lies trup worth at least 10bn! he told us and he never lies :DD:D
Gavin Price
If it were that easy, every millionaire should be a billionaire. If you really believed the market would give you these kinds of returns, you would put everything you own into stocks.
This whole strategy requires Trump to lock up all of his money and weather the Black Friday crash and the 2008 crisis. A lot of it comes down to timing as well. If you invested 16 years ago at the height of the internet bubble, youd only have about a 40% return.
Jaxson Adams
Damn shame he didn't have the 20/20 hindsight these articles have
Blake Barnes
>putting all your assets into a possibly volatile mutual fund
No sane wealthy person would ever do this; Deborah clearly is some poor old librarian who lives with 60 cats in her home. Sad!
Michael Thomas
hohohohohoho
>MSM lies!!! crooked! high energyyyyyyyyyyyyy pls kukk me daddy trump
Chase Butler
>if if if if if
if I had a time machine I'd be a zillionare too
Adam Taylor
>jews talking shit about rich people that could be richer if they played stocks instead of actually building things
Wyatt Morgan
Yes if only he gave his money to the jews so they could lend 10 times more than that to suckers who can't pay it back. Instead he invested in businesses and created jobs. Ha ha what a retard, right?
Jaxson Ramirez
Do you think "the stocks" is just some kind of money stew where it rolls around in a void?
It's more like "investing in businesses that are run by other people who know what they're doing, unlike Trump"
Nolan Taylor
God forbid someone actually wants to produce something instead of sitting around stealing money like all banker scumbags.
Robert Foster
politifacts has been caught connected with DNC and colluding with them in email leaks
Bentley Reed
So now he was being charitable, not an amazing businessman? Stop moving the goalposts, you fucking Idiocracy extra.
David Ramirez
>implying "investing" means you are actually helping companies grow anymore
It literally is cash floating around in the ether.
Explain how Trump doesn't know what he's doing.
Matthew Price
I'll tell you what.
You put $100 in index funds and see how long it takes it to turn into $10000
Noah Garcia
Damn you sure converted me... #ImWithHer
Kayden Ross
they are qualified enough with finance to make such conclusions
how actually bankers steal money you trailer trash scum?
Mason Adams
>index fund >same as a mutual fund pls carry on telling us what rich people would do
Bentley Harris
Oh yeah? I could've bought Google, Facebook, and bitcoins. I would've been a billionaire! What an idiot I am! I guess I should just kill myself.
Lincoln Adams
such contribution to discussion wow
Gavin Evans
thank you for Correcting The Record >2 cents have been deposited to your account
Jeremiah Ortiz
he filed chapter11 4 times and that's enough to tell you what kind of businessman he is also trump unversity... trump stakes... oh my... he's a caricature of businessman
Brandon Bell
What do you expect from a Sup Forumscuck? Memes memes memes! Fuck thinking, MORE MEMES! SAD
Andrew Brown
>[$0.05 has been deposited in your account.]
Hudson Gray
Wow you mean this asshole created tens of thousands of jobs and hundreds of businesses instead of doing nothing and living off of dividends?
Which is what makes him bad and business. If he was knowledgeable, he'd have known enough to do better.
Michael Morris
And if I had picked the right 6 numbers for the Powerball back in January I'd be a billionaire.
Jose Ward
You're saying he gave three quarters of his wealth to support other people?
Sounds like communism
Tyler Stewart
Problem is when his money is tied up in funds he and his family can't live extravagant lifestyles. I want to know, >How much does he spend a year >How much do his kids spend >How much did he lose in his divorces >How bad did his networth drop in the housing crisis
Remember that when hillary left the whitehouse she and Bill only had 250k a year coming in and because of this she feels she understands what it is like to be poor. Not being able to make 250k work makes you shitty at handling money as well
Blake Bennett
>politifact
guarantee they are overestimating how much he inherited and underestimating his current net worth
boring CTR thread
Joseph Howard
he made it a burden for tax payers so of course it is bad also not 109 but 515
Jace Taylor
Even the article you linked said it wasn't huge deal, you should try reading it next time
Evan Harris
>Do you think "the stocks" is just some kind of money stew where it rolls around in a void?
yes it's mostly a bubble fueled by central banks
Carson Gonzalez
I don't really see how you pulled this conclusion
Nicholas Russell
Sorry, not you, but this guy
Robert Morris
why doesn't deborah friedell do it if it is so easy.
