Friday the 13th General

Last thread hit the bump limit.

So, I decided to dig out my copy of the book Crystal Lake Memories and dump random facts from the series, starting with Part 9, Jason Goes to Hell.

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Bumpin'. Production notes on GTH are hard to find.

Jason takes Manhattan is underrated

Kari Keegan, the actress who played Jessica Kimble in Jason Goes to Hell, lied to get the role as the main girl in the film. She told director, Adam Marcus, that she would do a nude scene, which was part of the description for the job in the slasher movie. However, when it came time to do the scene she refused and accused Marcus of sexual harassment, saying she never agreed to a nude scene. She caused a huge stink about it and wore dixie cups over her breasts during the intended scene so Marcus couldn't lower the camera too far. She also walked off the set and demanded he be removed as director during the last couple days of shooting.

Is it 1989?

You clowns are aware this is the worst horror franchise, right?

The Halloween sequels are way worse than Friday the 13th.

They gave him a cool, slimy look and a yellow-ish mask that I really like.

Quote from Adam Marcus:

> It had been a very long road with Kari. There was this whole situation with the nudity that was, in my opinion, very underhanded. I didn't feel she had been straight with me upfront that she wasn't going to do any, that she didn't want to. Even after we started shooting it, if she had gotten cold feet and just had talked to me about it, it would have been a different situation.

>what is Paranormal Activity

Is it? Because Jason works when he's in isolated places away from the authorities. When he's in the middle of 1989 Manhattan, that kinda ruins what he is.

I mean, say the final guy and girl just stayed in the middle of those crowded streets, would Jason really kill them in front of all those people? The NYPD would be on his ass so fast that he'd be nothing but a greasy smear on the streets.

1993. And it's shocking that it's production values look worse than 80's ones.

You know, there's something I noticed after seeing a lot of movies made in 1989. There's definitely a tone and aesthetics shift once 1990 rolled in. Compare 1989's movies to what was released the next year and even 1991. I can't put my finger on it, but horror, comedy, and other genres from 1989 stand in contrast to the early 90's releases.

Friday the 13th is stupid campy fun all the way through.

Halloween got straight up retarded, and so did Nightmare. Pinhead went to fucking space.

And let's not forget Puppet Master

Wow, what a fucking bitch. No wonder her career went nowhere. If she didn't want to go nude, no problem, but doing that sort of shit burns your bridges.

I agree, but I have a soft spot for Halloween 4 and the Director's Cut for Halloween 6.

Oh yeah, he definitely looked terrifying in that get-up.

Kari Keegan:

>The whole nudity thing got really funny, in an uncomfortable way, because Adam assured Sean Cunningham that he was going to get me to do a nude scene. I had spoken to my agent about it beforehand when he first sent me in. I said, "I don't do nudity."

>When all is said and done, my parents have to see this. And you're going to be on film for the rest of your life.

>Pinhead went to fucking space.
Unlike Jason?

Yeah Jason Takes Manhattan is pretty silly. He goes terminator mode for no real reason, only stalking the main characters and ignoring everyone else. I guess the whole joke is that late 80s NYC was so shitty that Jason wasn't seen as anything out of the ordinary by onlookers.

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>Pinhead went to fucking space.
I only saw the first 2 Hellraiser movies because I loved Kirsty's character. Glad I avoided the sequels.

>Puppet Master
That's a film series I need to watch when I get the chance.

>Nightmare
It had its share of good films. I really enjoyed Dream Warriors and New Nightmare. I sorta liked some of the ideas that Freddy's Dead tried to utilize, but it could've been better handled. Freddy vs Jason was interesting solely for the prologue intro. I really wish we had a Freddy origins movie where we saw him as the Springwood Slasher; a twisted serial killer who was just a human being that preyed on children. If you had it done in the style of Se7en and Zodiac, it'd be kino.

>I guess the whole joke is that late 80s NYC was so shitty that Jason wasn't seen as anything out of the ordinary by onlookers.
Which I get because I actually grew up in NYC in the 80's and early 90's. Kids today would be shocked if they were shown what a rat-hole Times Square was in 1989. They had porno theaters and the crack epidemic. Not to mention all those homeless dudes that sprayed your windshield without asking and smashed it if you didn't give them a dollar.

F*ck yeah, Kari Keegan is based. F*cking perverts want to use her just to see her br**sts and sn*tch when she's in the field of acting (not pornography). Haha, and look who got the last laugh. Friday the 13th movies are a total joke today.

