What are your thoughts on nuclear energy, Sup Forums? Do you think the common fear of them(caused by Fukushima and Chernobyl) is justified, or simply a knee-jerk reaction?
It's clear that after these accidents nuclear has essentially been thrown out, at least in western countries, as a valid replacement for fossil fuel plants, and that the only places seeing new ones built are in Asia and Russia. Personally I feel that in stable first world countries we should really reconsider them, and oil and coal pose just as much risk to health and the environment if not more so.
Why the fuck would I want to put my life in danger with "nuclear energy" (AKA nuclear weapons) which could blow up at any moment?
Parker Torres
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Lucas Sanchez
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Ryan Turner
Nuclear energy is by far the cleanest and most safe energy there is and has best safety record of any source of energy. Chernobyl was a fluke and Fukushima legit ally got hit by 9.0 earthquake and a fucken tsunami and still didn't go critical. People are just scared of things that they don't understand.
Isaac Morgan
LMAO >Be American >Nuke yourself
Anthony Jones
It's the best source of energy until cold fusion comes along
Jason Lopez
I know this is Sup Forums but goddamned this is the most ignorant thing I've read in weeks
Benjamin Thompson
Ignore him, he's probably from Iqaluit.
Adrian Mitchell
I'm okay with them, as long as I'm outside their blast radius. I don't trust the locals to not fuck it up Chernobyl style, it's totally worth investing in though.
Evan Fisher
I think nuclear energy is the future of energy as we know it. The common fear associated with those accidents is completely blown out of proportion , there are 444 operational nuclear reactors, and out of those only 6 have resulted in a meltdown. The vast majority of those that melted down were caused by a human error from a lack of training and mechanical failures also from poor training. Fossil fuels are a finite and inherently harmful to the environment. Nuclear energy is the future
Nathaniel Collins
Okay there, toothpaste. Have fun with your second head.
Jayden Myers
If they just make sure there is enough funding for thorough inspections and no-shit replacing worn components I have no problem with nuclear.
Shit I was stationed on a nuclear aircraft carrier for 4 years. I literally lived on top of two reactors.
shit's safe as houses
Brayden Wilson
I you weren't aware my active component is fluoride I am already nuclear
Hudson Ward
Nuclear is the best energy - I think my appliances work better with nuclear.
Charles Campbell
Reminder that Uranium based reactors were worked on instead of Thorium because it was easier to weaponize.
Juan Lewis
>Implying fluoride atoms can explode into nuclear bombs Read a fucking book.
Zachary Powell
this
Nolan Foster
>OP'S country doesnt even have nuclear weapons
asks about nuclear power
Jack Howard
It can actually You just need a lot and the explosion is still shit even then Fluoride can definitely chain react
Brandon Bell
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Austin Price
There's literally no reason why my country shouldn't get the majority of its energy from nuclear power
Wyatt Green
I agree, and honestly I think it is a deliberate propaganda attempt to keep the worlds dependence on fossil fuels.
I was watching a famous documentary of Chernobyl, The True Battle of Chernobyl, which had all kinds of interviews with Soviet officials and other such people. The amount of disinformation was shocking. One so called "expert" said that if the corium had melted down and hit the water pooling under the reactor, a 3mt explosion would erupt, destroying Minsk and rendering all of Europe inhabitable. Which is ridiculous if you know even the basics of how nuclear fission works and that a 3mt explosion wouldn't even reach a quarter of a way to Minsk(which is 300+ km away from Chernobyl).
Canada is covered in nuclear reactors and is one of the largest producers of radioactive isotopes for medical imaging.
Julian Foster
Then why am I not exploding when I exhale in? When you breathe oxygen it reacts?
Luke Taylor
>Be American >Get mutated
Ayden Russell
We sell nuclear energy to you A quite decent region on the east coast runs in Dutch nuclear energy
Jordan Flores
Nuclear energy is one of the cleanest sources of energy
Its the current year and you're a leaf, why the FUCK doesn't Canada have nuclear energy?
Oliver Wilson
There's no rational reason why we're not 100% nuclear by now.
Chase Peterson
You are exploding actually Really slowly This is called aging Oxygen is slowly killing you
Tyler Ross
Is thorium viable or is it meme tier?
Dominic Flores
>Canada doesn't have nuclear reactors Didgeridoo education everone...
Cameron Wilson
I'd love to see modern nuclear power plants get built to satisfy the country's energy needs, but it seems like both parties stay the fuck away from ever even mentioning the revitalization of nuclear power. Democrats obviously piss their pants at the mere mention of nuclear, but Republicans have me more confused on why they never address it. I suppose it could be to curry favor from coal and oil industry who don't want to see another competitor rise, but I could be wrong.
Jacob Scott
I know it's bait but I'm still triggered
Aaron Davis
Very clean source of energy, but can't account for natural disasters.
Like we saw with fukushima, even absolutely modern facilities are subject to total failure under the right conditions, and failure merits a world wide disaster, so ehhh???