Does she even know how much you can lose investing into stocks, what kind of risks there are? of course you can get out of it with a full pocket but the opposite can happen too.
Julian Gomez
When you do so freely, it is altruism.
Carnegie etc.
Elijah Cook
Are these people mentally challenged?
Zachary Campbell
Except that Donald Trump's father died in 1999. So how could trump fucking invest his father's money that he had in 1999 in 1982? You fucking disingenuous piece of shit shill.
Samuel Long
>burden for tax payers >chapter 11 Oh jeez, the retardation
Jack Mitchell
fuck off shill
Blake Taylor
Our mongol friend is having a hard time today
Kayden Gray
>Did so in a voluntary exchange of goods and labor >Communism Really stretching there my mongol friend
Jack Richardson
if you invested $1000 in Balchem in 1985 you'd be a millionaire
why didn't you do that you fucking idiot? it's so obvious looking back at profitable stocks which ones turned out to be profitable
Robert Roberts
Yeah if he'd put all his money in stocks and lived on bread and water for 30 years then with a little luck he would be richer now Wow
Gavin Rivera
Well fuck him for wanting to work to make jobs for other people and benefit society! What an idiot!
Jordan Sanders
>People that think Average Joe's set the bar for being good at something. >Thinks Trump is "charitable."
Owen Barnes
>made a bunch from his businesses >Apparently a bad businessman because he decided not to just invest the money in index funds Okay m8, go ahead and invest now and get back to me when you're making more than Trump
Joseph Harris
They do realize that some people actually have to build, manufacture, and sell things in the real world for those index funds to have any value, right?
It's almost like they think everyone could just invest in securities to make a living. Real people have to build and operate real buildings and real factories.
Sure, Trump could have made as much just investing, but that wasn't good enough for him. He wanted to build. He wanted a physical legacy on the skyline of New York.
Nathaniel Sullivan
If only we'd had the power of hindsight beforehand, then we would all be wealthy investors!
Jose Brown
Mom, I posted it again! I called people names instead of using any arguments! Am I like the Donald now?
Jackson White
>IF DONALD TRUMP WERE TO DO EVERYTHING PERFECTLY WITH SUPERHUMAN KNOWLEDGE OF THE FUTURE, HE COULD'VE BEEN EVEN RICHER
Are these the same jaded adults who think about Google and Apple and say "you know, I could've been rich if I invested in them..."?
Nathaniel Davis
He is an expert in real estate, and made his money in real estate because thats what hes good at. Other people make a ton of money in commodities, others in speculative stocks, others in new ventures.
You do what you are good at. Buying an index tracking fund is not good advise to someone who is making money in a different market
Samuel Lee
What the fuck are you saying, Mohammed?
Instead of sitting around collecting checks, this fucker decided he wanted to build shit, make jobs, and benefit America. There's nothing else to talk about. Good game
Robert Reed
The author of that article is right, though
Index funds are the best investment you can ever make. You will never do worse than the market and although there will be bumps in the road, the value of your money will skyrocket through compounding.
If you invest $4000 a year in a Vanguard index fund starting from when you're 24 or 25, you'd have nearly $2 million by the time you retire
Jaxon Miller
When did I ever claim Trump was a perfect businessman?
Cameron Sanchez
but doing nothing isn't fun
Hudson Robinson
>Didn't read my whole post >A-ad hominem!
Sebastian Martin
You retards do realize that Trump's father's assets were tied up in real estate and not cash sitting around right?
