Why is DC pushing Babsgirl so hard when Oracle has always been the better iteration of the character...

Why is DC pushing Babsgirl so hard when Oracle has always been the better iteration of the character? Is it just to please the tumblr crowd?

Doubt it. Tumblr was in love in Oracle as much as everyone else.

Most likely it's just another bout of DC's schizophrenic nostalgia/hatred for anything that happened in the nineties they've had going on for sometime.

Babs will always be batgirl to me fuck oracle

Your Cassfaggotry is showing.

Most of the editorial staff grew up reading comics before Killing Joke or are pure businessmen who figure "Babs is the only Batgirl who's in all the TV shows, she's the only one casuals know, she should be the one we're presenting, that'll sell better than legacy Batgirls would"

We need more nimble hot red heads in skin tight costumes, OP.

Because Oracle can't hold a solo title, unless you want to read 20 pages a month of a cripple sitting behind a computer all day talking to people.
Because Oracle was too much stuck supporting cast role.
Because, while it may have been special in 1995, super-duper information broker super hacker, today it's really not all that special. There's plenty of candidates for Oracle-like roles in the DCU today. Even Alfred does a pretty good job at it now with modern technology at his disposal.

..and how is this bad, precisely? Barbara Gordon Batgirl fans have been telling people like you for decades that her ongoing appearances as Batgirl in cartoons and such was going to have an effect on comics at some point, just like how Harley Quinn was adapted into the comics.
First they tried it with blond Barbara clone and Oracle as her mentor, but then they started the new52 and took the opportunity to bring back the iconic Batgirl.

>people like you

You seem confused. If you reread the post you're replying to, I made no judgments one way or the other about what Batgirl I prefer or whether the editors and businessmen are right or wrong.

That said, I do wonder how Barbara's book sales compare to the Cass book since the latter managed to survive for 100 issues.

Barbara's sales, up until the recent months were pretty much the same as Cassandra through most of the new52 and DcYou.

Babs has peaks and dips. Right now, just before Rebirth her sales have dipped, but that's not really her fault. the rest of the DCU has been experiencing low sales in the recent months.
The books will all get a boost again from Rebirth, specially Batgirl now that she is being taken over by a new team.

I suppose it's impossible to make a fair comparison because modern comics sales are constantly driven up by stunts and drop in the absence of stunts. "Nu52 happened, everyone's buying the #1s. The book got relaunched with a new premise, artstyle, costume, and advertising, everyone's buying. Rebirth happened, everyone's buying the #1s", etc.

Whereas Cass's book was pretty much left alone, wasn't it? I feel like it ended right about when the summer events and relaunches trend started in the mid-00's.

>Is it just to please the tumblr crowd?
Yes.
The writer is a massive tumblrite who constantly complains at how sexist it was for Babs to get crippled and how hard they tried to reconnecting it from never happening at all.

I'm pretty sure dc doesent hire that sort of person user.

Weren't both New 52 writes guys?

Check her twitter

Fucking hell why do they ruin everything

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Fuck

>Is it just to please the tumblr crowd?
No, they're pissed about this as well. They's rather have Cass as Batgirl because that's progressive.

It's Gail Simone right I will have a look

Jesus fuck does she ever fucking stop tweeting
Although to be fair she is at an event

Oops meant to quote

Birds of Prey was a team book.

Ok I think I can see a bit of sjw there but it's hard reading It through the fucking wall of crap does she always tweet constantly like this or is it just for the con

Nope, Hope Larson

If I look at just the retweets it becomes increasingly clear that yes Dc hired a social justice warrior
FUCK

I didn't read CuckStew, I won't be reading this one, no big deal, there's still Babsgirl and the Birds of Prey.

>Barbara Gordon must be Batgirl
>God forbid any of these straight white males remain the superheroes that they are

Yeah that one actually looks pretty good, the story for Batgirl actually sounded pretty dumb anyways. I'll probably pull both to see how they are though

Alright yeah I dident need to go digging anywhere near as much here the fucking persecution complex on this women is insane.

I checked the Bensons' twitters, can confirm they don't have attitude problems.

I like the artist too

How the hell does Batgirl going to Asia to train sound dumb? You must think Batman Begins sucks too than... Since you know, Bruce does the same thing there?

It's actually a way more interesting plot to start than anything from Simone's run or Burnside. This arc actually takes the character somewhere other than the 5883th TKJ reference.

WHOA...

She also owns several cats.

Wait... are we already preemptively hating on Hope Larson's run? Fucking hell, Sup Forums, keep your greasy ass autism in check.

>hating Gidget because the Hollywood values of the 60s are not the Hollywood values of the 10s
Pleb taste.

