Alternative to democracy

What is a good alternative to democracy? And even if a better political system exists, how would you implement it in the 21st century?

And don't just say fascism, national-socialism... give some examples on why it would work

State Capitalism.

When arguing "what should be done" the first step is to consult one's moral principles. I believe "humans can own stuff" and "aggression can't be accepted" are true (because their negations are inconsistent), and therefore nobody shouldn't have the power to rule over others.

>implying democracy works
What we need is Meritocracy.
Basicly putting state above all else. Why will it work? Because of national pride.
Imagine 30% of industy nationalised by the state, giving a lot of jobs to people and helping national economy, other 70% of industry controled by the private companies of that nationality. Those CEO putting their greed aside in order to help people and country..
There would be social welfare, but only to the primary citisens, and immigrants would recive rezidency and willl have to work, pass tests or marry and accept values of host nation.
tl;dr National Socialism.

I somewhat agree. But who's to say that successful people aren't corrupt and aren't going to abuse power? Since the government controls every aspect of the country, the people in the government control every aspect in the country. Since there is no control over the government, it is almost inevitable that the country will become a dictatorship - power corrupts.

And also, there is close to no way that this will happen in today's world. Simply too many people with their own interests who will cut your attempt down in the beginning.

That's why (((elite))) hated Hitler.
And we need man like Hitler, or Musolini.
Todays problem is that everyone holds liberal views to some extent so it's hard to imagine people supporting national socialism, even to less extent elite. It is possible, but creating such state puts you in the war with the bankers, who you denied profit.

I think you have to put a lot of focus on the upper class of people, so that they learn to serve their country and very few best of them lead the country.

Muh GDP and shit doesn't matter as long as it's not Africa tier, what has always mattered is the people of a land, and the state. The education must be the highest priority of the state, and no corruption or worsening of it should ever creep in. No massive changes of it either. The best of the best shall be selected to be in a upper tier of social class, and then these people should be tested for yesrs to comd if they are well balanced in the mind to rule.

>hire ibm/google/microsoft/apple to develop an ai that can run a country perfectly

>replace all humans in power with it

>enjoy utopia

>(((google)))
>(((microsoft)))
>(((apple))))

well just ibm then

but you still need google for the mass-surveillance capabilities that would allow it to mine data on humanity

This. Mixed with whatever they had in Starship Troopers. A civic meritocracy I suppose.

>falling for the socialism meme

google I understand, but what about Microsoft and Apple?

System Purge. make Mankind extinct.

no more degeneracy. let the world left behind fix it. let Earth turn into a Garden. a simpler purpose.

a good alternative to democracy is a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority can't be trampled by a bunch of foolish voters in the majority. The constitution of such a country would be the means not only by which the government was formed but also the thing that would limit the government's ability to suppress the rights of the minority.... Nah...Nevermind...It would never work.

>He doesn't understand that capitalism leads to decadency
It's not the money you should be after, but a tradicion, pride and culture.
People need to be united in something that connects them, thats where capitalism and communism fail.

constitutional monarchy
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True democracy. No representatives, instead Vote individually on each issue. Not hard with technology now adays. Problems would be keeping out interests from modifying the data.

you can shape a national identity into being with the correct use of propaganda and shaping your mass media

>everybody's vote counts the same
>universal suffrage

tyranny of populism

Fascism will probably be implemented in Europe as a result of a coming conflict. As a government system it does a lot to mobilize a nation for war.

>ot hard with technology now adays
You mean not hard to defraud

I don't know honestly, I've just seen some Jewish tier shit from them over the last few months, ibm I've never heard anything tlike that.

This. Anything else would just end up in a dictatorship

Demarchy

? What difference is it right now...

See my second point about the interests. If that could be kept in check would be a 'perfect' system.

National-socialism isn't an alternative to government. It's like saying "give me an alternative to cars, but don't give me a volkswagen"

Monarchism, because everything else is fucking shit.

Military service for citizenship.

Anarcho-capitalism is objectively the best system, followed by libertarianism if you absolutely must have a state.

Me as the god king, else you are fucked.

