What's wrong with Obamacare?

What's wrong with Obamacare?

Australia has dope health care, I've been told many times Obamacare is more or less the same thing.

What's the problem, Sup Forums?

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If that guy had better access to appropriate healthcare things could have been very different.

healthcare is code word for "take some drugs to cover up symptoms because us doctors and politicians are too incompetent to ever find the root cause of a symptom and balance out whatever is wrong in X system"

stop being a subhuman and go to a chiropractor or naturopath.

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>affordable healthcare act
not affordable

PUT THE DELEGATES IN THE FUCKING BUCKET!!!

principles are the problem. market forces are undermined (even simple insurance is bad because people overpay on fear rather than directly for services) and power concentrated. it's all insane.

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Because it does literally nothing about health care costs except inflate them, and only intended to affect health insurance prices, which it also inflated.

Basically, not only did they jack up prices for everyone, they made it illegal not to pay 10% of your income for a fucking private service just for being alive.

Nice meme m8

Australia does not have dope healthcare.

>I've been told many times Obamacare is more or less the same thing
its not

obamacare = citizens are forced by law to buy health insurance from any provider they want. if they dont then they get fined.

in australia we get free(ish) healthcare which covers the basics but we can get private healthcare on top of that if we want -- so obamacare isn't really either of them? that sounds... retarded

why would anyone support it? are americans really that dumb?

Obamacare is nothing like what we have here. What the fuck is wrong with you?

From what I can figure out, it's like the worst of both systems. Instead of having universal Medicare and things like the PBS to keep costs down, you have mandatory insurance to pay for overpriced corporate healthcare. I got caught out when I was in the US and had to pay $250 for eye drops that cost $6.50 at home.

because obamacare is really a scam to make insurance companies richer, the US Govt and medical industry do not give a shit about anyone's health, they are only interested in profits

I dunno m8. When I turned 18 I got my medicare card. Haven't paid for anything since then. Its pretty dope.

Nobody supports that garbage. Liberals hate it because it's not real public health care. Conservatives hate it because it's fucking terrible and they didn't want the federal government screwing with it in the first place.

We have socialised healthcare, yet when compared to the US, smaller portion of our budget goes into not only healthcare but also housing and bunch of other stuff than goes into healthcare alone in the US.

I honestly cannot comprehend this.

>from any provider they want.

wrong

a list is given to you based off locality
If we could truly choose who we wanted, Obamacare premiums wouldnt be soo high

Basically the government tells 50% of the population (liberals) what think and they smile and nod like sheep even when the rest of us point out how bad they are fucking us.

1/4 of my income last year went to Obamacare and my parent's insurance doubled overnight to $1200/month each. But my sisters and their liberal friends still tout how much of an accomplishment Obongocare was even with direct family telling them otherwise. I dont understand how liberals could be so stupid, but it's real

To be precise, 6% of our budget goes into health when compared to 27% in the US.

how

All it did was force everyone into the already over-priced private health insurance market. Since more people got into the market, the prices around the country went way up.

It wasn't something the nation voted on.

It went through the senate.

explain how australia has dope healthcare?

cancer or dementia? you're fucked

incorrect

>you break your legs
>call an ambulance
>in oz how much does it cost?
>literally anywhere else how much does it cost?

The idea is nice, but hospitals/doctors will screw you over if there's government money involved. Incentives etc. healthcare systems worldwide are broken or will break when corruption reaches too high levels.

explain how it doesn't?

Also even when you include education, housing, media, environmental protection, research and development, the church and culture you get to 16%.

That's still much less than 27%.

How the fuck does somewhat private healthcare system cost so fucking much.

someone please explain american health system to me.

>$1200/month
>healthcare


what the fuck, there is clearly something wrong here.
do those companies have monopoly over healthcare or what? i thought its supposed to be competitive.
also this obongocare is very vague and i haven't heard a decent explanation on the subject yet

My limited understanding of it boils down to:
> Incessant lobbying for the insurance industry's good, which ruins competition in the market
So their pre-Obamacare model didn't really work: It was meant to be a free market, but the market was being shekeled to fewer and richer companies who didn't compete with one another.

