicitly non-white, from its inception
>B-b-but not everyone was equal!
True. And explicitly not white.

>a compromise to make the large slave ridden areas more representation in government is the nations founding creed

It was a nation by whites. For whites. With a small sub-population of negro slaves. Your revisionism doesn't mean a damn.

>America was founded as a nation of equal people without creed or inherent distinction

>Where did I claim that the founders stated that blacks and white are equal?

It is the nation's founding law. The nation is founded to specifically include representation of non-white people.

That's not revisionism, kiddo. That's fact.

Clear as day and undeniable.

What? By that metric Africa isn't black, since a few whites live there. Just because blacks inhabited the US as property didn't mean it wasn't a white nation both in structure and intent, with no regard for the blacks as people. You're spewing liberal nonsense.

>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Source: America.

Yep: it didn't get everything right from the get-go. It did, from day one, include that non-white people are represented by the USA's government.

Give me the part of the Constitution penned by Jefferson that explicitly says non-whites are equal to whites

Non-whites weren't Men back then. When that passage was written the drafters thought of fellow whites.

Wrong. The metric is that the USA's constitution SPECIFICALLY, EXPLICITLY, states, without a shadow-of-a-doubt, that the USA represents black people who live there.

That is undeniable fact. The USA, from day one, was not a nation of only white people.

Read.

Who is talking about equal?

Because it's not me. I'm talking about explicit representation. Doesn't have to be equal. It is in there that the USA is not a white-only nation, because it explicitly represents black people living in it.

I can't figure out whether you guys are simply too stupid to possess reading comprehension, or if this is your attempt at self-delusion.

Black people were not considered actual "men". Just because you want to apply your post-modern bullshit to everything doesn't mean it's actually true. It was founded by whites. For whites.

Black people are represented by the government of the USA per the document that established the government of the USA.

That is fact. It was never a white nation.

You cannot spin that explicit fact. You can keep denying it, but you will always be 100%, factually incorrect.

>post-modern

The Constitution only represents and protects citizens of the United States. That means not blacks, who were not citizens until 1868. Are you trolling?

>our small population of slaves concentrated in mostly one area is what represents the American nation

I'm also not really a human. Just a fingernail.

Socialism is fucked, only the nationalist part is okay.
Nazi is a meme ideology and completely separate from white supremacy

>ideas of race not existing isn't post-modern

>Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Oh look: non-white people are explicitly represented by the constitution of the United States of America.

I am right. You are wrong. Explicitly represented. Undeniably, factually true that non-white people are represented within the USA from day 1 of the USA's government existing.

>i believe in being pride of your race/heritage
This is healthy.
Being a nazi is not.
Nazis are dindus. They dindu nuffin and someone sto dey moneys. Is that who you want to identify with?
Nazis are democrats. Socialists. Do you believe in handouts?
Pic related is your opposite physically. If his skin color is what matters, you're lost.

National socialism is a meme.
Its just a welfare state minus the open borders.
If the UK starts to filter its intake of asians it would basically be national socialism.

Basically you have no idea what natsoc is and you just have this mental image of glorious utopia that associate with it.

One race one people one leader.
If you oppose this feel free to do so, let those who believe in National Socialism be free.

Those are representatives apportioned to the states based on a number of negroes only added so Southern states could fudge their own amount of federal representatives. They were not themselves represented in either state or federal government, being noncitizens. That's the reality of the situation. No representation, just as the Founding Fathers wanted it, and as it should be. Should've gone with Hamilton's plan.

K. Now give me the biological, scientific definition of what determines a person's race.

>You wish to have a world socialist republic?
>feel free to do so
>you wish to have a 100% racially pure state?
>you must be oppressed
This is why we fight.

European for Europeans.

National socialism was never good. Just face the fact that any kind of socialism will sooner or later go to shit under its own unsupported weight. The national aspect is nice but it's not nice enough to compensate for the damage being done by socialism. Just keep in mind that there also existed national communism in the past and that didn't work out well, either.

Skull shape and skin color are pretty determining factors. Average IQ too, when looking at population as a whole.

We will never relent, we will never falter, we will never capitulate.

We will obtain our racial freedom.