(297-298) “‘For the rest of his life he spends as much money, time and trouble on the unnecessary desires as on the necessary. If he’s lucky and doesn’t get carried to extremes, the tumult will subside as he gets older, some of the exiles will be received back, and the invaders won’t have it all their own way. He’ll establish a kind of equality of pleasures, and will give the pleasure of the moment its turn of complete control till it is satisfied, and then move on to another, so that none is underprivileged and all have their fair share of encouragement.’ ‘That’s true.’ ‘If anyone tells him that some pleasures, because they spring from good desires, are to be encouraged and approved, and others, springing from evil desires, to be disciplined and repressed, he won’t listen or open his citadel’s doors to the truth, but shakes his head and says all pleasures are equal and should have equal rights.’ ‘Yes, that’s just how he feels and just what he does.’ ‘In fact,’ I said, ‘he lives from day to day, indulging the pleasure of the moment. One day it’s wine, women and song, the next water to drink and a strict diet’... ‘There’s no order or restraint in his life, and he reckons his way of living is pleasant, free and happy, and sticks to it through thick and thin.’...[this way of life is envied by many and contains many different patterns of life and constitutions]”

Inclined to agree with this. Public opinion can sway very quickly and I think the current liberal narrative was acceptable during the prosperity years of the 90's and 2000's but too much has changed and the zeitgeist has made a sharp turn right, not just because of domestic effects of liberalism, but because of the dangers abroad that have made its way onto our streets.

A lot of lefties haven't really figured out how much the zeitgeist has swung because they live in echo chambers. It's why our left was oblivious to Brexit.

I think following that momentum, Trump will win. But Hillary might just be enough to convince people to stick with the status quo as not many people seem to be aware of/care about her plans to increase refugees.

In Europe though the right wing makes great strides. People have seen the threat of Islam and Europe is in greater danger than America. In order to preserve what is precious about Europe, strength is now needed to fight back this bullshit. It was necessary with communism and it's necessary now with Islam.

>What difference is it right now...

in the west, "democracy" is buffered by representatives who hopefully know to ignore their constituents when it matters

Addendum : if you have kids, upto 2 of them need to have done service for you to retain citizenship.

Raise them right, or lose your ability to vote (local politics too, to add sting).

Minarchist Constitutionally limited Confederal Republic with strictly limited voting requirements for citizens.

No universal suffrage.

Yeah, how about connect people with some REAL instead of artificial shit like religion and nationalism?

Real things like common interests and character and stuff.

Nationalism is literally the retard of unification methods, it causes a shitton of conflict for no real profit, it makes worthless losers feel they have value and divides people in a fake sense.

It doesnt matter if your neighbor is white nice guy, that doesnt make him trustworthy cuz he is in the same nation, what matters is his thoughts and feelings, only after you know those one can be trusted.

If you trust someone simply based on nationality then you are a retard

Artificial Intelligent Autocracy

Terminator can become real that way

That's still democracy senpai

Some form of meritocracy, but everyone has the opportunity to ascend.

Responsibility.
tl;dr right now:
Solve the problem of people being irresponsible little apes and you solve basically everything.

Imagine every single person is given a suitcase nuke right now, that has a big red button centered on one of its largest surfaces.

How many mentally ill people will immediately press the big red button, because BIG RED BUTTON?
How many people will stand that suitcase up against a wall or on its side or on some elevated or unstable surface, only to knock it over and activate it?
How many people will intentionally press that button because they want to commit suicide or mass murder?

The individual who is *responsible* won't just attempt to avoid the button being pressed, they'll actively seek a way to prevent the button from being pressed in the first place.
Immobilizing or removing the button or securing some protective cover or finding someone who can take it all apart and dispose of it properly.

You have people who are responsible individuals, you can get away with almost any kind of political system and not have shit self-destruct, unless the system itself is inherently self-destructive... But you see even then, *responsible* people would abandon that shit.

Why does your state exist again my friend?
Why are you not part of Turkey? Is it because your grandfathers thought Nationalism was a good thing?
Sadly because you cannot join Otomans, you can join EU in political union.
Se how that works out, it's not like it was tried before.
I mean Yugoslavia, USSR, Otoman Empire, Hasburg Empire they did not fall to artificial shit now did they?