>what is Saw

Jason makes sense in Space. He's a killer, he can kill anywhere.

Pinhead is all about psychological horror, he looks dumb in space.

Where were they even going to have a sex scene for her? Goes to Hell really upped the nudity quotient though. Easily the most graphic sex scenes since Part 5.

The weirdest thing for me is that they replaced Jason's iconic noise with a weird, ghostly laugh. Check out the shot with him climbing the anchor onto the cruise ship.

Alright some more trivia on Jason Goes to Hell. During production, Sean Cunningham, the producer demanded Jason not be in the movie, particularly his hockey mask. Sean had directed the original Friday the 13th and had just gotten the rights back and hated Jason as the killer. So, this forced Director, Adam Marcus and Writer, Dean Lorey to come up with the idea of body swapping. Early drafts featured Jason's brother Elias pulling Jason's body out of Crystal Lake and then disecting his body and eating his heart. Rumors to this day state that this wasn't just early drafts, that lots of cut footage pertained to this Elias Voorhees idea and Sean fucking up the movie. It's been long alleged that after an early screening with a disappointed test audience, New Line demanded reshoots and Jason be added back in. As part of this rumor, Marcus and Lorey supposedly could never give an official comment due to a contract agreement, but what is known fact is that the film after the test audience screening was cut down to pnly 45 minutes of usable footage and Adam Marcus was removed from editing.

>Jason makes sense in Space.
This is seriously something you just said.

She has a shower scene. She was probably supposed to be nude there.

Goes to hell is easily the worst Friday.

I can see Jason in Space. It's stupid, but in a fun way.

I can see Jason doing any number of stupid things, but Pinhead isn't supposed to be dumb horror

Some shitty game just came out so now we have to endure these shill threads.

It's a pity that Final Friday was set in 1993. I think the 90's Friday the 13th film should've been in the late 90's. Especially after Scream in 1996. I'm willing to bet we could've seen a Jason film that explores and deconstructs the unstoppable killer convention as well as clever meta commentary. Not to mention actually have ALL the characters act logically and not run around like retards. Even despite being level-headed and doing all the right things, it doesn't matter because that's how fucking scary Jason is. He's a zombie Terminator and will not stop.

Why did he even leave Crystal Lake in the first place in that movie? What was his endgame?

Friday the 13th threads were a pretty common thing before the game came out. Don't like it, don't post in it.

The ship drifted into his lake, and he got mad and attacked the boat

The real question is how do you get to New York from a fucking lake?

Sean Cunningham in Crystal Lake Memories:

>It was a disaster. I didn't think about replacing Adam until we were in the cutting room, at which point he had done everything he could do, and it became up to me and the editors, and Dean Lorey tobtry and turn this "thing" into a movie. We cut the film down and we were able to salvage 45 or 50 minutes out of this 105-minute cut. And it was still the longest cut I'd ever seen. It felt like it ran for four days. And we went back and we shot footage and inserted it. We took it from something that was unreleasable to something that was okay.

No they weren't

I'm actually surprised they exhausted every single idea in the Friday franchise except turning Jason into a good guy like what happened to Godzilla.

Fuck off retard. Who gives a shit if the game renewed interest in the movies? We're not talking about the game so this thread is completely on-topic.

They did that, it was called Freddy vs Jason.

Jason was basically the good guy of Freddy vs Jason, so whatever

Nah Jason was just the 'less evil' guy compared to Freddy

And Godzilla is the less evil monster

No Godzilla literally became a hero fighting to protect earth. The puppets in Puppet Master turned into heroes too eventually.

It's a bad game and I don't want any anons getting tricked into buying it.

I'm planning on pirating it when singleplayer is finally added

Does it mention anything about Hodder pissing allover the other actors trailers

More Jason Goes to Hell info:

>Early drafts if the script had a flashback scene with Jason's mom fucking him as a child. Adam Marcus and Dean Lorey thought it'd be edgy and dark.

>In the original cut, Jessica and Robert the trash TV guy, were not a couple. It was changed during edits and reshoots when Sean Cunningham took the movie away from Marcus, resulting in weird moments where it looks like Jessica doesn't care about her mom's death.

Everything is a shill thread to you game of thrones fags

Freddy wanted to kill kids and torture people.
Jason, even his mom, essentially just wanted people to stay the fuck off their lawn.

Jason is cranky, but ultimately not evil.

