How does Sup Forums think the world would have been if the South won?

How does Sup Forums think the world would have been if the South won?

Dixie supporters, why do you support the C.S.A.?

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It's home. It should be a separate country away from the control of people who abuse it for monetary and political gain.

You Damn skippy

Do you support state rights and small government?
Do you support slavery or not?

>Do you support state rights and small government?

Of course. Decentralization allows for much better representation, more valid decision making, less gridlock, and more dynamic ability to change. Centralization IMO should really only be for national interests, such as highways, military and international trade.

>slavery

are you memeing me

I know that the Civil War was about states rights and nullification, but since many people believe that the Civil War was fought over slavery, I thought I'd ask a true Confederate for his feelings.

I'll take the slavery for a no.

Better

lincoln wouldnt be reelected, mcclellan probably wouldve. he'd help southern states friendly to him.
southern states would break up when jefferson davis was up for reelection. one of the famous generals wouldve probably competed and won but davis wouldve done everything he could to stop them.
states would pick sides and eventually split into many competing nations. england would play kingmaker since the southern states needed to sell them cotton
the new trans miss territories would seek to reunite with the industrialized north. mexico would be much stronger and probably push northwards with the help of the usa. blacks would continue to escape north, north would be more progressive as a result. other countries would eventually be embarassed of souths slavery and put financial pressure on them.

theyd collapse and need northern assistance, which would come with harsh terms.

states rights to keep slaves

Slavery was wrong, and I think most people thought of it at least as a grey area. It became an emotional thing because the federal government was using it against the South, and the South was being reactionary about it. There's also the unfortunate modern view of slavery as a brutal and horrific subjugation, where the reality is that most slave owners believed they had a christian duty to treat their slaves decently.

Not defending the practice, just saying that the modern 12 years a slave view of things is inaccurate, and in fact was based on an abolitionist writing that wasn't even as extreme as modern works make it out to be.

My personal opinion is slavery would have naturally been cut off within 30 years of the war with mechanization and global pressure.

this is absolutely not true.

think of how christians treat their livestock. most families were broken and sold. corporal ounishment was standard. often the 'devout' owners hired overseers, brutal men who's only insentive was to get as much work as possible out of them.

fucking christ where do u get these ideas. christians = good people.

do u live in another world?

Thanks for the good response.

Why doesn't the majority understand that the North was absolutely destroying the South's economic system?
>high tariffs
so
>have to sell stuff cheaper

>tariff money goes to internal improvements
>IN THE NORTH

>Stopping slavery

That last one really drove the nail into the coffin.

read primary sources dingbat

>Slavery was wrong

west coast faggot detected

>north always gives shit to the south

>usa ultimately would have stayed white and been better off if the confederacy won

Yankees are to blame.

alsu, usa would only be a regional power today

greatly diminished

It would be better to be a regional power over one that is totally controlled by its financiers.

The CSA would have likely expanded into Mexico, Cuba, and anywhere else they wanted. Not one of those nations could have defeated 1/50th of the Rebel Army. There were plans to accomplish this task, and honestly, most of the people living there would not have objected.

When slavery was phased out, probably within 25 to 50 years, Blacks would have been deported to Hispaniola, Africa, or somewhere else. The Civil Rights shit would have never happened.

The USA (the part not joining the CSA) would have become more European in nature, and entangled in their affairs. The CSA would have been expansionist in Central and South America, but not internationally involved.

There is a good chance the good guys would have actually won WWII.

>Mfw I realized the difference of quality of life between slave and slave owner back then is much smaller than the difference between worker(sedated wageslave) and Jew CEO in the present times

Honestly, I would prefer if all the right-wing rats had their own country.
Red states tend to be less educated, poorer, and they tend to take more than they give.

