Was Disney better in the 80s and 90s when it was essentially animated Broadway musicals and not pop songs?

Was Disney better in the 80s and 90s when it was essentially animated Broadway musicals and not pop songs?
>menken and ashman power team

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i hate to say it but yeah. faggy stage-musical music is a lot better than pop songs. that's why oliver and company is so irritating to watch.

so yeah if all these bitches were all over aladdin howcome he couldnt sell his body for money?

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they were on screen for like five seconds, user...

Tangled was pop songs. The Princess and the Frog, Frozen, and probably Moana (the songs are being written by the guy from Hamilton) are Broadway.

Let is go is not a broadway song, it is a pop ballad

Eww those Twigs on a pearl body proportions, its s shame that women were drawn as being elastic stretch dolls.

So were most of the animals in Zootopia and that has a shit ton of detail put into it unnecessarily.

Disney is objectively higher quality in visuals and storytelling than they have ever been. Their comedic relief characters don't hijack scenes (Like in Little Mermaid, Pocahontas), they've been more tonally consistent, the level of detail has been bumped up to a 900, and their stories are more interesting.

disney now or then?

Why were the late-80's to 90's so obsessed with Broadway anyway? I'm absolutely not complaining, I love the stuff, but it's pretty notable in a lot of animation from the era. It wasn't just theatrical animation either, the Spielberg cartoons and Simpsons come to mind as cartoons that frequently used or referenced it.

>let is go
Are you black by any chance?

Disney now. Everything Tangled and onward. Even Bolt wasn't that bad, but it's obvious every department took it to the next level once Tangled hit. Probably because in between that time, they spent so much time doing tech development as well as working on stories that have been on shelves for awhile.

They can afford to do way more revisions now than ever, which helps a lot, as is evident by Zootopia.

I used to hate it when a song broke out in any animated movie when I was a kid, but I've really come to appreciate it as an adult. The Broadway style songs are immensely better at story telling than pop songs, so I'm going with Broadway. It's nice to have a catchy pop song sprinkled in once in a while but I think they should be limited to one per movie.

Agreed. Menken and Ashman forever

Well this thread ended quickly.

No... stupid numbers are not going to stop this. You're a faggot.

Rude.

>a pop ballad
what's the difference?
really?
are you going to sit there and lie to me and say that broadway doesn't regularly feature shows with pop ballads

quints of truth
but seriously, I first noticed it watching beauty and the beast, and it finally clicked. i think thats what modern disney is missing, which is weird considering how many people "pretend" to love broadway and all its movie offshoots (rent, hairspray, etc)

Damn! school is out. I forgot.

My God, are you salty.

Pop ballads are things that could be played on the radio, where as broadway music is less likely

>posts "rude"
>calls user salty
right back at ya

I kind of agree with you. Idina's 'let it go' isn't actually super pop-y. But when demi sings it then it's firmly pop.

>So were most of the animals in Zootopia and that has a shit ton of detail put into it unnecessarily.

Eh, the animals not so much. Once you watch the movie twice you can see where they reuse the models. There's exactly one male tiger model and like three wolf models.

The backgrounds are detailed as fuck, but they can only waste so much time on minor characters that don't say anything.

Heres an example
The first version is something you'd find on broadway and not on a pop radio station
youtube.com/watch?v=jBg3SZTU_Nk

The second version is the duet which sounds horribly 90s and perfect for radio play but would've sounded terrible in the film
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I'm the guy who got the quints earlier. The reason that Broadway-type musical music is so much better than pop is that it is not beholden to cliche. Your average pop song is supposed to be as vague as possible so that as many people as possible will find it relatable. The girl in a love song is never named, no specific experience is mentioned, it could be about any goddamn thing. Common emotions packaged and sold.

The songs in musicals are forced to be about something. The lyrics have to reflect what's actually going on. That's why I've always liked the lyrics in musicals better than almost anywhere else. It's like there's some higher standard.

This is also why I violently despised Frozen. It was one vague feel good pop ballad after another. "Let it Go" for example was just one damned cliche after another: from "I tried to be a good girl" to the vague title refrain which could refer to the release of anything: revealing feelings, coming out as gay, etc

And the worst part is that it worked. There's nothing so bad about seeing a shitty film. But a shitty film or book or song that everyone but you reveres is the worst feeling in the world. It can make you feel insane. People fucking loved Frozen. This proved that the one thing that made musicals great was unnecessary. Frozen proved that musicals can be as stupid and generic as everything else. It set the art back, both musicals and animation, in my opinion. Compare the shit in Frozen to anything by Menken or Sondheim or Tim Rice and you'll see what I mean.

You saying?

