ATATURK THREAD

Just curious what people here think about Ataturk, please don't troll. Any and all opinions are welcome.

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Well, he had good intentions, that's for sure.

A real visionary. Rebuilt from the Ottoman ruins.

Let them come, I couldn't care less. They can waste their time.

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I at least like him. Turks today are far less religious butthurts than Arabs and shit.

he wuz a good boy

din du nuffin wrong

So, the general consensus seems that most people at the very least think his intentions were good. However, I would also appreciate your opinions on the current situation on Turkey.

what are the main differences between Gulenism and Kemalism?

erdogan making himself judge, jury and executioner. If you like him, good. If not, you're fucked. simple situation

Modern Turkey peaked early with this guy. It's been all downhill since then.

He set the blueprint to make Turkey great. And they were on a good way and already achieved al ot, in fact outperformed all other middle eastern nations by excluding Islam.
It's sad what happens to Turkey right now, they will become another Islamist shithole under Erdogan, mark my words. I do not get how Turks nearly unisone around the world falls for this retard.
Say goodbye to democracy, secularism, tourism, economy and your military as protector state, say welcome to Islamism and pseudo Ottoman Empire revival.

ataturk is a jewish homosexual english agent.

atatürk fought against imperialist powers, decreased the influence of islam on turkish people
gülen works for imperialist powers, increasing the islamic influence on turkish people

My understanding is that Gulenism is "moderate islamism" while kemalism is for secularism in the same way Ataturk was

Atatürk's Turkey was a respectable one. The direction Turkey is heading now, I wouldn't care if they got nuked desu.

Gulenism is mostly about supporting the ideals of Gulen as far as I know, Kemalism is about supporting the ideals of Ataturk.

erdogan is just dirt compared to him.

Wasn't he Albanian tho?

A good man Ataturk was and he left Turkey in a good state. I am sad to see Turkey in such a state now though.

yunus.hacettepe.edu.tr/~sadi/dizeler/hitabe2.html It's kind of funny how he very accurately guessed this would happen, no?

He was Sup Forums before Sup Forums

what does this say? it was on the ataturk cup i got

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As far as I remember, it was Turkish soil when he was born. However, it was conquered during the war.

it's not written in turkish

This is Russian. Can a Russian user translate this?

it's not russian

Sadly, Islam outlived his ideals.

kek it's poorly translated, fucked up grammar

It's in broken Turkish, but I will try to translate it.
If I had to make a choice between Kemalism and anarchy, I would choose Kemalism.

It's like an unheard prophetic distress call by a wise man and true patriot. Sad noone hears it anymore, I cannot imagine any scenario right now how the downfall can be averted tbqh.

he was a genious, ottoman empire was lucky to have him born in them

okay, thanks

whose words is this?

Ataturk, I assume

Not really, It's hanged literally everywhere. Clasrooms, offices etc. But it's mostly seen as 'normal' to be hanged there and it goes by mostly unread.

kemal atatürk would choose kemalism? i don't think he was this much of an egoist

I only know the basics, but seemed like a great guy and accomplished something really important. Shame his changes are being eroded away.

30 000 roaches will fuck up cologne tomorrow, they're doing a por tayyup demo. I'm dying inside just thinking about it, those shits waiving their flags on german soil, supporting "their" president who's remote controlling them. turks know no shame and have no dignitiy whatsoever.

A good ruler but the rest of his legacy will soon be totally ruined because you are going full snackbar

party from thr roof above and thrown down urine ballons

>Sad noone hears it anymore
fortunately we're not that cucked we all learn it in elementary school
it still amazes me how a man can be this smart and forward-looking

I see red when I think about those god damn people. Ataturk worked so hard to bring secularity, and it's just gone in 12 years because of people like this.

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He was a white Aryan man with blonde hair and blue eyes who culturecucked a race of mongrels into giving up their religion and shitculture.

if he was still alive turkey wouldn't get blamed for every single terrorism act in europe even though the perpetrators are all syrian, iraqi, iranian or some shit

I think its fucked up how you guys developed 100% clean energy to power your whole country by strapping magnets to Ataturk's body and wrapping his tomb in copper wire.