Bruce Wayne's poverty tourism is morally superior to Barbara Gordon's poverty tourism because he had dead parents and a mission, she's just trying to "find herself" like all the other directionless pampered middle class kids.

She isn't going there to train, she's going there "to find herself"

'Beyond Burnside' Chapter One: The Batgirl you know and love is going global with Eisner Award-winning and New York Times best-selling writer Hope Larson (A Wrinkle in Time, Goldie Vance) and all-star artist Rafael Albuquerque (AMERICAN VAMPIRE). In order to up her game, Babs travels to Japan on a quest to train with the most elite modern combat masters of the East. But when a chance meeting with an old friend puts a target on her back, Batgirl may need to use her new skills to solve a deadly mystery.

>In order to up her game, Babs travels to Japan on a quest to train with the most elite modern combat masters of the East.

>In order to up her game, Babs travels to Japan on a quest to train with the most elite modern combat masters of the East.

>In order to up her game, Babs travels to Japan on a quest to train with the most elite modern combat masters of the East.

Hey that sounds pretty good

birds of prey was Oracle's book

No it wasn't. Being the leader in a team doesn't mean the book was called "Oracle", otherwise Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles would just be be called Leonardo.

"I'm going to pause my academic progress and the business I just started to learn how to fight better" isn't how she explained it to her friends and comes across as extremely self-destructive, yet it isn't being written as if it were.

The team was just her and Black Canary for the first few years.

Everything comic books do is to appease Feminists

thats why Comic books are dying

>better iteration of the character
You called?

I feel bad for Luke. Not only was he a piece a furnuture during her previous run, now she just dumps the company she herself decided to start on him and fucks off.

Yeah it's not just the sjw shit even her personality screams tumblr

Although a lot of none sjw writers are like that to

Probably because the current writer likes her like that?

I don't think Batgirl was ever a straight white male.

>nobody knows the trouble and persecution of the straight white man.

You're as dumb as a fucking Magikarp. Except you're never going to evolve into Gyarados

And why is that exactly? Because male characters are more fleshed out and more interesting than female ones. Always have been, always will be.

This. It's all about legacy characters. Why do you think they tried so hard to make Clark the only Kryptonian for years? Why do you think they resurrected Hal Jordan? Shit, why do you think they brought back Barry?
It's all about legacy. DC needs to realise that it's ok for things to change if they do it for strong artistic reasons rather than gimmick. People learn to like change - look at Wally for example, or the other batgirls.

>judging a superhero for wanting to be a better superhero
Is it just because Babs is a woman user?

>it's only ok when fiction panders to me

Maybe to give new readers a new look at her back in the cowl. She'll get handicapped again I'm sure, so don't worry. Comics usually redo story lines with a twist. Maybe this time she'll be a paraplegic instead of just losing her legs. They'll hook her mind up to a computer where she'll fight cyber villains as a Batgirl 2.0 avatar.

>always will be.
prove it beyond reasonable doubt

So many fetishes for rule 34, thanks user

>better iteration
No

Bruce Wayne being Batman is frequently being depicted as self-destructive, even by Snyder. I'm getting "empowered woman, so strong, so brave" vibes from this new Batgirl direction.

They just hired the fuck that wrote this...

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>just
Bennett started at DC as one of Snyder's proteges.

And I'm getting insecure male vibes from you.

Enjoy your Mary Sues I guess.

Uh-oh user got triggered. He heard a female character was going to do her own thing and got scared poor baby.

I've stopped caring about Barbara since Nu52. I'll check out the first issue, but I'm not buying it.

>Barbra is more shellshocked by the stripping then the shooting.

Oracle may be all that, but there were other batgirls to focus on. Just like spending have to be Oracle (god fucking kill yourself) there were other characters already being natural, already more interesting as well. So let's just kill off Barbara Gordon and bask in the controversy sales like Marvel. Let's follow practicality all the way through.

>Superman fanboy complaining about female mary sues

lmao, hilarious

He wants people to think that the old Superman is alive, which is a bit dumb;

>Oracle may be all that, but there were other batgirls to focus on.

those girls didn't need to be 'batgirl'.

@83537113
Superman's not a Mary Sure. Not giving this retard a (You).

>stopped clock

This man is the walking definition of it.

>here's still Babsgirl and the Birds of Prey
It's being done by CW writers.
It's going to be shit.

of course you avoid my post
it's not like you have an argument

rey is a mary sue but the guy that always wins and is loved by everyone on the planet and is the moral guide for every other hero isn't!

lmao, kill yourself

Cassandra Cain should have been introduced as a new and unique hero ID in the 90's, instead of riding on the legacy train.