Donald Trump would've had to liquidate his father's entire business, taking considerable losses if he wanted to do that in any timely fashion (buildings are not exactly liquid assets).
Last time I checked you can't buy stocks with half finished buildings.
Joseph Baker
Didn't you compare starting businesses to communism? I thought Finn education was supposed to be top tier
Josiah Anderson
read about it and about his cases you idiot before saying shit
>But Trump is certainly not blameless. yeah you read it
Ryder Nguyen
But that wouldn't be Trump making himself very rich. That would be parasitical richness.
Juan Baker
Don't even try and debate with this stupid line of attack because it's not even true. Fred Trump died in 1999, so the premise that Trump could invent money that he didn't have in 1982 is absolutely wrong.
Donald Trump was already a multi millionaire at the time his father died and he inherited a fraction (he has siblings, so they shared in his father's inheritance) of his father's wealth when he was already exceptionally wealthy.
This shilling attacking is totally retarded and wrong on every count.
Jace Bailey
Don't faggots like you always complain about the rich not 'spreading the wealth'?
Now you're attacking a guy who actually created jobs and businesses rather than just sitting on it?
Christian Cox
>gee if only I could predict the future.
Jose Foster
Or you could just send money to Algerian princes who wish to share their fortunes with you.
Nolan Turner
Secondly, no body buys an index fund to get rich.
NOBODY, it is one of the most conservative strategies there are.
Parker White
>I'll just pick that part that suits my argument the best
>but in reality, much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry
Jeremiah Ward
>Index funds are the best investment you can ever make No, it isn't, its one of the most conservative investments you can make.
Jordan Powell
>Most conservative investment
That's not how you say CDs. Index funds are risky, because they're legitimate stocks. They're not as risky as picking individual winners and losers, but not every risk is worth taking.
Jacob Moore
also
>politifact.com
James Powell
OK, Leafbro, what should someone who has $10,000 do with it?
Carson Smith
>parasitical richness sigh how investing in funds or stocks is parasitism?
>but in reality, much was out of Trump’s control -- such as a struggling casino industry that's directly his fault because he likes to invest into extremely risky and shady shit
He's still right, he could have got S&P to make him rich but he didn't, cause he's more respectable than that. obligatory MAGA
Dominic Long
>24 or 25, you'd have nearly $2 million Your math is stupid, I just did the math on my financial calculator and its not even close to a million
Bentley Wright
What is your risk tolerance? Age? Income?
Tyler Young
It all depends on those factors, a younger person will be able to take a higher risk and return while an older person is going to go for more fixed income investments
Isaiah Cox
same as with those veterans?
Landon Brooks
trump is stupid he should have clearly invested 1 million dollars into microsoft on march 14th 1986, he could have bought 10 million stocks at 10 cents each and sold them on dec 23 1999 at 58.72 each for 587200000 then bought apple stocks for about 3 dollars each and have 195733333 stocks then sold those at 132.54 in 2015 and have 26 billion, LOL at trump not turning 1 million into 26 billion in 29 years
Nathan Richardson
>politifacts Anybody that takes those people seriously deserves to be shot.
Gabriel Mitchell
This is completely fucking false in so many different aspects.
To start, you've got the benefit of owning a time machine known as hindsight.
To explain this concept further for the mouth breathing retard CTR shills, anybody with a few thousand dollars in the 80's could effectively be multi millionaires today if they knew what would happen in the future. Even you, OP.
Now let me guess, you've got student loans and no job to show for it outside shilling for Hillary Clinton. Maybe you have a communications degree but you owe the banks anywhere from 50,000-100,000 thousand dollars. Judging by the leaks we've seen, you're being paid anywhere from $10 to $15 per hour to post garbage.
Do the math, dumb ass nigger and figure out how long it'll take you to pay back your worthless degree's price.
If you had just sat at home and jerked off instead of going to school you'd have been better off.