Your country is a democracy. If a certain percentage of people are islamist/islamist sympathizing/culturally muslim, they can't just be shut out of the democracy. That will make them a much bigger threat than they are

Of course, that's for certain. They too are entitled to their own political views. But still, their view angers me and there's nothing I can do about that. Their and my view will be different.

Why Kemalists (CHP if I am correct) are not as popular as erdogan's party?

We disliked you less when you were Ataturk's Turkey you were fine. Now with erdoshit weeeeell ... you know

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why are alevis the better turks? alle the turks you could call based are alevis. imo sunnis should be purged globally and replaced with alevis, maybe then humanity has a chance

never heard of him, was he somebody important, like the first turkish astronaut or something? i seem to recall an airport or something named after the guy

Based roach, If only we could ressurect him so he could overthrow Erdoshit's regime

Yes, you are correct it's CHP. I honestly don't know, but Erdogan is pretty charismatic to the people here, and he has made lots of promises (which most have gone unfilled) and is mostly Islamic, and the majority is Islamic so people follow him. Plus there is propaganda of CHP being the source of most problems and CHP being Anti-Islam. Turning mosques into stables etc. Plus Erdogan made some roads etc. Though 'he made roads' is pretty much a meme here.

Mostly because Alevis are discriminated against, so they know what's it like to be discriminated. Plus, they are more secular. I could be wrong so feel free to correct me.

Maybe the cites are omnipresent, it is still unheard or the ones who might hear it are jailed and the ones who would speak up to won't do because they will be jailed too, there is no opposition any more.
Set aside how mighty Gulen movement is, it doesn't matter if it was a poorly attempted coup and Erdogan exploited it or if it was set up by him. Fact is the imprisonment of judges, teachers, military personal etc. was planned FOR MONTHS and he is now ruling per decree, basically autonomic and dictatorial.
But the thing Turks should be worried the most about is how the "counter-movement" was set up: he told the people to go on the streets and (((protect the democracy))), but Imams around the country were using their power politically and calling to resist.
There is no division of powers any more, there is only Erdogan and he is semi-intelligent and an Islamist shill.

Probably some bait but he's the founder of the Turkish Republic. AKA the man who saved Turkey and made it much more secular. Sadly that secularism is fading today.

Australia and New Zealand still have a holiday to commemorate getting their shit pushed in in the engagement where Attaturk was a front line officer.

Turkey is either number one or at least a contender for the least fucked up muslim country. Next runner up is maybe Indonesia?

I think the MOST important thing he did was deal with how dangerous the infighting between the various religious leaders was, without making himself too indebted to one sect or another.

He set up a framework where he could unite the warring motherfuckers that he could work with there into a stable, secular state.

And for the fuckers who he couldn't work with, enough of a modern millitary to fix that with high explosives.

Edrogan is of course aware of the history of he Turkish secular millitary slapping the shit of presidents who overstep their bounds. I don't know if he has a vision for turkey beyond being a dictator though.

>what are the main differences between eating pasta and car ?

First and last hope of the Turks to be a modern, European country: in the good way. Gone forever.

Indeed, religion was exploited that day to make people come to the streets. Was that a test by Erdogan, or just a poorly attempted coup we will likely never know. And you are right about people being jailed too. Most people supporting the opposition are being fired from government works.

uneducated people fell for "strong leader" meme
that's why erdoğan is popular

Of course, I believe the coup is staged though. And Erdogan is too power mad. If he goes on that way, military will really slap the shit out of him. This coup was not similar to the past ones. In the past ones it was done at midnight/early morning, communication was cut and people going out were shot.

Or it could be a 'warning' from the military to not overstep his bounds as he became much more Islamic recently.

If anyone has any questions or things they wish to discuss, please feel free to ask. I may be biased, but there is another poster here and I'm probably not as biased as western media.

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In Europe (and especially in France) Erdogan seems to be totally inbred and doing constantly stupid things that will harm either himself or Turkey. For instance he managed to destroy every friendship he had with every other natios on Earth because of his stupid diplomacy.

