What's the pros and cons when reading comics instead of manga?

What's the pros and cons when reading comics instead of manga?

Pro:
It is more realistic
Your favorite character is always get written in a new and fresh way.
Better art
Better story.

Con:
Fanboys
Retcons
Bad writers
Terrible art.
Unwanted shipping.
Get rape by the company.

Nothing. Aside from aesthetic differences, they're the same thing.

Would you rather read americanized garbage or japanized garbage?

This. Read both, as they're ultimately both just comics.

>I don't read manga or comics

The biggest cons of reading comics, at least superhero comics, are
-Retcons
-Events
-Power Creep

Superman dies?! He's back within a year. Spider-man No More?! Not next month! Cap is Hydra?! Just wait a couple months. The Joker kills a guy? Next writer needs to make him even more evil, so now he's killed billions! Superman is strong? Next writer can top that! He's pushing planets!

It just ends up feeling like nothing matters anymore.

One thing I like about manga is the author having more creator control over their story and character.

Pros: you read comics
Cons: you don't read manga.

Both have good and bad. With comics find an author you like and stick with it. With manga find a genre you like and stick with it.

because manga never does any of that.

its all the same shit. the big two just have a much larger cast to deal with.

>-Retcons
>-Events
>-Power Creep

DBZ has all of these.
And a lot of shonen have one or another.

>It just ends up feeling like nothing matters anymore.

Yeah that's the biggest drawback from reading comics. I'm mean Retcons and power creep happens in manga too, but it almost never gives me the feeling of nothing matters that comics gives off.

comics
>generally more diverse stories within the same genre
>higher production value in terms of art, coloring, and especially lettering
>western writers tend to avoid cliches, eastern writers like to follow structure
>more expensive
>[big 2] different writers leads to character inconsistencies
>[big 2] editorial mandate and status quo basically makes it so that popular comics can't progress

manga
>cheap and mostly free
>one writer means a more consistent story
>the industry is more friendly toward independents and so there is a lot of variety out there
>writing is often very exposition heavy, from shounen action/adventure to drama to fantasy to romance, it has always seemed very 'text'-heavy due to a lack of drawing budget
>there is no editorial to stop writers from making dumb choices

I mean really since manga is free, there is no reason you shouldn't be reading both

Top 5 favorite manga, Sup Forums. Doesn't matter if pleb taste.

Comics: Stories about a main character
Manga: Stories with a main character

Generally speaking.

A Pro of Manga:
Despite it being kiddy wish fulfillment bullshit, atleast it does generally have messages that are encouraging. Growing up, gaining strength, following your dreams, ect. Probs because Japs are introvert shut-ins so they can repress this to their media.

Cape comics don't encourage this anymore. I can pick up any comic from the Big 2 today and never once will I ever feel like I'm reading about "Superheros" or "Good guys", or get any sense of heroism. It's just all morally gray shitheads with different superpowers fighting each other.

Well manga is free the same comics are free, you find them online and don't pay for the content.

To be fair manga doesn't get retcons or events as much.

They get TIMESKIPS, which are something far more aggravating in it's own way.

>All the same shit
>Picture of bleach as example of anime that isn't all the same shit over and over.
Please the WWE has better progression between fight scenes.

Chrono Crusade
Claymore
Biomega
BREAKERS: New Waves
Tokyo Ghoul

What does this taste say about me?

Think you misunderstood him, buddy. He's making the same point.

>Next writer needs to make him even more evil, so now he's killed billions!

I don't see the problem in this one. He's literally a psychotic serial killer.

ITT: people who read neither comic books nor manga

BREAKERS: New Waves isn't manga.

pretty much the same it just boils down to preference.
Longer running manga has the benefit of keeping the same writer which can lead to hiatus but 30+ year runs of a manga are consistently better than 30+ year runs of comics

comics on the other hand benefit from a great indie scene which allows a lot more creativity in genre and imo much better single books

really depends on what you value.

>It is more realistic
>pro

Ok

Nausicaa
Lone Wolf & Cub
Phoenix
Ashita No Joe
Berserk (up until the end of the conviction arc or hill of swords battle with zodd)

Personally I love older series like Blade of the Immortal, Berserk, Kenshin, YYH and Zatch Bell.

manga is like way easier to find though

even on popular hosting sites or torrent sites, you wont find all comics

The distinction is meaningless. Comics is comics. Manga, fumetti, bande dessinee? Al of it is just comics.

1. Berserk
2. Hunter X Hunter
3. One Punch Man
4. Vinland
5. Fullmetal Alchemist

Honorable mention:

Shaman King

Manhwa are basically Korean manga. Same editorial and production process, slightly different aesthetics but they're more or less similar.

I did misunderstand. I need more coffee thanks.

It's also the biggest upside. Characterizations that have sucked in the past can be shuffled aside or ignored.

