>It's nothing bad. It will cost 25€ for the consultation, and you'll get 20€ back from your mutual insurance.
>Just go to the pharmacy in order to buy this medication. It's 100% refunded by your mutual as well.
>You don't have a mutual insurance yet ? You should subscribe to one, and it's only 50-60€ per year.
This confuses and enrages the Americans.
feels good man
as a Belgian yourself, you must exactly know what i'm talking about :)
yes i pay almost nothing regarding healthcare
>>Just go to the pharmacy in order to buy this medication. It's 100% refunded by your mutual as well.
Not in the Netherlands
how is it like to live in a 3rd world country ?
>TFW prescription drugs, dental care, eye exams, hearing aids, physiotherapy, and psychologists are not covered in your country
don't you have a universal healthcare and insurances in Canada ?
Here, when I go to the dentist, I get 80% refunded by the mutual
>hearing aids
i unironically thought for a few seconds that you could get an aids infection in your hears
We have universal healthcare for everything else but not those
In America:
>normal people get health insurance from their employer
>get the best healthcare in the world and never think twice about the cost
>poor people are very generously given basic care up front, just required to go on a simple payment plan to recoup the expense taxpayers incur to keep them alive
In yurop:
>pay the majority of what should be your money in taxes to a bloated nanny state controlled by Brussels
>in exchange get slow and mediocre care at the same hospital that poor people and refugees use for free at your expense
>>get the best healthcare in the world
Only the top 10%
>>poor people are very generously given basic care
1 in 10 Americans lacks any form of healthcare
If you're dying and you go to a hospital, they're legally required to help you. 100% of Americans have access to healthcare
>and never think twice about the cost
Even people with good insurance can end up paying more than they should
>poor people are very generously given basic care up front, just required to go on a simple payment plan to recoup the expense taxpayers incur to keep them alive
That's so disingenuous that it's like saying the Holocaust was a FREE singles resort with scenic train tours of Central Europe.
It's not generous, the payment plan isn't simple and the "expense taxpayers" is twice as much as it would have been if we just fucking expanded Medicare/Medicaid to include everyone.
You're obviously a conservative, why do you support the Jews jewing our health system? Is it because the Jews take precedence over the poor minorities who are hurt slightly more than the poor whites?
>25€ for the consultation
hehe
>why does a Jew support Jewry?
>100% of Americans have access to healthcare
Having to choose between your house and your life is pretty sick. 40% of bankruptcies are medical, I don't understand how people like you can be so callous to the suffering of their fellow citizens.
Preddy much exact same for us
Think you get special benefit vouchers and stuff based on your income though, and under 18's get all that on NHS too
>Refunds
What's the point then? It still fucks people who don't have cash on hand.
Where does the meme of healthcare here being slow come from ? It always seem like the main rebutal that burgers pull out when we compare our systems, but I never saw any case for it.
Slow AF in Canada at least.
Guy I know (swede) lives in Belgium and gave a first hand account of how efficient Belgian healthcare is. Issue here in Sweden isn't really quality or cost, but the waiting times. He on the other hand got his knee issues looked up, x-rayed and medicated all within an hour
How
>I don't understand how people like you can be so callous to the suffering of their fellow citizens.
tb h I don't understand how you're not. Your culture is extremely "me me me", hence why the majority don't support it.
I'm saddened I have to say it but it's "class warfare". You're a lower-class american talking to an upper-class american.
not op but I guess it's entirely free when you are actually poor and live off welfare
Americans are used to their governments defunding their public services to the point where they can barely operate so they can point to towards them and say 'See, it's so slow and inefficient we have to scrapt it'.
>muh fellow citizens
Why should I care about someone just because they live within the same borders as me? There's a 50/50 chance they're my political enemy anyway. And a choice between your house and your life is still infinitely better than the alternative of just dying with no choice.
Poor people don't have a right to anything, they should be grateful for what they're given.
You seem like a sad human being
>Where does the meme of healthcare here being slow come from ?
By national averages including specialist consultations and treatment. When you start averaging out the time it takes to get a tiny cut stitched along side a 5 year cancer treatment and rehabilitation routine, numbers get fucked.
I have lived my entire life hearing about "Oh man, Canada so slow. 15 hours in the waiting room, woe is me" and yet, in my many visits to the hospital for psychological (family trauma) and physical (heart problem) purposes, I have never spent more than around 20-30 minutes waiting for anything. Including when I was sent for a precautionary MRI (wasn't required, doctor wanted to be thorough over a muscle spasm problem, he even had me get 2 blood tests and an ultrasound as well) within 2 days of the check up.
