A 10000 foot high wall won't work

Mexicans will still get through if you build a massive wall.

Lately they've been going from Mexico to Cuba, then from Cuba to Florida.

Not only that but the cartels are masters at building tunnel systems.

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Implying anyone with a brain actually thought the wall was going to work

do you think trump is just going to leave the gulf unprotected? lol

I know, they're so sophisticated too. They've even been making semi-submersible submarines to move tonnes of cocaine.

Nobody is saying that the wall will stop 100% of illegal border crossing you stupid fucking leaf, if you can free up some resources for protecting the borders and all who cross it you can use those resources on preventing the boat invaders.

we will build a kaiju wall.

Do you think it's feasible for there to be officers patrolling the entire southern border of the USA? That's including the borders on the gulf.

Thousands of miles long, so how many people would you need patrolling it, hundreds of thousands?

>master tunnel builders
A FUCKING LEAF

It's meant to keep out the low-hanging-fruit.
It's also presumably not just a wall, but also increased patrols at sea and elsewhere.

It will make it much harder for the dirty little beaner rats than just walking across the unprotected border.

There are plenty of people looking for work man, I'd do it in a heartbeat if I lived in the south. And it's not like they won't have a camera system in place

Trump already said he's tripling the number of border agents. Also as pointed out there will be more resources available once the wall is built

Looks pretty fucking impressive, reinforced with cinderblocks and rebar.

literally would give jobs to a shit ton of unemployed americans t b h and mexicans on the other side, but having it patrolled at all hours isn't even a must. this the current year. automation is a thing now, we have drones

You're right we should have a red carpet at designated border locations with roses and hugs at the end.

>implying they'll go through the golf
>implying they won't just jump over the wall
..or do you think he's going to build a wall similar to the one in monsters (pic related)

Boats, and the tunnel investment would take so long that the outflow of drugs from a certain point as it would be opened would be easy to catch.

> fuck it didn't stop 100% of them
> better remove it

>Not only that but the cartels are masters at building tunnel systems.
So with no one getting over the wall, affects can focus more on the tunnels.

Its not about stopping everything with just the wall.

Its about making it more difficult so they are forced to use riskier means.

>what is a coastguard?

>Never post in a leaf thread

So explain to me why not just use a combination of sensors on the ground and drones in the air ffs...u have a ton of them anyway lying around ...they don't have to be last gen anyway you must have some simply lying around cause they're not combat worthy anymore

How hard is it for a Mexican to get a tourist visa? It's pretty fucking easy to do as a Lithuanian.

Were gonna build that wall and you're shitty arguments aren't gonna stop us.

Because drones and shit don't stop anything. We still need shittons of law enforcement.

With a wall we can just stop most attempts outright.

>Unemployed americans
In this market, if you are unemployed, its you're own fault. Plus you want the boarder filled with a bunch of currently unemployed losers? Yeah lets give them all guns, I'm sure there won't be any corruption or shake downs. Oh yeah and lets vastly increase the government while we are at it.

Basically what you are calling for is an armed thug squad like some 3rd world African shit-hole.

It's just as easy for them, they just don't have the money to apply or they're impatient.

Mines. Put mines

>Do you think it's feasible for there to be officers patrolling the entire southern border of the USA?
There'll be enough officers to never again let 11 fucking million illegals flood through. One or two will always find a way but if found he'll be deported immediately and not paraded around on the DNC

Actually they'll just go to Canada now that no visa is required and moved from the north to the US, the cold weather in Canada will make them go to the US.

> Mexicans
> sophisticated
> coming from a leaf

Wew

Sensors won't work near any populated area, they already use drones.

Trump's wall is a meme. He still doesn't address the real reason for illegals to come.. If you want to stop illegals, you fix the system that hires them and gives them incentive to stay.

why not just kill them? if they know they have a high chance of being shot, they will stay and take their chances with the cartels.

because trump supporters are fucking idiots who need a simple idea like a "big long wall" or their focus derails. not even joking, this is why.

this is the trump campaign in essence. simple ideas for simple minded people.

It's hard for me to comprehend why these savages disrespect themselves and everybody else by crossing the border illegaly. Surely moving to a different country is one of the main points in one's life, so is it really that hard to sell your car, or even take out a fucking loan so you can fly in via airplane?

tunnels take a long time to build
technology to discover them is getting better every year
you are literally siding with the cartels if you want us to get rid of the wall
you would rather have narco overlords beheading you and your family than a guy with a toupe making a wall

>1/4 of the illegals gone
>that's ~21 billion a year saved FOR 25% OF ALL ILLEGALS
>ones that have been here for a while might be allowed to become citizens, paying taxes and contributing substantially more
>we already have coast/national guardsmen
>we already have an established border patrol organization
>plus another 21 billion A YEAR after building (at most) a 20 billion dollar wall (assuming Trump can't get mexico to pay
>implying the wall won't go into the ground at all

But no one has actually tried stopping them before.

Yeah they are, they tunneled nearly a mile to an exact spot in a maximum security prison to get El Chapo out.

>Why not just kill people

Are you kidding?