>Tangled was pop
>Frozen was Broadway
Wtf are you smoking?

well said

Quintsguy here: you wanna see a REALLY cringeworthy example of a disney pop cover

Original:
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Cover:
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Yeah but literally nobody cares about the demi version

>Second song is what Little Mermaid would sound like in 2016

i hope to god they dont to remakes

The champ is here.

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oh lord that really is dreadful

>I used to hate it when a song broke out in any animated movie when I was a kid
You were that kinda kid? I hated that kinda kid so much. He would always start fidgeting and fucking up the best parts of the song by monkeying around.

I don't really like musicals either way, I think they're the weakest aspect of Disney movies.

> that's why oliver and company is so irritating to watch.
This. Broadway style musicals are timeless. Flavor of the moment "Let it go" modern day pop songs will start to feel dated within 10 to 15 years time.

FUUUUU!!
I love the cute side kick characters.
I just don't get people who hate the side kick characters in shows and films like Orko, Slimer, and the Gargoyles from the Hunchback.
They are fucking awesome and I hate all the hate they get. It's always the same complaints and they usually come from males.
>they're to cute
>they hijack the scenes
>they're annoying
>they talk and sound to cute / annoying
>I wanna see more action and less cute comedy bites
Fuck you man.

>not liking sparkly, echo-y 90's synth pop that STILL after all these years hits a deep, primeval nostalgic nerve of early youth and joy

I don't like you.

how come Sup Forums doesn't like pop music? I grew up with dad rock and by now all I listen to basically is pop music of all kinds

That's the point of that gag. Lemmings.

I don't ever wanna here the try song again...

and where is the problem?

Allow me to be your guide through the fiery depths of hell!

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>changing from dad rock to present pop

>not having fun with the triplets

I mean
Frozen WAS essentially an Animated Musical.
The songs were all written by Tony award winning writers.

It had its time, it the 90s it was great, its like they went to their casio keyboard, looked up rhythm 003 - R&B Ballad and sang karaoke over it. It doesnt hold up well for me anymore

I thought it was meh. I was going to say shit, but thinking about it I didn't feel that strongly about it.

They were better in the '90s when they did hand drawn animation. The CG stuff just looks like porcelain dolls brought to life. Especially when they animate humans. It looks awful.

Why would Genie bother creating hundreds of individual servant girls with unique features?

Shit taste, user

>hand drawn animation.
This makes little difference to the quality of a movie. It's only a superficial thing. Being hand drawn doesn't make the movie better anymore than being CG makes the movie better. Really getting tired of you little shits whining about this all the time.

Frozen was a musical too, user.

Menken used to be alright but he's shit now, and even when he was good he put out some stinkers. Newsies was fucking garbage.

>HURR LET IT GO IS STANDARD POP SONG DERP
You fucking dipshit, it's a power ballad. Frozen was written in the broadway style just like the older movies. Robert Lopez did Frozen after Avenue Q and Book of Mormon.

Pretty much the only Disney film in recent memory that didn't really have a broadway flair to the music was Princess and the Frog because they hired that idiot Randy Newman.

>Disney is objectively higher quality in visuals and storytelling than they have ever been.
>implying Frozen had an actual plot
>Tangled wasn't just ok
>Big Hero 6 wasn't the most banal capeshit movie ever
>Zootopia wasn't propoganda for multiculturalism with a clever sloth scene
>this new trend of 'surprise' villains
>CGI having more charm than traditional animation
No.

Because he can?

>I want Disney movies to be like they were in the 90's!
Ok, here's a movie musical with the score written by one of the most popular and prolific broadway writing teams alive today.
>It's not Menken so it sucks!
Well fuck you, then, everyone else likes it.

Also Menken stopped writing good songs over a decade ago.

>Also Menken stopped writing good songs over a decade ago.
No. The music/songs from Tangled were good. The songs weren't as immediately memorable as they used to be, but they were still good.

>complain that disney is too pop
>prop up Tangled as good

I didn't make that complaint. I was not that guy. I think Disney's songs are fine, though I'm glad we're getting movies without them now.

>I wasn't that guy
Well you're still wrong, I didn't think Menken could do worse than Newsies but he proved me wrong with Tangled.

I'm not wrong, you just have shit taste.

Robert Lopez and his wife are fucking amazing, OP, you don't know what you're talking about.

Whitman ain't bad either: youtube.com/watch?v=zNJxHVJtAVw

>it's a power ballad
You and I have very different definitions of power ballds.

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How can someone not like the Music in Tangled?

>Zootopia wasn't propoganda for multiculturalism with a clever sloth scene

If it was then fucking kudos to them for not letting it interrupt the overall experience. Now I'm even more convinced they're back and better than ever before.

>He thinks power ballads have to be rock with shrieking effects pedals
Power ballads are rooted in soul, user. It's more about the tempo and vocal timbre than it is about the backing.

>How can someone not like the most generic music Menken has ever shat out
The same way everyone can dislike Newsies. It's just lazy and boring.