Pinhead makes more sense in space, honestly. I'm not going to defend that Hellraiser movie, but the cenobites aren't locally bound like a normal monster, since they can manifest wherever someone uses the puzzle box. Likewise using "hell" in a science fiction setting can work well, e.g. Event Horizon. Again I'm not defending that movie, just speaking hypothetically.

Yeah but Jason kills a lot of people who had never set foot at Crystal Lake, hell he even killed the caretaker responsible for taking care of his own mother's grave

So what really happened with Chris in Part 3? She gets attacked by Jason, blacks out and then wakes up in her bed with no memory of what happened. Implied rape?

It's a fun game. It just needs some polishing and more content. Go back to playing huniepop anime games or whatever you Sup Forumstards play.

Well, that explains why she wasn't in the Crystal Lake documentary. It was weird how only Part 9 and X were missing their final girls.

I will never, EVER forgive FvJ for making Jason afraid of water.

It makes absolute zero canon sense.

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OP here, according to Crystal Lake Memories they were trying to imply rape without explicitly saying it. It was daid that audiences found rape more distasteful than murder.

I think jason was so retarded sex wasnt even on his radar he probably just dumped her out of his woods because mommy was still alive and she would be mad if he was with a girl

That's stupid, but he only seems to be afraid of Water in his dreams, so maybe you could play it off as a psychological representation of things he associates with losing his mom or something.

I thought it was ok it made sense since it was the cause of his constant deaths and even though the lake would ressurect him he was justifiably afraid of it

Then audiences would just claim they were copying Scream.

>Jason, even his mom, essentially just wanted people to stay the fuck off their lawn.

This aspect was kinda lost in the remake but i really liked the idea of Jason luring teenagers into his lair with super-weed.

Yeah I guess her encounter with him presumably took place before he really started his big killing spree in part 2. It's an interesting subplot to the part 3 that just kind of got dropped.

Yeah where did that giant crop of weed come from? That was weird. I forgot about that part.

Someone speculated that this was before Jason's mom got killed so he just wanted to scare Chris and any other interlopers in his woods. It was only after witnessing Pamela's decapitation that Jason pulled off the kid gloves.

Watch the movie thinking Jason was setting up teens regularly and it becomes more platable, i really did not hate the remake desu.

Is there any canon explanation for Jason's survival and hermitage?

Part 3 would have been a much better movie with Vera and Shelley as the leads. They had some genuine chemistry going on.

that's only when the bad movie started dropping like fresh turds (8 on)

Yes, some were killed, but he just wanted to get home.

haven't you ever wanted to kill someone on the highway? that's all jason did. he killed the slow guy in the lowered 95 civic.

Just the campfire stories at the beginning of 2.

Would you watch a movie of a normal guy with underlying urges who finally snapped and killed a young girl, the film would then follow the life of a serial killer trying to mask his tendencies as a normal functioning adult. Then the finally would be the neighborhood rallying up and burning his house, the end credit scene would be Freddy making his pact with the spirits cuts to black and him saying something like fucking bitch.

Alright, some Part 3 trivia:

Jason had an unused face design. During all the scenes where Jason is unmasked walking around in the shadows, his face is that of this unused make-up, which had been designed by Stan Winston. An alternate ending was shot where Chris dreams about Jason killing her which featured this unused make-up.

Not feeling this senpai, then again I hated 3 so whatever.

Reminds me of Goldblum in The Fly.

Keep the trivia comin

you swim you dumbshit

Interesting. Part 3 could have been much more than it ended up being. Here's a short tour of the set with the biker chick. The "lake" was man-made and probably only about three feet deep.
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Part 3 trivia- Chris raped by Jason?

Below is a quote from part 3 screen writer, Petru Popescu, from Crystal Lake Memories:


>The biggest discussions were around what was the exact nature of her backstory with Jason. We talked about a certain type of sensibility and drama--would a rape take the audience out of the fantasy, while killing would bot? We will accept mutilation of the body, but not the notion of sexual penetration. Of course, it has something to do with Amwrica--there's a remarkably Puritanical quality in this country about sex, even though America is totally obsessed with it. However, this is relatively true in other parts of the world, too--killing can be entertainment and rape cannot be. If you see a head roll in these movies, it's okay. It's like play. But if you see someone invaded or soiled--that's not amusing for anyone. So we left it ambiguous.

Why the fuck is it only multiplayer? The fuck happened to releasing lengthy and concise single-player games? Now it seems multiplayer is first and so games come out shit.