>Do you think it's feasible for there to be officers patrolling the entire southern border of the USA?
Yes? It's their fucking job? Sounds like new jobs for Americans to me.

It makes it more costly atleast. Walls historically work for daytime raids but not against armies (or well planned opponents).

we'll just nuke the beaners if they protest.

1. It's a LOT more expensive to smuggle a human by illegally shipping him to Cuba and then to the US, than just strolling or driving across the desert.

2. This cost gets multiplied if effective measures to deport illegals caught in the US are enforced.

3. As for tunnels, there are very effective measures developed by my state to combat this. They have been deployed only this year, but so far led to the collapse of about a dozen tunnels.

>one post by this leaf

we voted for fucking weedman and you have the gal to bash Trump for his simple minded ideas

I don't think we need a wall. I think the majority of immigrants just come here to work. I think immigrants help the economy.

best ally

Implying your propaganda is grounded in anything but lies.

a wall will still reduce immigration by quite a bit.

You guys ever seen those anthill casting videos where they pour molten material in the anthill?

Yea? they're foreign invaders. it's the equivalent to killing someone invading your house.

I'd rather have my tax dollars spent on the wall than have them spent coddling criminals and encouraging them to vote democrat in overwhelming numbers.

Well in that case we better just tear down the current wall of fences and let people pass freely! Why bother with border control when people are just gonna break the law anyways! While we're at it, let's remove all gun control laws since criminals are just going to buy them illegally anyways!!!!

>Liberals
>Being a leaf

he has a point ... you don't know if its an illegal immigrant trying to cross the border or a legitimate attempt at the mexican army trying to invade the united states...i mean ...how can you if he doesn't go through the border check?

>2000 mile wall deep enough to defeat tunneling costing only 20 billion dollars with government contractors

Shit nigger, you can't even get a railroad built between SF and LA for less than $67 Billion.

It's not a question of IF they can get through a wall, its a matter of making it very difficult and costly, and time consuming, to do so. The Wall is just a force multiplier, you don't need as much Border Control if you have a giant wall with motion sensors and radar.

Also tunnels aren't a problem, the foundation will be deep in the ground, and tunneling under it is impossible, the tunnel would collapse if you had to go that deep. I assume GPR will be in use also. No one is saying the wall by itself will prevent 100% of illegal border crossings, it just mitigates them greatly so the Border Patrol can focus on the people who are REALLY motivated to get across, like Cartels.

greatest ally bringing the facts

>Mexico's most impressive structures are drug tunnels
LMAO

Id rather just build a wall and not have millions of filthy beaner corpses stinking up our border.

Nigga, even if it cost triple that and we only got rid of 10% of illegals and legalized a select few, we'd repay that debt in 8 years and start making money after that.

>you don't know if its an illegal immigrant trying to cross the border or a legitimate attempt at the mexican army trying to invade the united states
It's pretty much the same thing. Mexico is basically using Hijra, conquest through immigration. Look at how much corrupt influence the Cartels/Mexican govt has over the Southwestern United States, for example. LA RAZA LAWYERS ASSOCIATION
HOW IS THIS A THING???

Inexpensive wall ditch with a 1to1 hight to aproach ratio and a 1to4 hight to slant ratio

The parts next to rivers will be less expensive

t. Eastern european civil enginer

>I think immigrants help the economy.
Are you fucking retarded?
They come to your country, take jobs from blacks and send money to Mexico instead of paying taxes to the US.

How is hungry and macedonians shittg wire fence stopping all the muslim migrants? It just works.

That works for Cocaine because of the value per kg smuggled is immense.
Similar measures to smuggle humans would cost tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars per person, with a high death rate for those attempting.

You don't need hundreds of thousands.

Length of barrier between Israel and Egypt 143 miles.
Total length of guarded border walls/fences between Israel and Gaza, Egypt, Syria, WB and Lebanon 481 miles.

We manage to secure these borders well enough against state actors and refugees both. With a fraction of the personal you've listed.
I am sure that the US, with 40 times our population can secure a land border 4 times as long.

>we have to let them in!

Pic related, they all fucking vote socialist

this is why they hate trump, he's going to stop this population displacement

>Pay only sales taxes
>They can still apply for government aid

THE DNC HAD A FUCKING ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SPEAK AT THEIR CONVENTION. IS THIS BIZARRO WORLD? ARE YOU PEOPLE REAL? HOLY FUCKING SHIT I NEED TO LEAVE THIS SHITHOLE COUNTRY IF RETARDS LIKE YOU ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING. JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP SENPAI.

>moped on rails to move dirt out of the tunnel

Fuck that's so kawaii

>Trump build wall, threatens for mexico to pay for it
>Mexico says "fuck you" and nationalizes all American factories in Mexico
>American factories move to China even more than now
>Chinks smile even more

Nice plan. We spend billions on a wall and make our economy worse.

>Lately they've been going from Mexico to Cuba, then from Cuba to Florida.

Just like that but exactly the opposite. Try reading the news faggot.

Do you think one person can only cover like 20 feet of wall or something you leaf?

