A commonly proposed alternative to keep the west from aging...

A commonly proposed alternative to keep the west from aging, is to pay people to have kids rather than to import people from Africa and Asia.

It's either increasing child benefits or giving family loans that are paid off by having a certain amount of kids.

While I understand that it's preferable to mass immigration, is it really a good idea to pay people to have kids? Let's assume for the sake of this argument that the nation in question is homogenous, so it's not just the minorities having 8 kids for money.

What I see happening is some guy with a welding trade school degree getting 8 kids after he is done with school at age 18-21. This would be nice initially, but consider that such a person might be more at risk of raising his kids poorly and not having the best genetic stock.

1 or 2 generations later the situation might be even worse as the loan/child benefit dependent underclass might have had a huge size increase, while the upperclass and middle class grew steadily.

Of course we do need an underclass to do the shit but necessary jobs, but western nations are at their best when there is a large middle class.

tl;dr Would paying white people to have kids lead to another dysgenic system?

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Paying families to raise kids rather than subsidizing public day care is smart, cheaper and better.
Good luck convincing the fucking feminists and their enablers.

Administration won't do it.

Tests show that even the poorest, shittyest whites make better grades and create better functioning societies than the most successful blacks.

>Good luck convincing the fucking feminists and their enablers.
feminists love paid maternity leave. If you force paid maternity leave hard enough and have no sex diversity quotas in a company, companies will stop hiring women altogether.

Thats besides the point.

Not all immigrants are blacks.

On a side note. With a large white underclass, politics would be very different, politicians would focus on what gets the poor white vote, so society might become much more socialist or much more conservative, depending on what the white underclass in the country is like.

Instead of a new policy let's admit that some existing policies are enormously wrong and get rid of them.
You would not need to pay people to have kids without modern divorce, and with it, all the money in the world cannot nudge anyone past our accusation-is-guilt laws.

Not all immigrants are a problem.

>tl;dr Would paying white people to have kids lead to another dysgenic system?

It depends on who is paying for this idea you have. If it is a government run program then yes it will lead to dysgenics since the best, brightest and wealthiest would need much greater financial incentives then the less intelligent to make it more financially beneficial for them to have more kids.

If it is a voluntary non-profit or profit based organization who is doing these incentives then you have nothing to worry about because it will either work for the intended goal or the business/charity will fail and close down.

The biggest problem with government based programs is if they don't work or are counterproductive that failure doesn't lead to them ending. The only thing that leads to a government program ending is if the demographics of how benefits financially from it changes.

The only usable immigrants are pretty much other whites and arguably east-asians and sikhs the rest are all a waste of money.

What if we end up in Japans situation? Homogenous but still aging heavily? I agree on the current divorce and reproductive laws being shit, but will fixing that increase the birthrate?

How would a company derive benefits from people having kids? Here in the Netherlands during the Golden Age, orphanages were paid by companies to educate kids into becoming sailors, soldiers (armies were privatized, but were not mercenaries) and generals or admirals in some cases. I can see it work like that, but paying people to raise employees seems unethical.

yeah, for instance AFRIKAANERS. I hope to fuck that wilders wants to set up an afrikaaner resettlement program

I do too, but my fear is that niggers and coloureds in South-Africa might see a chance in pretending to be Afrikaans.

Well no. The niggers and colored are not european, and there would obviously be a vetting process to make sure it's only white people. How the fuck hasn't Sup Forums memed this into existence?

Yea but that is not the plan, the plan is to import people form different cultures on a mass scale so that American and western values are overruled by barbaric practices and traditions so that eventually the constitution will be unknown and void and laws will be for the common folk.

What is going on with these Countries is something done to get rid of traditions and cultures and in return they get a total consumer based society fueled by celebrities, false idols, material possessions, instead of family values.

the ones who have family values are those in religions, islam not included.


not really sure whats the point of importing people countries are enemies with.

Hungary started subsidizing large families years ago. Families with 3 or more kinds get big discounts: tax breaks, housing subsidies, discounted or free train and bus tickets, and so on.