CSA wins
>international pressure + embargo on cotton export because slavery
>ends up abolishing slavery 10/20 years after end of war, still doesn't give any right to niggas
>tries imperialism mode with Latin America, mixed results
>begins slow industrialization, difficult because post war post embargo economy still half crippled
>still shit international pressure + shit blackmailing still-too-big-part-of-economy-to ignore-pressures cotton
>at turn of century gives right to vote to niggas, only different urns with 1 nigga vote counted as, say, 1/10 white vote
>because of gianormic nigga populace politics still shift a little to more moderate positions
>slow industrialization continues
>WWI doesn't give shit
>gets to be friends with Adolf, Benito, Hirohito
>now economy half dependent on technology half on cotton + low wages nigga jobs
>still too soon to exterminate niggas without crippling economy
>WWII begins, play same part as US with allies, supplying weapons to European friends
>No Pearl Harbour happens, US too coward to make any open act of war against CSA
>Thanks to CSA support Axis powers resist a couple years more than our timeline, then embargos make it almost impossible to give them supplies
>Cold war begins
>US still better than Rooskies, become allies
>CSA is shame of West, actually helps Soviet propaganda credibility about corruption led by capitalism and prolongs cold war by ~10 to 15 years
>At this point mostly industrialized, nut political international pressures is too strong because of cold war environment and suffices
>gives full voting rights to niggas, still can't get any office though + literacy tests
>Cold war ends
>CSA and South Africa look at each other
>"muh nugga"
>"I see what you did there", many lulz given
>without Cold War environment to keep population focused on national economic prosperity to show them commies how things are done, niggas begin big protests, can't use too violence because blue-pilled 1989/2001 world

>It's current year, segregation eventually comes to an end
>KKK is born, pissed off whites use violence and destroy niggas few properties on large scale
>"White lives matter"
>First black candidate to CSA presidency
>What the future bears is a mistery

>It's current year, segregation eventually comes to an end
>KKK is born, pissed off whites use violence and destroy niggas few properties on large scale
>"White lives matter"
>First black candidate to CSA presidency
>What the future bears is a mystery

you can say "nigger"

we're all friends here

Also if you think the South wouldn't side with the US/Great Britain in both WW1 and WW2 you're pretty much wrong. Apartheid would probably still be a thing, however.

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If the south woulda won...

I support their state rights to secede if they want to.

Not sure how things would be different if the South hadn't lost.

95% of Southerners didn't want to keep slaves, though. Only a small number of people actually owned them and everyone else was forced to go on slave-catching duty which was time consuming and often costly.

I think the south would be more advanced than it is now I believe that WW1@2 and thus communism wouldn't have advanced so far and besides I would love to have some summer home in Confederate Columbia

For a time, things would be good in the south.

But eventually a couple more small civil wars and we'd end up like south america-fractured, divided, stagnating, poor...and catholic.

The north would probably unite and hold its own. Depending on britains politics and canada the north might have had a slim chance of joining canada but probably never britain. Because ocean.

Im sure the anglosphere would have been mostly intact but south would be fucked because AC and refridgeration wouldnt be affordable for another 100 years.

Southerners btfo.

Because two of my great-great-great-grandfathers served proudly for the Confederacy. Neither of them owned slaves.

*ww1@2 wouldn't have happened

there was professional slave catchers and besides rewards were offered so it wasn't like ppl were forced to find slaves

Catholic South I think not dog of rome

WW1 was so independent of the USA that all you can really say about it is the Germans may have won. The US's involvement or non-involvement would not have prevented the rise of communism.

It wasn't that wrong, for the "firms" of South - farms and plantations - it worked just fine, and it was slave farming was more efficient than slave-free farming on Middle West.
Slaves also had awesome nutrition - no "free" factory worker in Europe had better ration. And nobody bitches about serfs of Eastern Europe - they were treated as slaves, but it's totally okay, because they're not black.

>Germans may have won
Dude
You sent 2 millions to add to the 40 millions soldiers already deployed since 1914 against the Central Powers, and only in the last year of war.
It may have taken some more time, but Germany couldn't win even without the US entering the war

Hey relax...not by choice but because hispanic immigrants and blacks. Because catholicism dominates latin america it would spread easily to an emaciated CSA.

Shelter, electricity and plumbing might actually have been basic human rights.

Not they are luxurious accommodations.

*tips fedora*

You underestimate the effect that American seapower had against the U-boat efforts.

That's a completely different story from what Euros tend to tell.

that like saying the British empire was going to be Hindu or Buddhist considering the indians and chinese

not in the mainland not in the South

>if the South won?