Kys douchebag
You seem like a socialist
>tfw 2/3 of my schrink's consultations are reimbursed
Feels good
The Netherlands have the highest paid surgeons
>tfw there are no drugs in your country
>my political enemy
holy fuck my sides
Is this the notorious american patriotism in action?
>There's a 50/50 chance they're my political enemy
Unironically using party over country as an argument
>my political enemy
Missed
Try another buzzword and see if you fall on the right one
It doesn't make sense to oppose a universal health care system from an economical and rational standpoint.
Every universal health care system in existence turns out to be cheaper in the end. Even normal an middle class people are paying less overall within a universal system.
The only reason why you would oppose it is irrational spite. There is no other explanation. Pure spite.
When the enemy party is trying to destroy the country, loyalty to party IS loyalty to the country.
American party opposition can easily be labelled warfare. They're fanatical about it. It's only gotten seriously worse since the 90s when Newt Gringrich weaponized politics for his own gain.
When America was founded, George Washington warned against political parties for this exact reason, he felt polarization and assembly of political ideologies would be bad for the country.
This is why many of their old laws regarding Presidential checks out power make no sense. Like Congress being the one to impeach the President, doesn't really happen if the same party of the President has the majority in Congress. Because at that time the idea of a party like that wasn't really on their mind.
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>from an economical and rational standpoint.
You're talking about supporters who wanted their political party to make the rich richer than ever and add $1.5T to the deficit to make it possible. These same people call themselves the "party of fiscal responsibility".
Economics and rationality are the last things in their minds.
Too bad you're going to need to pay the full bill for the therapy you deeply require.
People have a hard time understanding how taxes being invested in things like education, healthcare and social serves actually come back to you. Say a swede pays 35% income tax, that's 65% left, yet in reality he's getting a very large part of those 35% back. ESPECIALLY if he choses (or already chose) to get a university degree.
Well wow I've had the exact opposite experiences tbqh
>You're talking about supporters who wanted their political party to make the rich richer than ever and add $1.5T to the deficit to make it possible.
Ah yes. I can't wait for the next bug recession within the next 8-10 years.
The US is a country that REALLY makes me think
>When the enemy party is trying to destroy the country, loyalty to party IS loyalty to the country.
Literally the "vote for me goy, not vote for me goy" meme. Americans really do write it themselves.
The the trick, lad. Kicking the can down the road.
>At most, Trump can not be President beyond 2024
>All the time limited tax cuts to the middle class (remember, only the rich tax cuts are permanent) will expire in 2025
>When the middle classes taxes fly up, medicaid/medicare are eviscerated to save money, the economy collapses, etc. It will be the democrats in office in 2024 who get the blame
All according to kaikaku.
I'll never """""require""""" therapy because unlike your unfree shithole, there's no such thing as a thought crime in the US
>Say you don't like sodomites
>Lose job and everyone alienates you
But at least the gubbermint didn't do it. OH IM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN WHERE AT LEAST I KNOW IM FREEEEE
>add $1.5T to the deficit
*3 trillion, Republicans managed to hide the middle class tax breaks by setting them to expire while gambling no future congress will allow such an unpopular measure
Its not about a thought crime, its more about you being a sociopath.
The other day an American on FB was discussing the budget deficit outfall from tax legislation with me, he said we need to reduce services to only Police and the Army
And I still don't know if he was joking, his profile fit the stereotype
>reduce services to only Police and the Army
Ah yes a night-watchman state
my favourite type
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Sometimes I think there are Americans having a massive laugh behind the screen. FDR wasn't just socialist, a full blown communist like Obama, Mar-a-lago requesting Foreign Worker Visas in Nov 2017 is a brilliant business move not reducing wages, and the classical 'everything and everyone in the ME is cursed, except Moses and Jesus'
That's the one. I wonder if someone changed it to a amerimutt face though.
>reduce services to only Police and the Army
This but unironically, some of them are excellent trolls, like this one is brilliantly funny.
And on top of that, Americans are also not white.
For what it's worth, I agree with you. I don't want to pay for the treatments of other people, who are possibly voting for people who are ruining the country.
If I could decide where my taxes went, I'd have no problem paying for them.
Because retards go to the hospital even when they have a mild problem/no big accident and then are surprised when they have to wait hours to get a doctor.
