Stan Lee approves Hydra Cap

Stan Lee approves Hydra Cap
>“It’s a hell of a clever idea; I don’t know that I would ever have thought of it for him to be a double agent, but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it; it’s a good idea. I think it’s crazy, but it’s a good idea.”

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That looks like a Stan Lee cosplayer, or a very intensive photoshop.

Intense? I'd be surprised if there was an unchanged pixel in that entire pic.

He's looking fresh after the string of deaths this year have empowered him; you can see Darwyn Cooke's soul screaming to escape if you look close into his eyes.

Why would he not? Bullshit last page shockers are what comics were made for. He knows it's not going to last more than a year.

>They'll probably do a movie on it.

This is actually an interesting point. The MCU characterizations of the supes are all pretty good. But how would people (fans, casuals) react to huge changes in the movies? (ie, Bucky or Sam getting the mantle of Captain America, Thor being a woman, Cap becoming Hydra)

If he was still writing Captain America when Jack Kirby died, he probably would've done this and made it permanent.

evil lich magic aside

hes never been a very good writer himself so

They'd do their own mainstream version of the autistic REEEEEEEEEEEE.

Fortunately Natalie Portman will never be Thor.

The closest example we've gotten is the reveal that Bucky killed Tony's parents, and casuals seem to love that.

He's Jewish?

But can we expect Kat Dennings as Tithor?

This is basically how I feel about it. It's not a terrible idea, especially considering we don't know what Marvel will actually do with it but it is ballsy as fuck and could easily turn out terrible.

So? Being the person that created HYDRA, he's the first person that'll tell you that HYDRA aren't nazis.

He's a grown ass man who understands that it doesn't make Cap a Nazi and it's fucking fiction anyway.

And honestly I challenge you to find any big 2 writer who is saying this was a bad move. They all know how this works and want to protect the idea of shock reveals especially in a #1 issue. It's not a big deal.

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>it’s going to make you want to read the books, they’ll probably do a movie based on it, so I can’t fault it

Stan Lee has always been a businessman first, and from that perspective this is a great move.

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This is about patriotism tho?

>Stan Lee has always been a businessman first
This. He's great at marketing shit and being the face of the company. He's basically the Steve Jobs of Marvel, which I guess makes Kirby Woz.

He straight up says he's a nazi and he's wearing a gigantic fucking swastika on his chest.

>sole creator of Captain America and the entire Marvel universe approves
>SJWs still get mad

>approves
Everything for a nice check, user.

This never felt right. I feel like Joker would be the last person to judge anyone based on their beliefs, no matter how insane or 'evil' they are. The only thing he'd care about is if he could use them or how to dispose of them when they get in the way.

>Everything for a nice check
Welcome to comics, idiot!

He's not wrong.

Look how much interest it's sparked on twitter.

It's an Elseworlds, Jim.

It might have made more sense back in the day. Patriotism was way higher back then. You'd have to ask somebody who read it when it came out

>they’ll probably do a movie based on it
Captain Hydra: the Fake Avenger

Yeah The Joker was never super patriotic

Lol a few days ago someone posted caps of some twitter chick completely outraged at this decision, who said something to the extent of
>I can't wait to see what the lovely JEWISH Stan Lee has to say about this

Well, wish granted

>sole creator
I hate moviefags so much. Joe Simon and Jack Kirby created Captain America and his entire mythos. And other comic writers like Gruenwald had a bigger impact on the character than Lee ever had.

But no, "meme movie guy made the Marvel universe! XD"

He feeds on their souls, so they are part of him now.

That isn't going to get anyone to buy the books. At most they might read some reviews or pirate them.

Whoops, you lose.

>People won't read the books because they'll pirate them

This is true with every comic book. Now, lots of dumb people on twitter are talking about it, they're giving views and spamming their friends list with what's hot with Cap.

Idiot pawns doing Marvel's marketing for them. Expect this to turn into a full-blown arc because of how successful it's been.

This joke stopped being funny 3 years ago.

You left out "buy" which is what these companies care about the most you dumbass.