It's easy to dig tunnels when no one is actively trying to stop you. The Cartels have ARMED GUARD POSTS 100 miles into Arizona, on US soil, no one is stopping them because Obama's DoJ has sued anyone who tried. If our Border Patrol was actually able to you know, patrol, they could find and destroy these tunnels before they're even finished.

More of these tunnels collapse from shoddy building than are destroyed by border patrol.

You sit on here every single day and post anti-Trump shit. Don't you have anything better to do?

Syrian refugees are not organized and have not been trafficking drugs/people since the 70s, nor do they have 1/1000 the resources that the cartel has

but whatever, right? potayto patahto

>Nationalize the companies in Mexico
>There is now a 35% tariff on goods from foreign countries
>Corporate tax rate is now 15% in the US
Nah, they'll move to the US. That's the whole point of carrot AND stick, instead of just carrot in the form of low interest loans which they take and then leave the country anyways.

ISIS however, is organized. And they have funding and organization on par with the Cartels.

so they're going from Florida to Cuba, from Cuba to Mexico?

If they take jobs from anybody it is because they are better workers

but at least they won't be able to get people in enmase, tunnels work but they do get discovered and destroyed, costs of rebuilding and man power needed makes it inefficient, if a mythical wall apears which i believe it will mexico druglords are fucked, and ICE is finnaly able to do their jobs, i see many problems getting solved by this one wall which is gonna get paid for by mexico

Factually speaking a wall has been proven to be effective and cheap compared to other methods.

You can't drive a truck across a wall.
You can't just mob rush across a wall
The wall itself works as a tool of psychological weapon, as a bright sign of "you are not welcome".

>Trump's wall is a meme. He still doesn't address the real reason for illegals to come.

He does, the media just ignores his comprehensive plan to deal with illgal immigration in order to push the "Trump has no policies meme".

>2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

>Triple the number of ICE officers
>Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

(Note: ICE is not border guards, but the arm responsible for enforcing the laws that prohibit illegals from working etc.)

>Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

>Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

>Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa.

>End birthright citizenship.

etc.
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maybe Trump can put sharks with frickin laser beams attached to their heads in the Gulf

They find new tunnels in San Diego all the time, there is a wall there, and not only the boarder patrol but also regular police, yet they still build tunnels.

The East Germans had a vast intelligence network, mines, machine gun towers etc, but yet STILL people were able to escape an tunnel under the wall. And that was without billions of dollars in drug / human trafficking money to aid the tunnelers.

We will build a wall in Florida, around the entire, state, so nobody can get in or out.

>If they take jobs from anybody it is because they are better workers
No motherfucker. They take jobs because they are willing to work for less money. They are killing your wages and take away any negotiation power from US citizens willing to work.

>Drop the corporate tax rate
Awesome let fuck the middle class even more to pay for trumps wall.

we can easily detect and defeat tunnels. Also we need to legalize most drugs and that will instantly fix 90% of the problems. Build the wall is still necessary and appropriate. What about a deep moat from Gulf of Mexico to Pacific. Build it in a month with small nukes. Wait until air masses are blowing southward. Charge Mexico for the nukes. win win.

>And that was without billions of dollars in drug / human trafficking money to aid the tunnelers
You don't need to pay people to make them risk their lives trying to escape communism. Fucking Bernie supporters.

>They take jobs because they are willing to work for less money
So what, they get paid wait the job is worth, are you some kind of commie faggot that thinks you own a job?

Drones and cameras m8, one guy can monitor hundreds of miles.

Beduin smugglers from Sinai to Israel are organized though and have been smuggling drugs and women to Israel since the 60's.

A wall + additional measures have helped drop their ability to smuggle Africans to virtually zero, and drugs to a few % of what it used to be.
It's now completely unprofitable to smuggle marijuana from Sinai to Israel due to the high catch rate and the chance of getting shot by border police, for example.

Table:
Year on the right
number of Africans that made it though on the left.

Hell, we need to build that wall to prevent land loss to "natural climate change" anyway.

How is a factory that is outside the US going to be worse if it's in China? Does it really matter where it is, only that it is not here?

The immense cost of creating such tunnels for the purpose of drug smuggling would make it completely unviable for allowing people to traverse as undocumented migrants. These tunnels are multi-million dollar investments for cartels that become more and more likely to be discovered the more people traverse them. Also, idiot leaf.

>10000 foot wall

Great, Now realize that the border is fucking tiny compared to the US-Mexico boarder.

We should just offer Statehood to Mexico and enforce US law in the entire place. Clean that place up. Build the wall that Mexico wants to build and annex Canada. Then we would be the most powerful nation on earth Sign the Russia peace Treaty and crush those fucking Sand nigger once and for all.

Listen homosexual. We have the same problem in here with Ukrainians. Not paying taxes means that they are effectively stealing money from us. They are taking away jobs from Poles and send it back to Ukraine. Immigration from shit countries is cancer and should be stopped.
I can accept Ukrainian women working here legally and then getting back to Ukraine. That's it. No moving to Poland for the rest of their lives.