If the South would have won we'd a had it made: youtu.be/oAFjBSPUQJk

I am saying that a divided america would not have forced Germany to release Lenin into Russia and the Empires of Austria-Hungary, Germany, and Russia would have survived germany probably would have lost but not near as bad

CSA .vs Mexico or Spain is not a slam dunk like most people think.

Just because the heavily industrified USA beat them dosent give the south a free pass.

You could easily see Mexico carve off chunks of Texas.

Texas GDP alone is bigger than Mexico.

There is reason Mexico could never take the southwest back Paco.

>PROTIP: They would get their shit fucked up.

The south would become a second Brazil.

Lol.

Britain is littered with dindus, hindus, and muslims...its not even the same country.

Florida, texas, arizona etc are 40% mexican and thats just the documented ones...which god do you think they worship?

Dont act like it could never happen when its already happening.

Oops

Anyone pro-South is disrepecting Lincoln.

Fuck off stupid

Haha i laugh a you

Suuuurre

White or not, traitors are fucking traitors.

This thread isnt about the civil war etc...its about alternate history and future of CSA, try to keep up and stay on topic.

My answer is if the South won it would be shit blacks would have 0 rights and Lincoln thr greatest president would be remembered as a failure

Everyone but me on this site is disgusting

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Dixie is an impossibility today because of the carpetbaggers having successfully planted their grubby claws deep in the south but if it were 1860 again? I'd side with the CSA without hesitation.

fucking yankees GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEEE

In event of a Civil War, Mexico would very much be on our side for that anti-Washington bants.

We may not like them now but they'd be our #1 ally in such an event.

Traitor you are shitting on lincoln the greatest presidents grave

>literally "muh feelins" the president
>used flashmobs to get re-elected
>didn't do anything significant other than say "we should keep fighting"
>provoked the attack on Fort Sumter in the first place
>made a political blunder when he offered the Southern states re-entry into the Union and in exchange they would keep slavery legal (none of them accepted, proving they cared more about independence than slavery)

>muh feelings
Thats you!

Lincoln freed the slaves and stood up to the banks by creating the greenback he had balls

Cuz niggers

>freeing the slaves
>good
pick 1

Lincoln did not free the slaves 13th amendment did that. Emancipation never freed anyone

I fucking hate people who fly the confederate battle flag these days. Whiney cunts think the civil war is still going on.

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN HURR shut the fuck up, Elmer. What will they gain from rising up?

Are people really getting whipped by their CEO for not typing out fiscal reports?

How are they the ones who think the war is still going on just for raising a flag? When was the last time they removed a US flag from a monument?

>think of how Christians treat their livestock.
All of the ones I know treat them extremely well since that's where their income comes from. Can't risk treating them like shit and loosing thousands of dollars.

t. livestock farmer

That reminds me, people who think the CSA battle flag (not the national flag, mind you) should be displayed at government buildings are fucking idiots. If you're going to fly a flag of a country that the area was once controlled by, why not include:

>Confederate national flag
>Spanish/French/British flag (depending on the state)
>All the other US flags between 13-50 stars

This!
> I'd side with the CSA without hesitation.
Absolutely

Ok im going to be honest senpai,
>born south of the mason dixie line
>born in the Carolina's
>lived in Alabama half my life
>literally the most dixe part of Alabama
>I dont really support the CSA

Let me tell you why, yes i am a unionist, Texas nor California nor any state should break away that weakens overall the power that could be the USA.

Trust me when i say the CSA would not be the best alternative. Simply im a constitutionalist, Nation state supporting capitalist/free market supporter with sound backed no monkey business currency. with a little anti-interest loans/usury sprinkled in...

From my standpoint the CSA is more totalitarian by nature, it would only weaken the North American continent, and could cause division. I support a whole 50 state USA with controlled competent borders.

Besides in the long run as Europe is cucked by barbarian invasion 2.0, it would be better to remain vigilant and try and fix what we have rather than slice up the nation.

But i will also have to add this, fyi, I HATE absolutely hate Socialism, and the Jews that spearhead it, they are the ones trying to take down the CSA flag. I am a nationalist at heart, and have no problem with Confederate flags despite not begin a supporter in the end. I own them prob wont fly them but i am wholly against the demonetization of it.