The hospital is not for when you have a migraine or a heavy cough or a toothache.
>having to pay for a consultation
Huh?
>80%
everything? no way. in most countries it depends on the type of treatment. here preventive is 100% free, most stuff is 80% and really expensive stuff like bridges is about 50-60%.
>Only the top 10%
tell me about my country faggot
>tfw most arguments on Sup Forums are made from a poor fag's worst case point of view
sucks to be you then. most people are ok.
Dental is not covered by our healthcare, that's 100% private and priced to the fucking moon.
>doesn't understand that political parties define the country
that's why your shithole ""country"" is so shit.
> most people are ok means we shouldn't care about the not ok ones
>more than half of us don't have $100
what is this shit about.
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Can you at least not lie so fucking extremely?
There's a government webapp to look up appointment / surgery wait times for specialists / procedures in Ontario for specific hospitals and the average. It is not quick at all.
www.ontariowaittimes.com/Surgerydi/en/Service_Data.aspx
This page shows wait times for Ontario hospitals for various surgeries.
>Can you at least not lie so fucking extremely?
I know my experiences, and your shitty averaged out "I strained my ankle and the doctor treated the caner patient first, Canada sucks" numbers matter zero to me.
Also, where the fuck did I say I had a surgery? I had an MRI at the University Hospital of London, Ontario
Averaged out? It's statistics on wait times for specific surgeries. Nothing to do with spraining your ankle.
Look at the page maybe? Or is 180 day average wait time for lumbar disc surgery affected by sprained ankles
we should but that's all Sup Forums cares about in their reasoning. "muh poor people". are you all poor or commies?
>only 33% of US population have health insurance
>this mexican is on a mission to win the war of meme charts on Sup Forums
ok, good for you. you are 1st world hahahahah.
I would probably be dead or in serious debt if I lived in Burgerland.
Is destruction by BBC covered under medical insurance?
You didn't, but you said it was quick because it was fast for you which does not match up with the easily checked statistics showing how long wait times are for many procedures.
As for MRIs we arent great...
cadth.ca
>When the number of CT units per population for Canada is compared with other countries reported to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), Canada appears in the lower half. For the number of exams per population, Canada appears in the upper half.
>We identified a total of 340 MRI units in Canada. All provinces and one territory had at least one unit. Ontario and Quebec had the most units, followed by BC and Alberta. Yukon has a single unit. Since January 1, 2012, three times as many MRIs were installed than were decommissioned, suggesting a net growth
Nah I'm just saying we should care for everyone. If the
healthcare system doesn't work for poor ones maybe we should change it. Likewise if the taxes system doesn't work for middle classes maybe we should change this too.
To the best of our ability.
Nice strawman, this isn't about first world but on topic about healthcare coverage, you're the one here unironically defending paying a lot more in taxes than Euros for healthcare and getting in return a system that's worse than Mexico's
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And you'd probably still be okay with it
Seriously I need an answer to this
>all these people think health care in America will be affordable
When was the last time you guys saw a person so fat he could only move with a fat people scooter in your country?
Public health care is fine and dandy but if your general populace is that fat it will be a nightmare to pay for the medication and the treatments of heart attacks. Not to mention Americans love to shoot each other
Is destruction by BBC covered under pubic healthcare?
Sweden: yes.
They had a porn actress Linda Thoren was from the far north and considered poor. In general the more north you go the more rural and country the people are.
She suffered a prolapsed anus (with Rocco Sifreddi) and was given workman comp because it was a work related injury. She now works at a retirement home in northern Sweden.
>Most Americans say they can't pay the monthly premiums that are routinely charged for Obamacare plans
>Obamacare
Do you even know what that is and how many people need to buy it? Why are you guys so dumb...
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She could still do gigs for prolapse fetish ( I like it)
And she could change her stage name to Linda Torn.
I know premiums are going up now that Republicans managed to repeal the individual mandate as part of their tax cut for the rich but lol MAGA amirite?
>doctors consultations are free
>surgery and hospital stay costs 60
>medications cost 2 eur per prescription
>Psychiatrists are free but wait lists are absurd
We're literally third world at this stage
Not having universal healthcare should be an instant third world status.
>There's a 50/50 chance they're my political enemy anyway.
This is what Mutts actually believe.
This is just sad.
He's right though. Why should anyone be forced to pay for anyone else's expenses?
Are you guys playing up the Germany/Sweden cuckold stereotype or are you being serious?