Bloodline was great, apart from the same fucking guy playing his descendants. Sure it wasn't just sexual and horrific and otherworldly like the original, but it was enjoyable. I also like Jason X. You can only go so far with a character(s) so at least fun movies like these should be seen with this in mind. Also, it's not like they're god-tier and artistic in an of themselves, they're characters who kill in B-movie-tier series.

Generals belong on /vg/

Here's a location tour for Part 6:
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Jason is asexual.

Dominick Brascia, the actor who played Joey in Part 5 was accused of raping Corey Haim and sexually abusing other up and coming child stars.

Violet in Part 5 had an alternate unused death scene in which she was doing a head stand and gor stabbed in her vagina. The death wasn't used because it looked like she was having her period.

Best Girl

The only good thing to come from the franchise.

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Why weren't there any nudes in Part 6?

I think the director wanted to distance his movie from the sleaze factor in Part 5. He made the right choice I think.

>implying
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Tom McLougglin, the writer/director wanted to get in as much gore as possible. The MPAA ruined some of his more gorey kills and he ended up shooting three different versions of gore scenes as he put it, a PG-13 version, an R version, and an X version. Major cut gore included some extra gore of Jason ripping out the guy's heart in the cemetary and steam coming off of it. There was a gorier version of the girl getting killed in the cabin, where her head gets ripped off with Jason's bare hands. Another involved fully showing the people playing paintball get decapitated. Also the girl in the camper gets her face pushed through metal and then Jason stabs through her face with his knife. He wanted over the top, supernatural kills that no normal person could do.

McLoughlin really went above and beyond for part 6. He had some really good ideas that got scrapped.

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Storyboard showing excised gore.

McLoughlin ultimately shot three endings, two of which, against his expectations, were not included on the film's DVD release. In one ending, Jason's mask floats to the surface of Crystal Lake, having become detached during his struggle with Megan. In another, Deputy Cologne was seen trying to reach the jail cell keys after having been locked in by Tommy and Megan; the door to the police station opens and the film abruptly ends, indicating that Jason had managed to get free. The producers disliked both of these endings, as each one left Jason's survival ambiguous, and wanted it explicitly shown onscreen that he was still capable of returning for a sequel. As a result, McLoughlin shot the film's current ending, showing a closeup of Jason's open, twitching eye.

the girl getting killed in the cabin is totally out of place in the theatrical cut. it is mostly cut but thelittle you see you know its brutal. felt out of place.

plus she was a cutie and nice :(

Tom McLoughlin on shooting extra kills after the first screening:

>Before, she git pulled out through the window and then you never saw whst happened to her until her head rolled out. Now, we added a shot of her head being twisted, pulled up and off. It was incredbly gory--and you saw all this skin stretch and all this stuff in her neck and then it snapped off.

>Elias Voorhees
If they do end up making the TV series, it would be kind of mildly interesting to see what they do with Elias.

even though it's more Jason takes a cruise ship at least its a different setting then the campgrounds we got for 7 movies

They never said it was a head stand, did they? In the doc they said they considered it but it would have been rated X.

Interesting factoid: he became good friends with Vic, his murderer.

Here are my ideas for a re-imagined clean reboot.

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The beginning of Jason X was interesting.

>Focus the story on Government Officials secluding Jason Voorhees at a Military Black Site, with him maskless and in a somewhat five year-old unwashed orange garb.
>And his legacy, his supernatural-like strength and healing abilities.
>Scientists study him.
>Government trains him to kill specific targets, basically programming him to become a weapon.
>Is like a chained pitbull, taught to attack and sniff out undesirables
>Set plan in motion for an Operation to cause domestic terror attacks so an Illuminati-like organization can have a more controlled, in-looking America.
>Illuminati agents are proxies for a bunch of old white suits that meet at a House by a lake where he turns on his handlers and goes after them (who surrounded by an elite security team), I think Jason has to have an equal / a twist with a programmed-like killer who is unleashed on Jason
>Get a great director and some A-list Hollywood stars

That has always piqued my interest.

Tiffany Helm, Violet's actress:

>My original death scrne looked like a gruesome ad for heavy-duty feminine protection.

>I was originally doing aerobics in my room, on my back with my legs in the air, scussoring. Jason comes in and, 'Wham!' He machetes me right up the middle. Well, I thought it was funny. The producers did not. And Danny(the director) did not. They knew that would not make it through the censors.