If anyone is going to argue that she would not have been as successful without Batgirl, then you're stating the obvious truth behind the bulk of her success, and not the actual popularity of the character.

Cassandra Cain, if she had been introduced as a unique hero, and DC had marketed her as a new thing, people could have judged her on her own merits.

She was OK as Batgirl though, it helped into shaping her to be Bruce's suggorate daughter, which was a pretty important part of her character like it or not. Babs could've become Batwoman if anything else and forget about Kate. I mean why should only Robin's pass on the mantle?

They use Babs because she's iconic.
She's iconic because she's the only one they use.

>the guy that always wins and is loved by everyone on the planet and is the moral guide for every other hero
Were any of this true you might have a point.

they are, maybe you should actually read comics instead of just hanging around to complain about superman not having red trunks anymore

>Is it just to please the tumblr crowd?

Who do you think it was to lose their minds when they undid her paralysis? They might be *seeking* that audience, but they got off on the wrong foot by undoing a part of her character they found inspirational and meaningful.

What it really comes down to is they want to sell Batgirl comics to people who weren't reading comics for the last thirty years. They don't want to confuse (and thus potentially put off) people whose familiarity with Batgirl comes from B:TAS or The Batman (she was also in BatB, but only, like, twice).

I was surprised DC let Beware the Batman get away with teen Oracle instead of making her Batgirl outright.

Yeah, and the fact that she's the first in the Batgirl legacy, or the fact that she's Jim Gordon's daughter has nothing to do with it.

...and shut up. Betty Kane isn't a true part of the legacy. She's a precursor to the legacy, and hasn't been the chronological first since COIE.

Then why didn't they just push Stephanie or Cass in those cartoons? Marvel's been pushing modern versions of character simultaneously and it's working fine for them. Why is DC in general run by nostalgiafags?

Cass wouldn't have made sense in The Batman, she's too dark. Cluemaster was also significantly overweight and living with his mother, he wouldn't have a kid.

As near as I can tell, it's because someone in power hates John Ostrander.

She is the one who is the most well-known as Batgirl to the general public. Cass and Steph are complete unknowns to most people outside of comics. If they were used in other media with the same frequency as Babs Batgirl, then maybe they'd still be around. But that won't happen anytime soon because the focus is on Babs.

Same deal with Robin; most of the time its Dick Grayson. Difference being he gets used enough in shows that he sometimes becomes Nightwing leaving a spot for Jason or Tim to be used.

Because merchandise of a girl version of Batman sells better than merchandise of a cripple in a wheelchair.

Any other reason is an excuse that Sup Forums uses to desperately try to convince themselves that creative decisions in capeshit aren't largely driven by executives that are only concerned with the bottom line.

So when Perry fired Clark after he found out he was Superman doesn't count?
Or when the whole world found Supes secret identity and broke into his place trashed it and wrote"alien go home" doesn't count either?
Or how Amanda Waller had a whole secret compound of kryptonite weaponry?
What about Lex Luthor he doesn't count?
Jim Gordons Bats didn't trust him and wanted him to leave Gotham.
Pr how pretty much the whole world turned against him when they discovered he lost his powers?
Go fuck yourself and read comics

those things didn't happen to the real Superman

Because red haired Batgirl is iconic and Barbara id going to be in the movies.

And you'd be stupid if you think half the words out of movie Barbara's mouth aren't going to be REMEMBER WHEN I WAS BATGIRL??

Bratgirl=Worse
The Huntress=Best

Waller having an underground laird full of Kryptonite did

You realize that being a Cass/Batgirl fan now counts more as "nostalgiafag" than Barbara/Batgirl, right?

I mean this sort of disgruntled jealous whining sorta made sense when Cass actually was Batgirl, and the cartoons all featured Babs again and again, but things changed since then.
You really can't call Babsgirl fans "nostalgiafags" anymore, when she's the one wearing the cowl and CassBatgirl ended 7 years ago.

You stupid fuck those are exceptions created for drama. Do you think mary sue means LITERALLY everyone likes the person? Are you that fucking dense you need this actually explained to you?
Superman is presented as generally beloved by all humanity...yeah his fucking enemies don't count shitbird. Their purpose in the narrative is to hate the hero.

What's Joker going to do to her?

What hell happened with Cassandra Cain? Its like DC erased the character completely.

I smell forced movie synergy. Except their movies have been failing like fuck.

She almost made it along with Damian in one cartoon pitch (No Man's Land with them, Dick, and Selina as supporting members for Bruce), but WB instead went with Beware the Batman instead.

She had just been reintroduced in Batman & Robin Eternal. She's a blank slate again character-wise (all her character stuff was with Harper Row). But she's ending up in Detective Comics with Tim and Stephanie.