>Bucky or Sam getting the mantle of Captain America

Bucky would make sense and people would probably be open to that change. Sam though, I don't see it happening for awhile, if ever.

>Thor being a woman

That would lose all the women who go to the movies to see the Chris Hemsworth shirtless scenes and Loki crack-shipping moments.

>Cap becoming Hydra

Unless it's an alternate universe Cap attempting to fuck with the real Steve Rogers, I could see actual boycotts happening if they went this route. They'd also need to somehow patch up all the numerous plot holes it would open up in the MCU. It doesn't seem worth the effort to do this when people are already seeing the movies in the millions without needing cheap tricks to lure them in.

Comics pull this retarded shit because they need clickbait-tier "twists" to even remain relevant, because selling based on quality writing makes for less consistent profits than just making people angry enough to buy every issue just to see what stupid bullshit they pull next. At least a few dozen people I know who are just interested in the movies for the most part have said they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.

Hey, it's either this or "Batman, rape the Joker!" or JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. Sup Forums has shit memes. Pick your fucking poison.

So he just pretends to be a Nazi?

>Herp what is marketing guys? I am an idiot and don't understand that publicity = sales, herp derp I'm an idiot Sup Forums.

I can see that. I am sorry you were born retarded.

you left out "publicity", which is what these companies rely on to get new readers you moron.

Some of its members are Nazis, but Hydra as an organization does not champion National Socialism.

>Darcy as Thor
I'd prefer it if she wasn't worthy but her tits were,so we'd have a movie with her tits holding Mjolnir.

>At least a few dozen people I know who are just interested in the movies for the most part have said they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.
I really don't understand this mindset, especially for people who regularly buy comics at shops. When I was buying floppies all the time I'd often flip through stuff I didn't buy just to see what was up, but I didn't throw money at something because I was mad about it.

Maybe it's just because I read really fast.

Hydra predates the nazi party. They grew out of a cult that worships reptiles and the modern incarnation was only created after Strucker left the Nazi party

and what the fuck does he know about it?

>That isn't going to get anyone to buy the books.

Yes it will, go look at all the news outlets, the social media networks, even talk show hosts buzzing about it.

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Look at it, every tabloid to blog is talking about it. Marvel couldn't pay for marketing this good.

How many people were talking about comic book captain america before this?

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Oh look, lots of news about Civil War and nothing else. You can't even find a comic-book Cap story in there.

Genius move from Marvel.

What does the guy who writes for Marvel know about Marvel comics? The guy who wrote all the major storylines of the past ten years?

A lot more than you, I would hope.

I know you're mad about it, but come on.

They're the exact kind of people that Brevoort talks about when he justifies Marvel's clickbait advertising scheme. It's easy to decry him based on those statements until you actually run into people with the mentality that allows said schemes to work flawlessly.

The only downside is that it results in stories that will not be remembered decades from now, because it's selling based on outrage instead of quality writing. It's all just popcorn, terrible for you and devoured mindlessly while you're distracted by anger, but eventually it just gets stale and you move on to the next freshly-buttered bag of salted cardboard.

Of course, it's not a downside to Marvel so long as they're still making money.

Bingo
This guy gets it.

I hope eventually people catch on. Wouldn't you eventually just get a bad reputation with this if they keep it going for long? You already have MCU fans who think of the comics as trash beneath them and Marvel Studios is no longer under the control of the creative committee. Aren't the people on the Marvel Entertainment side kinda fucked?

Most of that doesn't matter for May's sales numbers. It might do ok in June but Civil War 2 #1 is going to kill everything based on variants alone.

That's why I stopped reading DC, because in the early days of the N52 they kept tweeting stuff like "ooh you guys are sure gonna be mad this week :^)" before killing off fan favorite characters, in particular I think it was Booster Gold. I decided then and there I wasn't buying their serials anymore.

And then I realized how much money I spent on comics and dropped all my titles. Now I just read on my tablet and buy tpbs that I like enough to grant an honored space on my cramped shelf.

>but it’s going to make you curious, it’s going to make you want to read the books
I mean this has always been the mentality of all kinds of comics.

It's so ridiculous that people who don't read comics actually take this one even remotely serious.