Elijah Wright
Yes because we had a retarded Labour government that voted against renewing the nuclear stations when we had no alternative, so we had to run a fucking cable under the channel and rent from the Dutch grid. Absolutely tragic.
Josiah Turner
It's still a meme The closest we have is a breeder reactor in Finland but it's been under construction for years
Thomas Myers
No it isn't, Canadian air is clean as fuck.
Ian Miller
Wow Just wow Read a book Educate yourself
Eli Anderson
It would be more accurate to say you were "rusting".
See: If you've ever had an Xray done, it was probably with material purchased from Canada.
William Campbell
>Update oxygen is inherently dangerous to us
Brody Gonzalez
You should probably stop breathing then.
Ian Fisher
I bet you're just a real happy person ,aren't you leaf..
Lincoln Carter
Literally no nuclear relted deaths at Fukshima after the power plant was hit by an earthquake.
Julian Gomez
>if we find something better to breathe we could literally delay aging an enormous amount Why have we not done this
Jaxon Perez
>Fukushima >a safe modern facility up to code Kek
Aaron Kelly
Tell that to the Fukashima people. Fuck nuclear.
Michael Cooper
And a tsunami.
Connor Baker
>blast radius You do know that it's physically impossible for a nuclear reactor to explode like an atomic bomb, right? Explosions at nuclear power plants are due to high pressure steam rupturing containment vessels. Essentially, identical to a boiler explosion.
Elijah Ramirez
and a tsunami, which was technically caused by the earthquake. such a disaster would be virtually impossible to fully prepare for.
Connor Allen
Nuclear rods , like uranium, are only at the 5% enrichment , nuclear bombs require upwards of 95% enrichment. A reactor is not an idle atomic bomb
Christian Richardson
Fukushima's not even modern. It's over 40 years old.
Gavin Ward
Real talk, why haven't we engineered ourselves to breathe more compounds than O2 by now?
John Barnes
>we had 4 NPPs >all of them got shut down in the late 80s/early 90s JUST.
Jason Cox
Daily reminder that multiple RMBK's are still in operation (with upgrades) Nuclear energy is like a car, great until something goes horribly wrong. Not all cars are equally safe, and all cars will eventually have an incident or accident.
Why the FUCK don't we have reactors that can't melt down/don't produce as much waste?
Fusion energy sounds better when it'll come out. Nuclear is gross tho.
Henry Lee
I wasn't talking about deaths you mongloid, look up any satellite maps of the fallout, shit reached all over the pacific
Nicholas Hernandez
That's why nuclear energy is rare, because idiots like me are the majority.
Jeremiah Moore
That would be a monumental task, Mr toothpaste. Nonetheless, it would be a very very very beneficial one.
Thomas Ortiz
We do breathe more compounds than o2
Parker Jones
Because low pressure design aren't fully working yet The moment we have low pressure nuclear reactors it will literally be the safest form of energy
Connor Foster
that was part of my point, nuclear energy is clean but it's also got the largest gamble of oh shit scenarios that we can't prevent.
Blake Cooper
Because people are two scared to build new safer ones and decommission the old ones. Yet we still need the power that it supply's.
Isaac Reed
wtf, You are not an idiot, my friend!
Josiah Moore
This is just because if the left misinformation
Parker Roberts
They are necessary, there are no affordable, viable alternatives to power large metropolitan areas.
The technology is reliable, their main problem lies with the authorities managing them that are crooked and shady as fuck.
There should be international protocols for dealing with nuclear waste other than dumping it as sea in fishing waters or to provision the funds necessary to dismantle old power plants.
Angel Walker
(You)
Lucas Scott
With proper training and proper fail safes protocol , any reactor can be prevented from going critical in almost any situation!
Gabriel Ward
Because we rely on oxidative phosphorylation for our energy, and hopefully you can guess by the name that the process requires oxygen. Don't they teach this shit in school anymore?
Landon Harris
I know we do But there has to be a better way
Joshua Cook
Why don't we just engineer ourselves to not rely on oxdotive phoswhatever? Think outside the box friend
Julian Scott
There's got to be some compound that can react in the same way that oxidative phosphorylation allows us to breath
Nicholas Ortiz
So you propose we do this... when our atmosphere is still going to contain in large part oxygen...
If we were talking about space travel, then fine. We could turn ourselves into blue haired elves while we're at it, just like my Japanese anime!
Seriously, if we were going to genetically alter ourselves for longevity, there are better ways to go.
Also, I'd rather we genetically alter ourselves so we photosynthesize.
Eli Rogers
yes plant people gg
Joseph Morgan
Man why don't add the ability to breathe like
CO2 and shit
That'd be dank
or weed, do you know how much more fun it'd be? You could just take perpetual hits holy shit
fuck I want this now
when can this be done pls respond
Angel Parker
I'm just going to take the opportunity to suggest you read and/or watch Knights of Sidonia.