> Obamacare isn't proper Communist Healthcare(r) like the Americans feared/wanted/whatever
It's just the same system with some Obama-flavoured spunk on it. Now everyone will get some fucking insurance, and someone will pay the insurance companies enough so that they don't lose money on it.

Which is retarded.

> It still doesn't fix the issue of uncompetitiveness in the medical insurance market.

Also, add in mountains of red tape everywhere in the medical industry in the US, and you start to see where the problem lies.

At least here, things are (slowly) getting better, even as politicians try to sabotage our healthcare system. (If you can sabotage it, you prove that the model cannot work, and thus must be scrapped for a system suggested by (((philantropic medical entrepeneurs))).

>why would anyone support it? are americans really that dumb?

No, our Congress is essentially bought and paid for by lobbyists for corporate interests. And you can bet your sweet Aussie ass that the healthcare industry has deep pockets they can share with "cooperating friends."

The general population either "supports" it because they're forced into buying (yes BUYING) healthcare from private corporations by law at higher rates than they saw before Obamacare was passed AND for less coverage generally, or they're gibsmedats/illegalgibsmes "supporting" it by being the privileged groups that benefit from everyone else's skyrocketing rates covering their asses.

haha you guys pay for healthcare

sshhh shut the fuk slav, dont tell them

or do tell them but also include other fkin stupid shit in our country

>i thought its supposed to be competitive.

It's not. Not really.

christ... no wonder so many americans are on xanax

He must be full of it. Mine through work is 120 a month. I had 100k in bills last year, had to pay 2k of my own and that was it.

>do those companies have monopoly over healthcare or what?

Kind of. You only get to pick from a few local ones. One of Trump's plans for healthcare is to eliminate the state boundaries for health insurance companies to increase competition.

so basically you are paying the same price you would pay for a private healthcare.

what changed? good healthcare is subsided, this is private and sure costs like one.

Do Americans get free dental/medical if they're in the defence force, like Aus do?

>I've been told many times Obamacare is more or less the same thing.
You've been lied to.

the Republicans in Congress agreed only to the part about using the US Gov for billing and collection for the investment groups that own the hospitals, drug cos and insurance corps, they refused to allow the government price controls part of the plan, and Obama went along with their version.


During the summer of 2008, after health advocate Sen Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama and after Kennedy died, Obama flip flopped and turned his back on single payer plans.

Premiums have risen 40% and more, while coverage provided has gone down and deductibles have gone up.

>so basically you are paying the same price you would pay for a private healthcare.

No. You're paying for private healthcare. It's just required by law now, if you don't you either pay a fine or you have to be broke as fuck. And you may or may not be on gibsmes, just too little income on record/no bank account or paychecks they can steal from.

The quality of the private healthcare Americans have now has dropped as well. Regardless of if they wished to change policies or not, everyone pays more money for less coverage, virtually without exception. There's also a bunch of bullshit about out-of-state providers that boils down to no major competition.

Our healthcare system is not private because it is heavily subsidised and regulated
Were it not, we would pay market value

>Government subsidised church
Degenerate
What happens when the government disagrees with the church's theology?

please respond

no price controls in USA, as the Martin Skreli fiasco showed, price your treatment according to how much the patient is suffering.

Also should note that Obamacare demands a certain level of coverage, otherwise what you're paying for doesn't count as the legal requirement and thus you're still responsible for paying the outrageous fine.

Keep in mind, this includes such things as men needing coverage for ovarian cancer. Because clearly that is the one thing men need fear most, developing ovarian cancer in their old age.

>we can get private healthcare on top of that if we want
unless we have decent-paying jobs and then it's "get private cover or pay twice as much for medicare"

>Haven't paid for anything since then. Its pretty dope.
Wait until you get seriously injured or sick. Medicare is a joke outside of GP and public hospital visits.

Private cover helps on some things but still doesn't cover everything.

>What's wrong with Obamacare?

Obama sold his plan without disclosing exactly what it was all about, and sorta wink-wink, nudge-nudge implied that it was going to be single payer/"universal" healthcare.