United in their motivation to pursue profit under capitalism. Culture, traditions, and standards will develop. Pride in raising the value in land and company. Producing a product that people want. Limited government or full on anarcho-capitilism is the only way to bring us to the stars.

Not if you are full of niggers, muslims and other unassimilatable shit who would cry racism if you don't pander to them, and believe me they give good votes just like whites and asians.

Republic.

Or because people didnt profit from joining religious retards, though they were religious retards themselves.

Ho about you start thinking using the 21st century instead of the past btw? People were pretty shit back then and i have no interest in ever living in such a fake society that unironically hates others because muh stupid nationalism.

Nationalism is cancer because of the reasons i said, and it should be extinguished from this earth as well as all the other major artificial unification things like religion so people can finally be free to do and be what they are.

Only SKILL and ability should matter, nothing else.

Shitters go to shit, nobody should expect shitters to be supported by le nationalism.

Only people who should get support are the ones you are emotionally attached to, not strangers.

Unfortunately this is a bad idea. Why do you think companies are run by CEOs and not by the board of directors (or even worse by the workers) who could vote on everything?

There is a lot of interplay between issues and all decisions together make up a bigger picture. You need to be able to implement real strategies. When you choose some random strategy that consists of decisions that are made by the majority vote it will leave everybody worse off.

If you did not post that pic, i would not have got that you are bait.
8/10 for effort almost fell in trap.

Benevolent dictatorship with Trump being the dictator

>pursue of profit
I completely agree that, pursue of mutual profit is one of the most truthful and real unification methods.

The relation exist as long as there is profit from both sides, there is not much emotional or mental manipulation involved like the other methods like nationalism or religion that literally panders to emotion and retardation.

This guy gets it.

Lol it's worked out so well. Corporate hands control everything and the middle East destroyed because of greed.

Disagree, when the decisions are based on making money, then yes a CEO is required. When it's focused on progress and innovation, groups are better. I would to abolish money all together, that would solve most of the world's problems right off the bat. Sounds crazy, but money is driving all of the world's problems, it's always about the money.

oligarchy comprised of elder council, and lesser council.

worked inside a meritocracy.

This system would be shit and ruin itself in a decade. Everyone would vote for free shit and low taxes, and with no way to pay for anything the state will go bankrupt. People are greedy and their greed will override almost any desire for mutual fiduciary responsibility.

That said, most current systems of representation are crap and based on a world that could never even imagine something like the internet existing. Personally I think party systems are shit and do nothing these days but breed partisanship and fighting. I think maybe we should be able to vote for individual cabinet members, where the winner takes that spot and the next two or three runners-up become their shadow cabinet/opposition.

Whatever, reforming democracy won't happen until after a major happening. Maybe Trump is that happening.

If the government is able to be limited enough there isn't much to vote on and funds aren't great enough to pursue anything too broad.

Republics are preferable to Democracies

Representation by lottery. Anyone over 21 with no major crimes and in good health must register and if called, serve for two years and return to private with a petition process to vote any one of them out. Every four years, MPs from the previous two terms may stand for election to the executive.

Correct, but if niggers elect candidate who give them gibs me dat, everything falls apart because of goverment involvment in the economy, and leads to interventionism instead of lazies faire, which is necessery for anacho capitalist society.

A constitutional monarchy seems to work pretty well, as the United Kingdom proves. The monarch is in charge of the executive and representing the state, while laws are made by representatives of the people and appointments of the monarch.

There's a civilization tournament, and whoever wins gets to be king for 10 years

I like the set up for the Star Empire of Manticore in the Honorverse series.

1. Unelected Monarchy constrained by Constitutional provisions. Cannot overrule Parliament, but has the power to appoint people to nobility, has final command over the military and can refuse to implement parliaments budget.

2. Parliament has two co-equal houses. A house of commons voted for by all citizens who have voter franchise, and an unelected house of Lords staffed by nobles who receive title by primogenitor, or appointment by the crown. The Prime Minister is appointed by a majority vote of both houses, but has to be a Lord or Lady. Laws must pass both houses, and neither house can overrule the other.

3. Voter Franchise is only granted to people who pay more in taxation then they receive in subsidies and welfare. The Empire has a robust social welfare program, but if you avail yourself of it, you cannot vote.