>have world's largest uranium reserves. >lefty cucks are anti coal/gas fired plants >lefty cucks are anti nucler power (I.E THE ONLY VIABLE ALTERNATIVE IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETELY REPLACE COAL)
fuck this place.
Hunter Watson
How can you call it "clean" when it produces waste which will be radioactive for milennia?
Either way, nuclear power is great and THEORETICALLY extremely safe. But there's still the chance of natural disasters, human error and, on top of all - human greed. Since it's all about money you can bet your ass that there will always be somebody trying to cut corners to get an advantage over the competition, and he will always find some government official willing to look the other way for a decent enough bribe. Look at waste disposal: German providers are bound by law to deal with the waste they are producing, of course. But since it's pretty expensive to bury all that shit yourself they ship it to France and pay french providers to deal with it. Now... do the Frenchies properly bury it in old salt mines or whatever? Nope, they dilute it and pour it into the Channel because their laws allow it.
Great technology, but it's just too risky because there will always be a slight chance to fuck up big time and pollute a whole country or even continent. So for the time being it shouldn't be used on inhabited planets, at least not as long as we're unable to deal with the potential hazards.
Charles Evans
>Which is ridiculous if you know even the basics of how nuclear fission works It wouldn't be nuclear fission, it would be a thermal explosion which would be large enough to rupture the remaining reactors and spread all the nuclear materials on site all over the continent
Grayson Watson
You have 24/7 sun.
80% of failstralia is abo tir and unihabitel.
Why no green energy shitpostralia?
Nathan Fisher
A steam explosion would be impossible to create a 3 MEGATON explosion, large enough to "raze" Minsk(300+ KILOMETERS away). The only way such a large explosion is possible in the scenario were if somehow all the material chain reacted in a nuclear explosion, which is what they were implying in the documentary, but would be basically impossible in that scenario. The worst case scenario wasn't nearly as bad as making the whole continent uninhabitable.
Jace Jackson
>solar. >efficient. choose one and only one.
the only viable renewable we have is hydroelectric.
Levi Bennett
>implying solar is cost effective at all beyond running a house in the woods
Nicholas Price
The stuff that lasts for millennia isn't that nasty - it's the stuff that has half lives of 10,000 years and is extremely radioactive. Thankfully, there's a solution for that in breeder reactors. You can reprocess spent fuel from conventional reactors and then stuff it into a burner reactor that basically consumes all of the nasty stuff that's both energetic and lasts a long time. When it's all said and done what comes out falls into two categories: a) shit that has a half life of less than 100 years which is relatively easy to bury and seal in concrete for long enough that by the time the containment fails it's relatively harmless, and b) shit that has half lives of >200,000 years (up to millions of years) which is so low energy that it's relatively safe and can be buried in stable geological formations. The problem with breeder reactors is they present an enormous weapons proliferation risk, so they have to be very well guarded.
tldr: we have a fairly good solution but its too scary to use
Bentley Green
Which is FAR from being ecologically friendly.
Gabriel Taylor
Solar energy ,in its current state, is completely inefficient in its energy conversion.Normal PV cells are only like 15% efficient. Solar farms actually have to be subsidized by the us government because of how ineffective they are atm. Give it time, when they are futurized they will be a top contender for energy production
Lincoln Adams
correct.
Nuclear is the GREENEST option for us, but we ignore it.
Logan Hall
No moving parts. Instant energy. No supervision needet. Hazard lvl very low. Securety risk very low.
99% more efficent then nukes or other typs of power plants. It is the perfect energy source.
Alexander Rodriguez
Yeah greenest as in turning green from radioactivity u dumbass
have fun getting blown up
Jayden Howard
Only get power when the sun is shining. Takes up a lot of room. Yes, it does require maintenance.
Photovoltaics are a great, but they currently can't be much more than a supplement.
Jacob Murphy
>le shitposting Canadian. thought it was just a meme.
Tyler Robinson
>How can you call it "clean" when it produces waste which will be radioactive for milennia? Because under standard operating conditions the waste never escapes.
Not commenting on the validity of that observation, but that's how the term is justified.
Colton Ward
>imying Chernobyl didn't happen
Henry Allen
Thats because we have to convert the energy. Send it throu shity energy infrastructure.
Josiah Kelly
The UK has planes for a new nuclear reactor but for some reason people seem scared of it, think it's still being built anyway
Easton Nelson
hahaha you don't even need shitskins to go kaboom
Owen Powell
>solar more efficient than nuclear I don't think you know what 'efficient' means.
Our country would go bankrupt trying to get a substantial part of our energy production from solar with the current technology.
Hunter Nelson
>implying Chernobyl wasn't run by a dying empire with no regard for safety and a failing economy
Camden Powell
Nuclear planes do sound like a bad idea desu senpai
Chernobyl won't happen again because graphite is no longer used as control rod tips