Instead, all he did was basically say "lol, buy healthcare or I'm going to tax you more than it costs to buy health care", and then made it illegal to disqualify people for healthcare while expanding medicare/medicaid to a slightly larger body of extreme poor who don't represent the majority anyway.

For a very small number of extreme poor, it gave them free health care.
For a very small number of people with pre-existing conditions, it gave them moderate for-pay healthcare.
For the vast majority of people, though, it just forced them to buy bare-minimum healthcare with shitty copays, high premiums, and high deductables.
For the rich, it raised their cost of coverage, but the rich are a minority too, so fuck em.

Basically, he sold his plan as being single payer healthcare and then baited and switched us by actually implementing a system that's basically our car insurance laws but for medical insurance.

with us its basically

>50% participation on basic meds, like vitamins,stuff for migraines,stuff for pain.
>expensive drugs you buy with your own money, but its subsidized
>surgeries you pay with participation, depending on what level of insurance you have
>emergencies,scans,referrals are free

My doctor is a sand nigger. He's pretty cool actually. Wears a Rolex I suppose as his little reward for becoming a doctor and fixing up disgusting old white shit heads.

If it weren't for non white doctors id probably have to pay. All the old white cunt boomer doctors near me want to charge 50 bucks when all I need is a prescription for anti biotics or something and I'm in and out in 5 minutes. Fuckin faggots.

>get private cover or pay twice as much for medicare

explain? i have an okay but not amazing income and private healthcare so i very rarely use medicare, how does that work?

theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/07/why-do-other-rich-nations-spend-so-much-less-on-healthcare/374576/

>the U.S. delivers (population adjusted) almost three times as many mammograms, two-and-a-half times the number of MRI scans, and 31 percent more C-sections. Also, the U.S. has more stand-by equipment, for example, 1.66 MRI machines per 6,000 annual scans vs. 1.06 machines. The extra machines provide easier access for Americans, but add to cost.

Basically, you take a nation of retards. You feed them shitty food for 50 years. Now you have a nation of fat, unhealthy retards. Then you sell them a bunch of shit that they wouldn't have needed otherwise. Add on to that corruption and government bureaucracy, and that is why we spend so much money on health care.

So if it was not so heavily subsidised, you would pay less on taxes but more on insurance etc.? And if it was even more regulated you would pay even more on taxes?

>Government subsidised church
It subsidises all major registered churches with the amount of money being proportionate to its' size.

And combined its like 0,05% or sth of the national budget anyway.

yeah, noticed this weirdly...

all white doctors, especially white ones, are fucking cunts who overcharge like crazy... not a huge fan of an indian dude checking me out tho :(

You are partly right. Chinese traditional medicine is based craft. They know what is really up with human body. There are living people in one island, and they eat perfectly according to chinese medicine and the average age expectance in that island is around 110. (They aim to heal the root, not the symptom only.) If you would combine this with the western system, you would create based system.

Fuck every weak cuck that can not swallow the foodredpill, enjoy eating your shitfood and taking your shit medicine because of that (and enviourment), and enjoy being weak.

>australia has dope health care[sic]

Aussie healthcare: Get a toothache, book vacation to America for dental work.

Healthcare costs went up for a lot of people after obamacare was implemented. And the program itself doesn't look sustainable. It is collapsing in many states and premiums are increasing.
The year after obamacare went into effect, my family's out of pocket went from 2k for an individual and 5k for family, to 5k per individual and 10k for family. And our monthly premiums jumped almost 200 bucks.

We would pay less on taxes and I wager less on insurance, as government waste isn't an issue with private insurers have a better incentive

It gets worse. Obama care taxes you less than most health care plans would cost you in a year. Us young people who are healthy are were supposed to get fucked over and pay for all the sick people forced upon insurance companies have a clear economic choice. I am healthy and plan to stay that way so I am saving a lot of money by simply not having insurance and paying the tax instead. If money is tight then the risk could be worth the extra money saved.

Okay, thanks.
It still seems to be highly ineffective system.

Anyone making over $62k/year loses the subsidy.