Honestly, his popularity is a complete mystery here, and it seems it is kind of too for you.
CHP draged your country from a shithole into a modern nation (and the most modern muslim nation) in just a few decades, I honestly don't understand how it would be the source of all your problems.

BTW what is the problem with the gulenist? Never heard about them before the putsch

Erdogan is not that popular in Turkey even Gulen is more popular than him

For being a "strong leader" meme, your president is a fucking huge one

I don't know much Turkmate.
Just that he wanted Turkey to be a secular nation and introduced Roman alphabet for your language.
I'm probably wrong about that.

I'm ex Royal Air Force airman and was (for some of my time) stationed at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus. We had to patrol the border between the north and south of that island. There's also a British military post in Troodos Mountains. It's used to keep an ear out for any shit that's happening in the Middle East and your country.
No offence, mate. But Turkey seems volatile just now. Shooting down a Russian plane and all the stuff with Erdogan. He's a lunatic and your country wishes to join the EU? As my country will leave that corrupt mess.

Pic is where I was stationed. It's British clay.
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akrotiri_and_Dhekelia

Obviously any Turkish figure attracts contrary opinions because of the Turk-Greek-Kurd-Armenian dynamics.

I believe that Ataturk and his aides prevented a genocide of the Turkish population.

He was one of the last Enlightenment minds. It's significant that he died before WW2. He was influenced by the age of reason.

No political system is perfect but strong secular nation states are the best we can have.

Gulen and Erdogan were buddies, their relationship got strained, Gulen released Erdogan corruption tapes, Gulen became a public enemy.

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So it is basically the same shit except that erdogan has the power while gulen is hiding in the USA ?

Fuck you, Turk!

It seems that way too, and most people here don't even want to join the EU, they just want to stay that Islamic. I mean they would welcome joining the EU but it's not in high priority. Also, Turkey is indeed volatile, purges etc. It's very dangerous and could explode any moment.

What was Turkey stance during WW2? Were they neutral?

Yes they were.

>Were they neutral?
They declared War on us.
Fucking Turks!

This is why I don't belive Turkey will get rid of him the next 20 years, I just don't get how Turks, especially abroad, do not see this. I have Turks at work and they are fans of him, they unironically think Gulen is the most evil person and mastermind and Erdogan is protecting Turkey from him

damn Ataturk has his own brand of cigarettes?
sheiit

I believe that too, some people talk shit about him because of ending the war, but if war went on, there would be a massive genocide. Lots of people died on that war, but we gained freedom, and that was the most important thing. And we even managed to finish the war without our country being completely destroyed. This is why Ataturk is valued as a great leader here.

Bundling secularism with socialism was stupid. It just throws small business owners in the arms of Islamism.

The Islamic world needs economically liberal secularism. Islamim would die without small business supporting it.

Fair haired Turks are not uncommon.

Turkey might have a higher % of red haired people than some European states.

Yes. An alliance gone shit mostly.

Turks are stupid scum.

Even if Erdogan is gone, they remain stupid and dangerous.
Please understand that.

The Turkish people will not suddenly change if they have a different President and stuff

>he managed to destroy every friendship he had with every other natios on Earth because of his stupid diplomacy.
i don't understand how a man can be this stupid
he always manages to fuck things up
wass?
>Gulen is the most evil person and mastermind and Erdogan is protecting Turkey from him
gülen is evil, that's what seculars have been saying for decades but erdoğan is not our saviour
our military and our people are.

What does MHP stand for?

He was a atheist fachist who hated islam. So he would fit right in here. Obviously not a REAL turk, he was born in Greece and it shows.

I don't understand how your people can be so stupid, it is not like Turkey is some arabic or african country

milliyetçi hareket partisi - nationalist movement party

PLAYED LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE

What of the theory that the Gulen-CIA coup was a "dry run" for another coup.

>not a REAL turk
suck dick dumbass

>MHP
learn to google

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tsigani

Because his diplomacy consists of showing uselessly his muscles and insulting his partners in order to have some turks getting an erection on "muh very relevant, muh ottoman empire is back"

Atheist fachist? I don't think so. His religion was mostly a secret. And the place he was born was Ottoman soil at the time. Obvious bait but still worth a response.