Mason Richardson
It' completely disposable, mid 20's, middle class income.
I'm thinking bitcoins or gold.
Leo Bell
Because you are not acasually doing anything productive you make a living. You are just a parasite on the real economy.
Ryan Smith
Now explain what a Chapter 11 filing is and how it is typically used.
BTW, 3 of the 4 entities that he filed Chapter 11 for are still around today as viable businesses.
Carson Smith
1) this argument assumes he started with 200 million dollars from his father's company, which is not true. The 200 million inheritance was only passed on when his father died in the late 90s (after trump was already a millionaire), and was split 5 ways between the siblings
2) it underestimates his worth
3) it doesn't take taxes into account
4) it doesn't take into account all the money he's spent during the past few decades. Even ignoring all the above points, for this to work, Trump would've needed to lock up all his money in the stock market, reinvesting all dividends rather than spending any on himself, live in poverty for 30 years, and THEN finally withdraw his money now. Compare that to the cumulative wealth that's passed through him and his businesses during this entire time. Think about all the money he's spent on lavish things and name brand recognition and all sorts of stuff and STILL has billions.
5) if it were this simple, then nobody would do anything and everyone would just put 100% of their money in stocks, and everyone that had a million dollars in 1980 would be a multibillionaire today. But obviously that's not the case.
Bentley Martinez
>possibly volatile I think you're clueless about investing. Stay poor.
Christian Johnson
>The casino was inaugurated by its then-owner Donald Trump in 1990, and was built at a total cost of nearly one billion dollars. Restaurants at the Taj include Dynasty, Il Mulino New York, Moon at Dynasty, Robert's Steakhouse, and Hard Rock Cafe. It is also the home of Scores, the country's first in-casino strip club.
>The Taj Mahal came to the brink of closure in 2014 as its parent company went through bankruptcy, but ultimately remained open under the new ownership of Icahn Enterprises. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Taj_Mahal
Luke Ross
>acasually *actually
Samuel Hall
>Politi(((fact)))
Blake Stewart
If only Trump had a crystal ball. Anyone who doesn't see how disingenuous this "point" is, is a fucking idiot.
The safer, better strategy is clearly to start your own company, and not just gamble with your money. If he successfully gambled with his money he'd just be another generic wall-street money manipulator, he wouldn't value hard work, he wouldn't be running for President, and you'd still be criticizing him, just for a different series of reasons.
Liam Edwards
Hillary Clinton invested in the stock market back in '78 and made a killing. Trump struggles to break even.
Jaxson Myers
As this user said You aren't making money. You're just getting it through others'.
In Sup Forums speak, it's close to the rich equivalent of gibs.
Julian Johnson
Gold is for hedging against a market downturn, thats what it is mostly used for. $10,000? I recommend a a mix: couple of dividend paying stocks which pay a reasonable dividend and did not stop paying it during the 2008 crash. Mixed with some diversified stocks and mutual funds which target specific sections of the market
Julian Richardson
So he should have instead risked it with index funds?
Anyway, you go ahead and start up 109 businesses and tell me how they're doing in 5 years
Colton Scott
Yeah, they never got the amount promised. Which should not be a surprise.
Trump just talks big.
Jaxon Green
There are businesses other than hedge funds and you can be successful in any of them.
Josiah Taylor
>retards not understanding how stocks work
1) i'm inclined to believe his claim that he's worth $10 billion 2) even if the claim were true it assumes that he would have never taken anything out which WOULD HAVE MADE HIM DEAD BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BUY SHIT WITH REINVESTED DIVIDENDS
>>A good business man does better than the market. >>A normal business man does as well as the market. >>A bad business man does worse than the market. this isn't how shit works you pretentious shill.
try starting a business and see how hard shit it and reflect on the fact that Trump has started literal hundreds and only failed a handful of times. here's a fun fact for you, 90% of startups fail and he has an over 90% success rate.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>politifact you should seriously consider suicide