Or like me, due to a glitch on the website that crashed 3 times when i was signing up, I lost my subsidy and my premium jumped to $700/month

The premiums doubled with Obongocare and then they go back down with the subsidy. Without the subsidy (which gets smaller the more money you make and is eliminated at $62k) the premiums are completely unaffordable since they are double what they were before Obongocare

It did nothing but force people who had never shopped for insurance to shop for insurance. The rates are exactly the same as they were before Obongocare for poor people and get more expensive for anyone making over $40k/year

>next up things that have literally never happened

maybe hillary will give you some free health care? :)

>Obama care taxes you less than most health care plans would cost you in a year

For me, this is only true for the first few years of OC. Once the tax reaches it's cap in a few years, OC is higher than my insurance.

population size

I guess that means we have pretty much what you have and didnt hike taxes for it. Aussies fucked up.

I see.
What confuses me so much is that we have effectively state run healthcare and we pay much less on both taxes and insurance. You could argue that you pay for the quality but we actually rank higher in that too.

make over a certain amount and the medicare levy doubles (the "medicare levy surcharge") unless you have private insurance.

it's why they ask about health insurance on your tax return

it only kicks in at like $90k for single or $180k for families now though, most people have some level of private cover long before then

GPs gotta make money somehow, they don't get to bill $6k+ for a few hours of work over months like an obstetrician or $1200 for an hour in theatre like a dental surgeon removing a couple wisdom teeth

only the big shit-tier clinics seem to bulk-bill these days, everyone else has you pay even if they put the medicare claim in for you

not at our current exchange rate senpai

A knee injury and one of my kids being diagnosed with crohns has already cost us 8 grand this year, when it should have been about 4. And that's on top of an extra 2,400 or so in premiums for year.

We pay for drug development. Or at least thats the excuse. Its all a bunch of horseshit and I almost hope trump wins for that alone. Im tired of being taxed for not having insurance I couldn't afford if i wanted too.

Adverse selection. ACA removed the preexisting conditions exclusions, meaning that people who were already sick began signing up for health insurance, costing millions of dollars. Meanwhile healthy uninsured people continued to be uninsured since there was no reason to sign up. In order to meet costs, insurance companies have raised premiums exponentially, forcing previously insured people out of their healthcare plans, or even the market all-together. It's a complete fucking disaster.

Australia doesn't have nearly as many lazy assholes leeching off taxpayers. Wanna trade our welfare niggers for your abos? Didn't think so.

>We pay for drug development.
That does sound like a shit excuse.
Well either way hope you guys manage to fix it somehow. I dont know if state run fully socialised healthcare would work for you (And even if it goes against my political beliefs it does seem to work just fine here) or if the solution is going full private but I hope someone fixes that shit soon.

We were paying $800 a month for a family of 3 at my wifes last job. They didn't cover health insurance so it was private and it was either pay that or get awful premiums with barely any coverage. It did give free prescriptions and no copay though.

She got a new job and now its 400 a month for a family of 3, but there is now a copay and prescription costs.

Now my dad, he had 2 heart attacks, prostate cancer and a bunch of other shit and insurance companies wouldn't even look at him before Obama care, like flat out denied him coverage, just "good luck with dying". After Obama care they had to give him coverage, but it costs $1200 a month for minimum coverage. Its ran by greedy jews.

2% of the population vs. 13% i'm good i'll keep the abos fuck most of them live in the middle of fucking nowhere

Fact about obamacare.
Mudbungos can no longer use the emergency room free of charge on medicaid. If it is a frivilous claim state and federal aid will deny the claim.
All colors of nog are forced to schedule an apointment with their obg or pcp.
Failure to do so will rezult in personal charges which will reflect on the nogbogs credit history.
I know this because i used to ahare an apartmebt complex with a american nigerian broodmare.

i love these aussie retards who think medicare's got your back.

GPs chose to be GPs, other doctorates pay more its the same as any industry.

Regardless of what you say Australian health care is god tier, Have blinding migraines lately from work, Numerous GP visits, free, MRI scans, visit to neuro surgeon, all free.

Friend got testical cancer, young cunt 22. Only discovered it when lifting something at work feel shooting pain, Doctors do scan, rush him and operate that night.

Medicare is a massive massive bill our government has to fund, tax dollars only cover so much but what it covers is pretty dam great.