>Most of that doesn't matter for May's sales numbers.
For one, May is almost over. So it's a little too late for that.

It may not do anything for May's sales number, but what about June? July? August? This is a major storyline change that people are interested in.

Unless you want to argue that the big ol' nothing that Cap America comics were getting before was superior marketing.

>but Civil War 2 #1 is going to kill everything
You don't seem to understand, this is the stopgap measure to ensure that Civil War 2 doesn't kill its readership.

They're not getting new readers who buy their comics. That's been my point.

>I am an idiot and don't understand that publicity = sales
Then you're delusional since Marvel's sales haven't gotten any better no matter how many gimmicks they pull out of their ass.

It will settle in around 50k probably by issue 6 regardless of the press. Just how it goes.

>Then you're delusional since Marvel's sales haven't gotten any better no matter how many gimmicks they pull out of their ass.
>Source: The annals of my anus

Better just disband marvel comics now, then. Because literally nothing they could do, even a controversial storyline involving a highly public and highly publicized event, could get them sales anymore.

My sources include some guy on an anonymous imageboard that doesn't understand marketing.

>He's Jewish?

He's a Jew from when Antisemitism actually meant something and he's a writer.

He can tell the difference between a marketing ploy story and when someone's being an actual cunt

>They're not getting new readers who buy their comics.
The publicity disagrees.

I don't know what everyone's complaining about, I can nazi the problem with this at all

Hydra aren't Nazis, Carlos.

Man Carlos posting just isn't the gas it used to be

The Joker did it because it was funny. Humor is the only morality the Joker operates by.

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>The publicity disagrees.
But the actual numbers, records of people buying the comics, don't

That's pretty damn good considering Cap had previously settled in the low 30,000s.

Not written by Stan, that was actually written by Gary Friedrich owho replaced Stan Lee and one of the worst Cap writers (he introduced the shitty Femme Force and tried to cuck Nick Fury by having his girlfriend get with Cap) his run wasn't liked.

The panel you got that from is from Cap #147 which was one of the most hated Cap stories (so bad it brought sales down and Gary jad to be replaced by Englehart) because it recycled an old plot line from Stan and Jack and (the sleeper agents), he brought the Red Skull back from the dead to lead a shitty Nevada Hydra chapter, and introduced some convulted stuff with Hydra, Wilson Fisk, and his son so bad that three years later Isabella had to fucking clean it up in Daredevil like Ewing cleans Bendis' shit.

Also it has the only comic were Red Skull is leading Hydra before Spencer made him co opt it.

And you can say Red Skull takes over Hydra on that one ocassion because that is what he does, he takes advantage of other groups and uses them for his own schemes, like the watchdogs, or how he used Kronas corp, or that one black liberation group that he manipulated even though he's a racist but that doesn't make those black people nazis, just his pawns.

Strucker is the only former Nazi in Hydra (or was at least) and he is the one who took Hydra and stuck with it, he believes in it and wants to bring Hydra to glory etc.... And he also thinks lowly of Nazis because they fucked up and got defeated and the reason Strucker found himself with Hydra was because he ditched the Nazis in a similar way MCU Red Skull did.

I mean Strucker is most likely racist as fuck and has some other fascist beliefs but he's not a Nazi and he has proclaimed hate for them unlike the Red Skull who doesn’t have any qualms about referring to himself as a Nazi.

This

People just want Marvel to fail.

Also Madame Hydra, Kraken, and other Hydra members aren't Nazis so Hydra being a Nazi organization makes shit sense even if writers like Spencer and Remender started suddenly cramming Neo Nazis like Sin and Crossbones into the group and former ones like Helmut.

Hell Remender had a Latino and black woman join Hydra.

>Source: The annals of my anus
How about you look up the sales yourself and see how pathetic non Star Wars or number 1s comic sales are.

>Because literally nothing they could do, even a controversial storyline involving a highly public and highly publicized event, could get them sales anymore.
They could write good comics and not be antagonistic against the only people who will ever buy floppies.

inb4 casuals asking who he is

LOL, suck it Simonfags. No one cares about your Golden Age sadist soldier. Lee created the Cap everyone knows and loves.