Vagabond
Berserk
Jojo (diamond is unbreakable, specifically)
Blade of the Immortal
Akira

fave US comic is Hellboy and more recently miss marvel.

Ai Ren
Bokurano
Lucifer and the Biscuit Hammer
3x3 eyes
Angel Sanctuary

Mushishi
Azumanga Daioh
Black Lagoon
Fullmetal Alchemist
Medaka Box

It's evolved passed kiddy shit, comic writers all agree on this and they basically quote your last bit. Comics are no longer about good guy vs bad guy that they would sell to kids, because kids have the movies now. Their main market comes from peoples ages 21-34 (or something, I don't remember what the survey said). So comics are now about political statements, which is why so many characters are gray and suffering through problems like alcoholism, they've become a way to reflect our world (everything exists in a gray area, nothing is either purely good nor bad) and express the writers opinions on it. Which is basically what they were at first during the WWII era of comics. Which is fine, I actually prefer having my heroes lie in a gray area, allows room for thought. The problem lies with certain companies not knowing the definition of subtly and they out right say what the problem is (at the most awkward times) and make the villain such a ridiculous parody of what the writer wants to take a stand against it sells as neither.

Dorohedoro
Hellsing
One-Punch Man
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
Bleach

I just find Bleach really enjoyable even though its absolute shit.

Askeladd was so fucking goat. Also is HxH that great and is the 2011 anime worth watching or just skip to the manga? Normally I'm a skip straight to manga guy, but seeing as how a lot of people like the adaptation and a lot of people give togashi shit for his art, not sure which to start with.

Choose your Clown-ifu Sup Forums.

My faves in no particular order:

Jojo
Tensai Bakabon
Android Kikaider
Moeyo Pen
Ranma 1/2

Honorable mention: Sakura Ganbaru

Rose of Versailles
Alien Nine
Monster
Excel Saga
Punpun

Only two come to my mind that are worth to mention:
Pluto
Blame!

Honorable mention: ranma 1/2

everything else i have read from japan is bland shit ( i haven't read Akira manga though)

Try Ms. Marvel. It's very upbeat and the stories aren't convoluted bullshit.

I would also recommend the miniseries Spiderman and the X-Men, where Spidey becomes a teacher at the Jean Grey Academy. Goofy and fun.

Also Christopher Yost's Scarlet Spider run. It's a nice mix of drama and lighter elements, and is essentially about a former bad guy learning to do good. Would highly recommend.

Seriously, there are good superhero comics out there, you just need to dig a bit (like any medium really).

Vinland Saga
Parasyte
Shinigami Alice
AI Love you
Negima

Hey faggot thanks for killing the thread as opposed to starting your own!

Too many posters in this thread don't know that there's a difference between the "comics" medium as a whole, and just Marvel/DC.

Luba should have been the tittymonster in the OP instead of Peej.

Is this even a question? The Joker obviously, he's fucking nuts.

Akira's manga has enough material for them to have made a trilogy of movies after what they adapted, holy fuck the wasted potential is amazing considering how good what they did animate was.

HxH is shounen but an enjoyable one. Especially in later chapters. I highly recommend.

When ever people ask if they should watch the anime or read the manga I always recommend reading the manga. Even in Hunter x Hunter's case, though at times the quality isn't that great. If you do watch the anime, continue from chapter 340.

What about Image comics?

Neither.

Aria
Berserk
Battle Angel (No Last Order)
Yotsuba
BLAME!

But if I did that it would get removed. Just go with it.

no one ever means anything other than the big 2 when they say comics. they use indie comics or small publisher comics when they talk about anything else.

>-Retcons

Really? Examples?

>not even Sup Forums is safe from this debate

Read the Viz scanlation manga, not the original chapters (Which haven't been edited pasted Togashi's scribbles). The anime's slow paced as shit and not really worth it, unless it's the old OVA. The sound track can be pretty mediocre at times too. Also they cut out so much narration that'll leave you confused what the hells going on at times. (If you plan to read HxH at all, expect to read chapter after chapter of jam-packed text wall exposition. It reaches Death Note level verbosity)

Goku being an alien comes to mind.

The one that won't brutally torture me and then fuck me to death...oh wait, they're both going to do that.

Saint Seiya
Slam Dunk
Love Hina
Berserk
Ranma 1/2

90s af

>Blame!
Mai nigga

No it wouldn't. Just include the same fucking question with western comics along side it or go to Sup Forums.

>It is more realistic

What the fuck are you saying.

Nobody was expecting "comics" to mean only indie comics or small press comics.

"Comics" means fucking *ALL* comics, including the Big Two *AND* including comics outside the Big Two.

If you prefer left over right, you dont belong here

How would I know Sup Forums's favortie manga if I ask Sup Forums?