>thinking the root cause of problems lies ina lack of balance of energies in your body

Let us know how your tai-chi and acupuncture works for you when you have a serious disease, fagget.

It's very believable depending on what kind of insurance plan you have. My parents have a plan that covers all hospital costs except for luxuries like tv and phone. My mother had a 20k hospital bill after a surgery and paid for nothing but the $60 for her tv access

I'm not a healthcare expert but I'm confident Milton Friedman was right on the economics

Health costs in USA are insane. So shitty compared to Europe

The Affordable Healthcare Act is a total misnomer and scam
It siphoned disposable income away from middle class workers, which gets diverted to the govt piggy bank
That's all it is.
Poor people had nothing change except get less prescription coverage due to cuts in the formulary
People who don't want to buy care and fall below the poverty line were able to get welfare care even if they are perfectly healthy

It's just a way to crush our economic system, which it is doing.
Also, it cut more people out of the middle class & brought them into the lower class
More people are on welfare and unemployed now than ever
It was made to fail
And looking at today's Q2 GDP adjustment, it's working according to plan.
Obama will be the first President to never have a see yearly GDP of 3%

In europe, you can't sue your doctor or hospital if they put a stitch in wrong and you have fewer doctors who specialize. Most US doctors have a specialty and so they get paid more

Our Healthcare is pretty much Obamacare.

I wish we had the U.K. healthcare system. That shit is fucking insane.

They don't pay for fuck all.

Obamacare is nothing like the medicare system at all. Obamacare is private healthcare with high cost deducatbles that still costs several times per year per capita than medicare does.

Even with Obamacare life threatening injuries or major sugeries can still get you bankrupt. Most American's can't even afford an ambulance.

>Free healthcare

Like fuck.

The first year that I didn't buy health insurance I got slugged with a 700 dollar bill by the ATO and I didn't even visit a fucking doctor once.

I have to pay 13.50 a week just for dental coverage, since the government doesn't cover it at all (unless you're on welfare - which is fucking retarded).

>They don't pay for it
B8

Basically it varies depending on your income bracket. The higher you earn, the more you get slugged by the tax office at the end of the year if you aren't covered by private health insurance.

And trust me, having had a friend who suffered a compound fracture who had to go through medicare, you want to be covered by private health insurance. Then again, you have to be able to afford it, and it's expensive as fuck. Like 50 bucks a week for anything even remotely passable.

They seriously don't.

We pay the same fucking taxes and get shit all in return. They get fucking everything for free, including dental.

I pay just as much in taxes as they do, plus private health insurance, plus I had to drop 7 grand on dental work over the last year.

Of course, the NHS is constantly on the brink of collapse (and on the brink of bringing down the U.K.'s budgets with it).

The Freakenomics guys claimed they crunched the numbers and can find no way for it to be sustainable in the long run.

Obamacare isn't socializing healthcare, all it does is force people to buy health insurance (which is ludicrously expensive in some areas)

Right in the middle is the answer

>tfw forced by law to pay 170€ per month for health insurance that I don't even use
I don't even see the point because if I did go to a clinic I still have a huge as fuck co-pay

its not free if you are taxed you fucking idiot

>Affordable Care Act
>Premiums have skyrocketed
But at least I'm covered for maternity care if I, as a man, get pregnant!

>Free
>Taxed

>vacation
Nah. Tbh senpai, we're more likely to go to Thailand for dental and tit jobs.

emergency care is about all it's good for senpai

want surgery for something that isn't life-threatening? you'll be waiting for months if not years (until you crack the shits and go private or go overseas)

it's awesome when you're 18 and don't have kids

later in life you learn what a fucking joke the entire system is

Forcing people to purchase insurance with catastrophic premiums only Trump can afford.

My costs were $130/month before Obamacare, $350/month after Obamacare, for ALMOST the same coverage, not quite as good as it was before. And I'm unemployed. But I have money in the bank and own a house so I don't qualify for any reductions. You pretty much have to be a totally broke heroin addict and knock up a crackwhore a few times to get any sort of reduction in health insurance cost in Virginia. Not that I want any... I don't want other people to pay for my health insurance. I just want the cheap plan I had before.