Well, most people here disbelieve the holohoax narrative, with good reason

well, most people here disbelieve the holohoax narrative, with good reason

what about the claims that hitler killed off the retards and cripples? any arguments for or against this?

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>muh national socialism

They definitely killed people, I know this first hand from my late grandmother, who was around 20 in world war II.

Not sure about the 6 Million though, sounds like a lot. On the other hand, many people were on amphetamines, so I bet they could work their ass off

The camp guards put down the weak and sick because they couldn't work.
Denying the holocaust can mean many things but for me it means that Jews were never gassed or killed on a massive level.

There were mass exterminations of jews and poles, but the number was skewed so the jews could pull the OY VEY SO MANY MILLIONS SHOA'D!11!

well the claim is that the NAZEEES killed retards and disabled

is there any evidence for it?

I agree with polski-brat

of course they did, they were unfit for aryan society. Often parents of disabled children, who were put in "hospitals" received letters, that their child "unfortunaltely died of typhus" etc. Unfortunately I cannot provide first hand evidence for you, I come from a healthy family

I believe they euthanized cripples and retards and I also believe it was a good thing
those people are just a burden for society, especially in a socialist state (which nazi Germany was)

I'm not objecting to it inprinciple, I just want to know if it is a valid claim, or just another slur against the krauts

5-6 million were killed, don't know why stormfags would deny this, but yes some jews exaggerated of course to get more sympathy points. doesn't mean the original figure isn't real.

wheres da brooves?

You're probably right. It probably maxes out at 6 million altogether, not 10 million like some people say

any proofs for the claim?

It is a valid claim, attached I have a document of a child, it was psychologically ill and "euthanized"
They had authorization from hitler to give people that were "terminally ill" a mercy killing. Well, they certainly thrashed out on this authorization

>don't know why stormfags would deny this
Because there's no valid evidence.

man it's 1:27 a.m. and I'm drunk as fuck
another time perhaps

I can't read it, it's in a weird language

and one example doesn't prove 5k were killed

The problem is with MUH SIX MIL of jews alone. Put together, ok, that's somewhat believable, but just jews?

Nah, can't buy it and it hasn't been proven, yet it has been disproved many times.

well bring some broofs next time

how did hitler treat gypsies?
come on cuck, talk about all the camps different markings for prisoners.

How many did the Jews kill in Russia around the same time? I want to see if the Jewfags deny it.

well learn german then anglo
it basically says that the child by the name of "Lossa Ernst" was put into hospital in 1942 due to psychological problems and euthanised in august 1944.

It is a bit hard to prove every single one of them, but they definitely did it on a regular basis

you attribute to me opinions that I do not hold

I am simply looking for proof of the claims that spazzes and retards were executed

is there proof?

>It is a bit hard to prove every single one of them, but they definitely did it on a regular basis
you give me one example, then say, well there were thousands?

surely someone has done a tudy of the proofs, is there not an authority on the subject, who can write or be translated?

Why did they wait 2 years to kill the boy? And when the war was almost ending

MUH 6000000000000000000 TRILLION

what's wrong with killing retarded and crippled babies?

I wouldn't want to live that life

how dare you belittel the numbers killed, you evil bigot!

did I say there was anything wrong wth it? orr did I ask for proof that it happened in natsoc germoney?

There is a whole article on wikipedia, unfortunately it is only available in german, italian and french.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Lossa

He was "asocial" and moved instituations a lot. why it took so long to kill him, the article does not say.

Here is "proof", 70k disabled were killed in something we call Aktion T4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

One addition to my post: It says that he was probably killed because he knew about their euthanasia plans in the hospital he was in, so he became kind of dangerous to the regime. Nobody should know

>Here is "proof", 70k disabled were killed in something we call Aktion T4
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
I'm looking for proof, how do I tell if the claims are valid or made up?

honest question

I have not been there to see it. But I have been in germany for 24 years (todays my birthday - yay) and if you know "real" german people (not the cucks) and imagine if they were on amphetamines all the time. I would definitely think they were capable of doing this

retards were mostly sterilized it seems. They weren't put down like dogs from what I can read.

research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/volkrass.htm

>I would definitely think
wow, pretty conclusive

>it seems
I need more than "seems"

the claim is used to denigrate the germans, I just want to know if they did it or not

It is the best you can get nowadays. If you do not want to believe/accept that we were "the fuckers" back in the day then just don't do it...

of course they would never write things like "yeah we killed like 60000 last month" in a magazine. Same with deaths at the front. The families always got the same letter "he was shot in the heart and died immediately". Sounds a bit better than "he was hit by a mortar shell and we had to scrape him off the floor"

>If you do not want to believe/accept that we were "the fuckers" back in the day then just don't do it...
why would I want to accept you are all bad(despite none of you even taking part in any evil acts) without proof?