4. This set up is extended to local politics in the various regions of the Empire (The old Star Kingdom, the former Silesian Confederacy etc). Each local area has its own Parliament and Prime Minister, overseen by a Governor General appointed by the Monarchy.

I like this idea for our Senate. Not sure i'd trust any old idiot off the street to design government policy, but as a check on government policy? Hell yeah.

direct democracy desu

In all honesty famalams what the US has now would be perfect if we just had some kind of intelligence requirements to vote.

>no more rigged ass bullshit electoral college, everything is a straight up popular vote across the entire country
>to vote you have to have a government issued voter number similar to an ssi, alternatively your ssi just gets flagged or whatever if you're ok to vote
>to be able to vote you have to have a registered score of at least 95 on a government issued iq test
>in addition, every major election before voting there's a short 5 question quiz on the policies of each candidate, just to make sure you actually know what you're voting for

Added bonus:
>any kind of government assistance requires weekly drug tests and some kind of documented proof that you're looking for work if able to work
>having children requires a liscense, you get a liscense based on passing a child raising class and have a child limit based on income, children born outside of the rule are taken by the government and the parents are sterilized

>Mexican intellectual watches Ex Machina and believes it can be done
Subtle kek

If only it were just blacks, that'd be cheap in comparison. Military contractors are the United State's biggest welfare recipient. That certainly doesn't diminish under natsoc.

Correct, but the economy in Nationalist Socialis country... you know... works a litle diferent. Currency is not based on gold, but on productivity on a citizen, it is protected from inflation ass long as unemployment is low. It's complicated, but that's the way hitler saved his nation from the hyperinflation. Also that was the reason Bankers hated him, he denied them of their profit.

The most important thing to trustworthiness is loyalty. I don't care what you think and feel, if you don't betray your nation it's all good. In nationalism everyone is expected to be loyal to the nation first and foremost (ask not what your country can do for you). This creates good neighbours.

No other system is able to do that. There are many systems which can do the opposite though :

- religion, especially sociopolitical ones like Judaism and Islam
- masonry
- gypsy law

Which is why every nation should cast out jews, mudslimes, masons and gypsies. So you can have neighbours you can trust.

s>Not sure i'd trust any old idiot off the street to design government policy
You'd get a cross-section of society rather than the venal, corrupt and incompetent dickheads we've got now -- with an unlucky draw it could weighted toward arseholes for sure, hence the no-confidence provision.

>trustworthiness is loyalty
And emotional concept.

You have no idea who is loyal, you have no idea what they think or feel, you have no idea if they like you or they would backstab you if they profited in some way.

Only a retard would trust a person they didnt know based on something as unstable as "loyalty to a country"
Which of course, causes conflicts with other retards who do the same for their country.


>In nationalism everyone is expected to be loyal to the nation first and foremost
Sounds like a shitty dream for losers who arent capable and know they will never get power on their own and need le "country" to help them.

I much prefer a system where the smart and skilled succeed and are rewarded, not emotional losers.

A place where you dont put you and the people you care about first, is by default, a shitty place.

I think authorative leadership is the best way, keep the decision making to the elite and experts yet leave the power to people. be transperent and have a good communication with your people, make education top priority.
the people should be able to still vote on most important decisions like leavin EU or not, and if make referrendums for overthrowing the elite, and if it happens, there would be no compensations or benefits but their throats slit in the fucking pig farm.

Actually the general public is not greedy,most are in the same boat, while the elites spend billions on crap military, fiscal, and other policies. I wouldn't be surprised if this system abolished currency and purely focused on producing green resources to feed, house and expand society. Which is 100% possible without corporate hands keeping the system rigged against anyone who wants to benefit society.

> And emotional concept.

So? We are emotional beings.

Nationalism is a self fulfilling prophecy, it trains people to have similar loyalties and thus be trustworthy to each other. As for those who refuse, well nationalism has a solution for that too.

> I much prefer a system where the smart and skilled succeed and are rewarded, not emotional losers.

That's only ever going to give you nice neighbours if you're rich.

> A place where you dont put you and the people you care about first, is by default, a shitty place.