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>with shrieking effects pedals
I don't even know what this means. Are you referencing the Digitech Whammy?

>Power ballads are rooted in soul, user
And Let it Go has zero of it. Seriously, she can barely hit the high notes and has hardly any body in her voice at all. Soul singers make powerful, incredible singing sound effortless. Let it Go sounds like it's two tones to high for the singer to manage comfortably.

..That's supposed to be bad? I mean, that does sound a bit Generic, but Tangled's music isn't. Unless we're talking about the scores and not just the lyrical songs. Which I would have to agree, Aladdin and the Little Mermaid both have instrumentals that I can recall off the top of my head; I can't think of any from Tangled.

>how can someone not like the music in tangled?
You're one of the people who in a couple of years will be complaining that nobody makes good music in movies anymore because it doesn't sound like a 2010 pop song.

>It's a "people with no formal education in music tries to analyze music" thread

You have weird fucking autism user.

>Let it go has no soul
>Idina Menzel can barely hit the high notes
>Idinia Menzel has hardly any body in her voice at all
You went full retard, user.

>That's supposed to be bad?
No, not at all. It's an entirely competent arrangement. The problem is that that's all it is. It's plain and boring. Not in any way memorable or exciting. Like Tangled.

>you can't say food tastes bad unless you're a chef

>If it was then fucking kudos to them for not letting it interrupt the overall experience.
Of a fairly mundane caper that was thematically confused?

>Now I'm even more convinced
Good for you user.

What the fuck is that?

Why do you think you have better taste in music than the next guy? What gives you such confidence?

>You went full retard, user.
I see I'm arguing with a fanboy here, so I'll let you keep your shit opinion.

Broadwayfags are the worst.

I'm not the one arguing about taste in music, just hate the dumb argument you can't judge something unless you make do the thing you're judging

All I know is that he's from Miss Spider's Sunny Patch Friends and some user had a LOT of pictures of him in a thread last year

You're a total retard if you think Menzel is reaching at any point in Let it Go. You don't know what reaching sounds like.

>You don't know what reaching sounds like.
Reaching sounds like saying that Broadway singers are anywhere near as good as real soul singers.

I'm pretty sure his name is Spiderus

But why does it look like a cross between Ted Cruz and an acid trip?

If you want to pretend that's what I said you go right ahead

If you think Let It Go isn't a power ballad you are objectively wrong.

>I am one with the wind and sky

Yeah, she's one with stuff she has no power over. This line existed entirely to rhyme with "Cry" in the next line.

The song has a few good lines and then is just half thought out crap to rhyme its way to the next meaningful bit

>weak ass voice
>weak ass lyrics
>no passion
>no heart
The only reason people even connect it with power is because of the pairing of the song with her building her ice castle. The song on its own has nothing that would deem it a power ballad.

Your only arguments are "You're wrong, retard", which means you have no argument other than that's what you've chosen to believe.

Just because it's a musical doesn't make it good. The thing with old disney stuff is they were GOOD musicals. The biggest difference I tend to see between the 90s stuff and say, Frozen, is lack of strong artistic direction. The songs all seem like they could have just been pulled from elsewhere, and are very off tonally with no overarching sound to them (theme). This extends to the look of the characters and environment too, there's tonal clashes all over the place. Serious political stuff with correctly proportioned human characters does not match cartoony out of left field gnomes and snowmen. At least the old Disney films made the cartoony side characters extensions of the environment and characters, and backseated them when things got heavy.

I mean, theres a reason Disney was caught flat footed by Frozen's success. They were comparing it to Brave, which strangely has a lot of similar plot elements. Mother figure with magical stuff going on. Family issues. Girl power. Brave executed on these with far greater artistic prowess than Frozen did. However Disney didn't anticipate that a blonde girl singing pop songs would be more successful than a ginger who didn't. Which really is obvious, but political correctness constantly tries to tell us otherwise.

>Posting a video that's considered torture by the Geneva Convention.

Not today, user!

Nothing wrong with it, those homos can write catchy, memorable tunes. I don't fucking understand the love for Let It Go which sounds like some generic, B-tier pop song.

Something being Broadway doesn't necessarily mean it's what one would think of as a stage musical. They're thinking more your Rodgers and Hammerstein-style show tunes.

But Adele Dazeem is such a sexy chub, i would let her sit on my face and fart on it all day while she sings "Hello from the other siiiiiiide"

worst princess

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Go_(Disney_song)
>"Let It Go" is a power ballad in the key of A-flat major overall, but begins in the relative minor (F minor)

Disney needs to go full on operatic.

It's ok, user, you don't understand how musical genres or arrangements work and your ear for a tune is probably shit.

You'll be fine as long as you don't spout your uneducated opinions in public.

mmmm the production values of dat sequel. Feels bad mang.