There is enough proof. It cannot all be false. Trust me, I am a german, I know my people. They would definitely do it. Some at least, we have some pretty strange and twisted people here.
I will go to sleep, goodbye you all

>If you do not want to believe/accept that we were "the fuckers" back in the day then just don't do it...
why do you do it?

did you research first before you felt bad for things you didn't personally do, or did you just accept it, and the hereditary guilt?

>Trust me, I am a german, I know my people.
are you responsible for things you didn't do?

I do not feel guilt. I leave that for the cucks. I just accept that we did it. Good times, made a lot of progress in the medicine/engineering fields, even if it was at the cost of human beings.

Sweden is a source of more degeneracy than Israel.

what proof do you have?

would it convince a skeptic?

are you a gullible? why? is it just drummed into you?

I think they actually did. Hitler was horrified when he learned what was afoot and cancelled the program on 24 August 1941.

go to sleep anglo.

>think

but what proof have you seen?

I am open to arguments

stay woke kraut hammer!

youtube.com/watch?v=qPOvePioFF0

think big, fucker

and don't accept ANY guilt for anything you didn't do wrong yourself

All I can say is that I read about this years ago. I had a fairly detailed book about it at that time. I would have rather not believed it; the information was very detailed and seemed well documented. I'm a very skeptical reader, but I felt that what I was reading was based on fact.

Euthanasia as a notion was being considered all over at that time.

are you trying to convince me?

would a normal rational person be convinced by what you wrote? "oh,I rad a book years ago, so obviously it happened"

and if it did happen, are the current generation of germans responsible for things their parents did? why?

>are you trying to convince me?

No, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm only answering the question that I responded to. I don't care what you believe about anything.

The problem is that you seem to have a poor understanding how much work (analyzing historical sources) historians have to do to make their result credible.
You won't find a magical website which will contain all related documents, recordings, etc concerning T4. The wikipedia article is the closest thing that you could get that is capable of convincing you while spending minimal time.

If you want solid proof, you will have to track down the sources yourself, wikipedia sources are a good start. You are going to have to learn german to examine sources yourself, you are going to have to exchange with real historians pointing you in the right directions, you are going to deal with official agencies who are keeping historical sources in their archives.

To sum up: You would spend a considerable part of your life time proving for yourself historians agree on for decades. God speed.

well done for reading a book some time ago

unfortunately I fail to see how this implicates the current generation of germans in any wrongdoing

my OP was an innocent question, and so far I have had no nswers which would even slightly confirm the claims made against them

but you can try to convince my open mind, if you like, or give up

>If you want solid proof, you will have to track down the sources yourself, wikipedia sources are a good start. You are going to have to learn german to examine sources yourself, you are going to have to exchange with real historians pointing you in the right directions, you are going to deal with official agencies who are keeping historical sources in their archives.
aah, that sounds like appeal to authority

assuming it is true, should current germans feel guilty about things they never did?

Examining historical sources yourself is not appealing to authority. Either you're fucking retarded or you don't know the term historical source. Go look that one up.

>If you want solid proof, you will have to track down the sources yourself, wikipedia sources are a good start. You are going to have to learn german to examine sources yourself, you are going to have to exchange with real historians pointing you in the right directions, you are going to deal with official agencies who are keeping historical sources in their archives.
I just want the facts

yet you will not provide any

>try to convince my open mind, if you like, or give up

?

All I wrote was that I _think_, based on my reading, that it probably happened. I still feel that way, even after all these minutes.

>implicates the current generation of germans in any wrongdoing

Honestly, do you need any reason to implicate the krauts in anything at all. They're a thick, dour, and humourless bunch. They've come second place in two world wars now, what a shower. I do feel bad about the way that they're bullied and pushed around by you know who, but what can you do? I compare their situation to that of a mentally feeble patient, unable to fend. You'd like to see them get up and assume a proper dignified role, but Christ, they just never seem to get around to it. Such a sorry lot. Aktion T4 for them maybe?

>Examining historical sources yourself is not appealing to authority.
are the sources not considered an authority?

>Honestly, do you need any reason to implicate the krauts in anything at all.
yes

do you have one?

I just told you the process for aquiring the facts and I told you there is no magical website with all the facts.
You have to fucking work if you want the facts.

Jesus fucking christ. No. How many terms do you not know? Have you even finished school yet? And why don't you look stuff up if you're that fuzzy about its meaning?

>I just told you the process for aquiring the facts and I told you there is no magical website with all the facts.
>You have to fucking work if you want the facts.
you haven't told me shit, krautfag

there is no proof you can provide me that these things happened?

ok, well your silence speaks volumes

what a cuck

Youre such a tryhard

Don't be an imbecile, stupid anglo. Why would anyone voluntarily give you information when you haven't even researched it yourself?

Here's a guide to solving your problem:
1) Wiki Aktion T4
2) Go to References
3) Read every citation
4) ???
5) Profit
6) You're fucking welcome