I guess you are one of the people who will have to be taken care of when the Greek nation is rebuild.

Islam

Benevolent dictatorship.

n a t i o n a l
s o c i a l i s m

The reason why is because Globalism concentrates the power in the hands of the wealthy elite, and with the use of free trade agreements allows them to manage the entire world as if it was one big Communism.

An organization MUST be created ABOVE the level of Finance which has absolute power to limit, reign in, and enforce their compliance with the Public Good.

They have demonstrated over the last 300 years that they cant police themselves, so Business, Finance must be

Because Commerce must be a Service to the Public Good rather than individuals being servants to the corporation.

What that means and the reasons why it works are because:


The Goal of life isnt about accumulating wealth but accumulating Strength. Whether that strength is in creativity, knowledge, refinement, or might.

Wealth and to a limited extend resources are only a means to that and they always have limited benefits. So it does not equal Strength.

The first thing any truly nationalist regime would do is ban access to Sup Forums. It self fulfills secret police forces and invasions of privacy to ensure the population is in line.

Monarchy, and how would I implement it? By force.

Some kind of cooperative currency/lending system is the way to go, imo.

>So? We are emotional beings.
>huur duur we are emotions, we shouldnt advance and control our self destructive nature
No, stop shitting up the world with your emotions.

If you want to feel pride in something stupid then feel pride for the horde or some other game universe and murder the alliance cis scum

Not logical, it shouldnt be let loose on the real world.

A truly nationalism regime would ban all access to the internet because it is a tool of globalization where people realize how stupid nationalism is and meet people from other places and realize they might have more in common with a guy across the world that is le "enemy" country than the people around him.

Islam

One Party state as opposed to a two party/direct vote system.

Organic/authoritarian/meritocratic democracy united with this.

The best of the best are the leaders, these then select the new leaders and party members.

Only the highest among the party may vote on anything.

This elitist system is far more pragmatic and far more efficient.

If not this system, let us do a more roman style democracy in which only elderly, educated and wealthy land/business owners may vote.

Nah, just block the https version ...

>Implying meritocracy is the same as National Socialism

Say you abolish money. (Not sure if its a good or bad as I don't really understand the construct)
There will still be some measurement that indicates how well your country is doing. If you want to maximize that measure you can not simply pick random policies. You still need to have a real strategy.

I grant you that small groups probably do better than individuals. If the communication is good and people have their individual expertise you can still have coherent strategies.

Should the majority be in charge of innovation?
>“If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” (Henry Ford)
>"It's really hard to design products by focus groups. A lot of times, people don't know what they want until you show it to them.” (Steve Jobs)

Conflict is unavoidable.

Autocracy with socialism/communism as economic system.

Anyone saying capitalism is either a jew or brainwashed american.

It is the only way.

Meritocracy and state ownership of things don't go together.

Socialism never worked , when will you idiots understand it ? Nazi germany was swimming in debt in 1939, that's why they started the war.

Starship Troopers Style Democracy.
Everybody has to serve in the military for a set amount of time. Those unwilling to fight for democracy if need be aren't worthy of using it.

God

Whatever system that only allows people that have a stake in the country to vote. Eligible voters must be:

>Citizen
>Taxpayer
>Have at least 4 years of military or community service

Everyone would be free to focus on what they want. Follow your dreams, instead of the money. Imagine the innovative products, which could actually benefit society, we have missed out on because intelligent people focus on money making jobs instead. In my utopia, I would imagine a no currency world, where everyone focuses on producing resources and products to better the world. Like better hydroponic growing indoors, or better biofuel, or GMO/pesticides free food. Spread this across the world, so each country can prosper, while focusing on space travel. There is no reason we can't have a moon colony already, and focusing on terraformed Mars.

>So lets add more to it to make losers feel better xDdD

>Implying it was not.

> No, stop shitting up the world with your emotions.

It's the only alternative to kike's ruling over a world of shitskins. There is no other system capable of opposing them.

what is that, can i have to link to reading?

A republic you fucking shill

Capitalism.

You are saying that few best people of the nation cannot make a certain part of industry a national possesion, while they and other private companies held rest of the industry.

Socialism never worked? Then how come scandinavian countries are not fucking super broke like your ass?