Thats just regular nationalism, it has nothing to do with national socialism.
As I said, you simply don't know what it means, what it implies, nor why it failed and isn't used anymore.

Since neither of us are constitutional lawyers, I honestly don't give a fuck how you interpret it.

The fact is that, plain and simple: the USA represents non-white people, explicitly, per the constitution of the United States of America.

Your "but this is why" is irrelevant. Non-whites are represented by the USA, per the constitution.

And that is fact.

But they're not. Noncitizens are not represented by the Constitution. Hence why the Constitution doesn't cover foreigners.

As long as you don't go nigger on me I could care less what some statistfags do

We will never change our minds, we will never accept bribery, we will not be misdirected, we shall obtain racial purity.

1. There are more factors to IQ than just genetics.
2. When looking at the genetic factors, we talk about genetic groups, not races. The "black race" has multiple defined genetic groups.

I won't even address skull shape or skill color, since those are wildly inaccurate ways of guessing at a person's genetic makeup, and you can have 50 people with the same skin color from a dozen or more genetic groups.
Basically you are peddling 19th century abandoned pseudo science here.

My personal ideal is a fascist republic, as strange as that may seem. Perhaps a bit idealist, but still

Awaken racial comrade!
Recognize your racial imperative!
Secure what you are for the future and posterity!
Deny the lies of the seducer!
Support the National Socialist revolution!

Ok, so how many unbroken generations of descent do you need to make you "European?" What are the borders of Europe? How do we define them? What about people who can't provide evidence of the sufficient number of generations? And what's the cut-off for how many generations back your relatives must have moved there? Because every living human being has relatives who immigrated out of Africa.

Okie doke: now provide the scientific evidence that defines races based on those things. And are you suggesting that people with low IQs are not biologically the same race as people with higher IQs?

Because you know you're retarded, right?

No foreign ancestry for 500 years is sufficient to be of the race.

>burgers figuring out what national socialism

No you won't.
That would mean leaving the house.

Anschlauss it

isn't that just libertarianism

We shall free our people and secure their existence at all costs.

>meanwhile, in the communist circle-jerk...

What is foreign?
There are at least 3 genetic clusters "native" to Europe since recorded history.

>Noncitizens are not represented by the Constitution.
Before the Obama appointees, you are correct.
Now you are not. They explicitly said so.
Check it.

>national socialism

Nazis killed 1/10th of all Russians born in 20th century.

What is a Chair?

>we shall demand cupcakes
>we shall demand moar xbox, mom!1!

To deny National Socialism is masochism of the highest degree.

no, national SOCIALISM is a lost cause and will never be the framework for white nationalists to work with.

Not an argument
>off by one

ITT: dumbass burgers who have no clue what national socialism is.
>Implying the most important part is race
>Implying it isn't a philosphy
this threads needs to be gassed

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
Trust a nazi to look to the latest in 19th century medicine.

So biological race is demonstrated by documents proving ancestry?

So, just to be clear: If your parents moved to Morocco, and had a kid there, that child would be of a different, biological race than you?

Because you understand that what you are saying is wrong and stupid, right?

NatSoc will never die, no matter how many shills claim it to be dead (and boy are there a lot since Sup Forums harbour)

It must kill you to know a black guy is so much smarter than you.
It COULD kill you. You could try, anyway. You're not a quitter, are you? Huh? Chicken?

Well, different races in America have an average IQ, for blacks it's about 85, Hispanics 90, and so forth. And IQ has been found to be largely genetic, further corroborating these findings. There also remains the fact that per capita blacks commit crime at a much higher rate than any race. For that alone I think it would make sense to support the establishment of an African nation for the blacks (like Liberia but with actual support). I know you lefties wouldn't like that since you wouldn't be able to virtue signal anymore.

It's common sense, if they were no significant movements there should be no doubts he is of the blood, with studying his racial characteristics.

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Ignore the dumbasses. Race is just as much about being constructed through eugenics n shit as being preserved. proper natsoc works towards the betterment of the race, not arbitrary lines in the sand saying who's white. slavs are more asian than euros, yet they're still "white." Anyways, this thread is a shithole, don't take anyone seriously including me