Helter Skelter: Fashion Unfriendly
Nausicaa
Lone Wolf and Cub
Sunny
Travel by Yuichi Yokoyama

And for non-Japanese comics:
Love & Rockets
Phonogram: The Singles Club
Ghost World
Megg, Mogg, and Owl
Operation Margerine

Wasn't he a parody of Superman from the start?

I'm saying that the vast majority of people who say 'comics' mean marvel and DC capes

Okay dude, whatever you say. But anyone that's speaking in context here is referring to western cape comics when they mean 'comics'.
Not webcomics or indie comics.

It's like when someone says "America", they're generally referring to the United States, not Canada or Latin America.

In fairness part of dbz is escalation where comics try to keep the characters consistent

No. It was a Journey to the West parody more than anything.

Honest question, are there any manga that parody or do superhero comics well?

I've read Punch Man and Hero Academia which are pretty good. I'm just wondering if there are any more 'Cape' Manga out there.

It's certainly a double edged sword though if you're not a fan of the status quo.

>It's evolved passed kiddy shit
>because kids have the movies now.
The Marvel movies maybe.

>, they've become a way to reflect our world (everything exists in a gray area, nothing is either purely good nor bad) and express the writers opinions on it.

And either way that's a part of the problem. Capeshit HAS to reflect our world. So you have guys like Reed Richards that can't cure cancer or market his flying cars, because REAL WORLD. We need to reflect accurately! It ends up making the heroes kinda useless because they can't make the world any better.

It's fucked up that the most heroic superheroes I can think of these days aren't from western books at all.

If you don't know Japanese, obscure comics can be easier to get a hold of than manga. The porn tradition is stronger with manga. Random people who want to talk to you about comics used to be less obnoxious than the same for manga, but that's changed in recent years. To this day manga deals with a wider variety of subject matter, because indie comics area all about angsty tweens or parodies of old comic books or manga. All the best comic book artists read manga, all the best mangaka read comics, and all the best comic book writers read the classics and do drugs. Manga handles gay characters better almost universally. Comics handle teenage characters better almost universally, though that's not saying much. Manga generally offers a greater variety of body types to fap over. The weirdest comics are weirder than the weirdest manga, but comics are less weird on average, where weird can be sexually, psychologically, artistically, etc. Comics are more commercial, and webcomics are killing them. Manga has succumbed less to that so far.

he was a 10 year old monkey kid who enters a martial arts tournament.

Again, include the same question along side pertaining to something relevant. It's not that hard of a stretch. But instead you have to refuse to fucking think for half a goddamn second and decide to shitpost.

In Naruto *Massive Spoilers*
The shinobi were retconned into being aliens descended from a space-rabbit MILF. Naruto's an alien, Sasuke's an alien, they're all Aliens. I'm not making this up, they're all ayy lmaos now

Monster.
Dorohedoro,
Excel Saga.
Bokurano.
All Baki series.

Nipponese super heroes usually have helmets with visors instead of capes and fight kaiju.

The 2011 anime is good, but I prefer the manga. Watch/read both. I do think that the 2011 anime did a better job at presenting the Chimera Ant arc because frankly the pacing that Togashi put forth in the manga (like the second-by-second breakdown of events during the palace invasion) does not translate well to panel art.

JoJo
Berserk
Ippo
Monster Musume
Kamen Rider Spirits

whoa whoa whoa, when did this happen?

That was foreshadowed in the first arc, with his typical subtlety.

The manga edition of Spider-Man, the 1970 one not mangaverse, is incredible.

Why does it have to reflect our world? I want to see wish fulfillment in which people act moral and good and give me shining role models with superpowers.

That doesn't mean I want to see Captain America go fight ISIS or egg on Mexicans

I wonder...

Do Western comics do a reverse? Take a bunch of Shounen shit and tell a awesome story with it?

Drago Ball yes,
in the other hand Z have many inspirations in Superman even Toriyama admited he's fan of superman, he even write a short-manga rewriting goku origin matching kal'el origin

I fully admit to not remembering correctly, I swear his ship appeared in DB at some point.

I know katsuhiro otomo did a batman manga (think he might've even did a spiderman and hulk one too, unless I'm thinking of someone else). Can't think of much other traditional cape manga, other than like kamen rider shit or Zetman which I'm not sure fill that role.

Whatever, I got what I wanted.

yes nigger, in dragon ball he was not
>a parody of superman from the start
he was something else and didnt become a superman knockoff until DBZ

Years ago.
It was speculated on for a while, but Naruto The Last, (the recent movie) and the most recent set of filler just confirmed it.

I assume you're talking about super hero comics, and not just comics in general so the answer is sometimes, but /usually/ as side characters in other books.

>Kamen Rider Spirits
Mah nigguh. Even if there is no god or buddha.

see the DBZ retcon

>Nausicaa
>Lone Wolf and Cub

mah nigga, Nausicaa is miyazaki's true opus (and it ain't even close desu. Most of his films feel lacking after reading the manga)

Towards the end. They're called gods but they're aliens.