Meanwhile Western Europe gives subsidies to unwed single mothers. If such women get married, they lose the subsidy, so this creates a disincentive to ever get married and have more than 2.1 kids per family. Some would say this was the evil plan all along.

Social engineering DOES work. Just look at how well the Western Euro cucks fucked up their demographics over a 40-year period.

This happens in France m8.Same

>A commonly proposed alternative to keep the west from aging, is to pay people to have kids rather than to import people from Africa and Asia.

Wasn't that the point of tax breaks for marriages?

>would obviously be a vetting process to make sure it's only white people
>only white people
There's your problem, you cant have white only things in the current constitutional framework (have fun changing a constitution, it's impossible) On top of that, coloureds have partial European ancestry, which will make people claim they have as much as a right as he whites.

You will be paying for the migrants / niggers to have children if you don't pay for the slav shits to pro-create.

Just look at America.

Are you saying that France has utterly fucked up its demographics by catering to unwed single mothers?

Or that France is finally trying to help out normal families with 3 or more kids?

(It's France, so I'll assume the worst but hope for the best.)

Do immigrants make a lot of use of the benefits and are the benefits good enough for whites to live a comfortable life?

I heard about Hungary, but it only started this year. What I want to know about is the long-term effects.

>Let's assume for the sake of this argument that the nation in question is homogenous, so it's not just the minorities having 8 kids for money.

Read the OP nerd

Well I would imagine that that constitution of yours also has a caveat for opressed people, and certainly the white south africans are oppressed compared to the coloreds. So the constitution isn't the problem if you want to meme this idea into existance by putting pressure on wilders.

Here you have to work to benefice of the aids and welfare so
>no work=very little aid for a strict strip of time.
And yes, migrants who work benefice and native families also. You have to work at least for a total of 6 months.

Robotization.

Automatization.

It would be a good thing post-industrial Europe having less people than now. There is already massive unemployment among the young in part of Europe.

Comfortable if coupled with work if
Requirements:
+3 kids
Working for some time
Less than 6000 per month income will receive more a higher sum.

Lel, the first article of our constitution says that all races are equal under the law, you cant have white only programs. Sure Afrikaners are oppressed, but that doesnt make it impossible for coloureds to claim similar oppression.

The best way would be to just incite riots against whites in South-Africa and then quickly retrieve the Afrikaners from there in an act of protection.

I am looking for, I am studying to become engineer and participate in the robotic revolution.

Maybe robotization will increase the amount of work? Luddites feared mechanization in the industrial revolution, but the amount of employment increased overall. I wouldn't attribute the current youth unemployment to robotization and automization, but to outsourcing, overeducation and a small amount of job openings being left by retired people.

yeah but that's pretty vague, and coloreds do have affirmative action because of how they were treated during apartheid, so they actually cant claim oppression

Not sure about dysgenic society. Don't believe, because the alternative is Ahmed and Fatimah and their 9 children on welfare. But this was the parliament reaction when the AfD suggested a little money for German babies: youtube.com/watch?v=-O8EQFbqu-8

Muzzies would be entitled to the same loan right? Funny how they brand that racist.

They should rebrand it as "baby aid" for "struggling women", you could play feminists like a fiddle.

I think it was about German citizens, you needed the citizenship for it. - Either way, we all know they only want to feed brown, muslim folk with stolen tax payer money, these parasites. No problem fucking the native Germans over in doing so. Since they want to use Islam as a sledgehammer to destroy our society anyway.

This is the devastating effect of women in politics.

Literally none of them could provide a counterargument other than "das rayciss".

When the ones in charge are genetically incompetent at ANYTHING they do, the result is an utterly destroyed continent.

Exactly... feminism is what will ruin us. Cunts are even more dangerous than kikes. Literal nation wreckers. Unfortunately the "put the bitch onn the pedastel" culture is deeply ingrained in European culture. Completely unthinkable to the Orient or Asia.

Government intervention always fucks everything up so yes