This, Cap is also one of the characters that is near and dear to him so you have to do something like Fury strangling another characyer with their intestines levels of bad for Stan to get triggered (which Ennis did and Fury is the other character that is sacred for Stan and he got mad about it).

Stan Lee basically popularized the whole "shocking ending, read the next comic to find out!"

Lee and Kirby via Marvel Method.

But Stan is the one that had the shield throw idea so he contributed a big deal to Cap.

What I love about this is SJWs were using him as an example of why Hydra Cap was bad, "he's a Jewish creator, he fought Nazis in WWII, he wrote Cap, this is an insult to him!" But when he says he's OK with it suddenly "Fuck that white man!"

Unbelievable.

I said it in another thread but it's literally just a case of NOT MUH being argued under the guise of SJW logic. They don't actually care about that stuff in this context. They are only using it as an argument.

Same thing happened with Grayson on a smaller scale. No one is actually against sexualizing Dick; they love cropping ass panels and shit. They only did it because they hated the status quo and wanted people to agree with them.

>Lee and Kirby via Marvel Method.
That's fair. Kirby would have laid out that page and the visual storytelling for that page before Lee filled in the dialogue. I guess I just really love what Lee did with the dialogue here. It's heroic in a slightly cheesy way, but it's still kind of a "Democracy! Fuck yeah!" moment. From what I've seen, Simon's Cap mostly just seems to spout action one liners.

You should give some credit to Don Heck too. Kirby was the artist for Cap's solo stories, but barely touched him in The Avengers. And honestly, Avengers wasn't very good when Kirby was still on it.

Fun fact: Hydra is all Doctor Doom's fault. 1940s Strucker followed Doctor Doom through a time portal to the present day, where he read some history books and found out the Third Reich was doomed. Doom let him go back to the past, convinced Strucker could do nothing to hurt him. Back in the past Strucker reformed Hydra and prepared for Hitler's inevitable defeat, feigning to still be loyal to the Nazi party (the Red Skull apparently saw through it though).

>How about you look up the sales yourself and see how pathetic non Star Wars or number 1s comic sales are.

If is right, it's doing pretty good.

>I said it in another thread but it's literally just a case of NOT MUH being argued under the guise of SJW logic.
Aw, they're becoming like real fans! That's so cute.

>Avengers wasn't very good when Kirby was still on it.
It wasn't too bad, but I'll agree it took off with the Lee/Heck ones.

>Also it has the only comic were Red Skull is leading Hydra before Spencer made him co opt it.
Kind of weird when you think about it. Red Skull has been associated with Hydra in so many movies, tv shows, cartoons, videogames and toys that it's the kind of thing people assume is the case in the comics as well.

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Are any of Cap's Golden Age stories worth reading? I got started in comics with Tales of Suspense when it had a lot of stories with him sitting around Avengers mansion recalling his WW2 adventures and have always wanted to check out more of his stuff set in that time.

>I mean Strucker is most likely racist as fuck and has some other fascist beliefs
He isn't as racist anymore, but yeah still a fascist

Zemo too, to a degree. I'm pretty sure I heard some complaints about movie Zemo not being HYDRA, but he really had very little connection to HYDRA historically. He's a leader now, but it's a very recent development. I think they must have been thinking of Avengers EMH.

I'm working through them right now. They're alright. There's some interesting examples of pretty creative paneling, considering how early this was. Nothing stands out majorly.

they can use captain hydra for a secret invasion adaptation

I think it's more that Zemo is very much tied into the Nazis and because people now think HYDRA is Nazis they see an imagined connection there.

>they're all planning on buying the next few issues because they're pissed off and confused and want to know more.
See, this shit is exactly why we need torrenting. People need a way to see what stupid shit is going on without feeding into anything they don't actually want to support.
Casuals need to figure this out, because if this keeps working, they'll keep doing it.

So who was Zemo's wife? Melissa?

I like how Doom is wearing the same outfit he wore in his first appearance.

Stan must have taken the soul of some writer to buy him a few more years.

>Melissa
Songbird? I don't think so.