Who would win in a fist fight between Batman and Wonder Woman if Wonder Woman didn't have her powers/Batman was just as...

Who would win in a fist fight between Batman and Wonder Woman if Wonder Woman didn't have her powers/Batman was just as powerful as her.

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The one that would snap the other's neck

Wonder Woman. Neck memes aside, she is the last opponent you want to face in a 1vs1 brawl

Batman, obviously.

Wonder Woman

Wonder Woman.

She has simply had more training.

>but what would you follow up with?
>unzips dick

>anyone having more training than Bruce Wayne

>anyone having more training than Bruce Wayne
Not only was Diana trained from early childhood, she was trained by Ares. That's kind of hard to compete with.

martial arts fights are never a cut clean to be honest

Batman might have technical skill, but I'd still put money on Diana to win.

Gee, OP. What do you think?

Batman can't compete with comic book girl power, plain and simple.

Cass would beat that bitch raw though.

Do they have gear?

Batman wins if he still gets his tools.

He might win without them. Diana is very trained, but it's hard to train when no one is your physical equal.

She isn't Shiva in unarmed, with a sword she rules, but if you give Batman his tools too, and her no physical advantage, the guy has too many indirect tricks. If it's 1 on 1 unarmed is Diana's best chance, but again, she ain't Karate Kid, it's that level of proficiency that is usually necessary to beat Batman had to hand.

There is something to be said about bringing up your skills without extraordinary capabilities.

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Uh... whoever the writer wants to win, I guess. :^)

I honestly miss the "Brucie" persona

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Batman trained in everything. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to drive, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to throw his voice, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to disarm bombs, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning disguise tricks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to hack computers, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning engineering, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to run a coorperation, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to breathe in space, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to tightrope walk, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to read micro expressions, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to read tracks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning forensics, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning criminal profiling, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning physics, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to fly a plane, DIANA WAS LEARNING HOW TO FIGHT

even if "Wonder" she is still a woman therefore batMAN wins.

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No she didn't. And her training edge is with weapons and based on her supernatural skills

>When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight. When Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight.

Am I missing something?

Hmm, the locks part pasted a few more times than I intended.

See

This is what happens when the generalist fights the specialist.

It is the same training if bruce beat up people every night and push his body to the max?

Batman should be the best fighters in the justice league beside karate kid,

No, because he also spent time learning a thousand other things. All that time Bruce spent learning how to do non-violence related things, Diana was learning violence-related things. She's simply spent more time learning ways to fuck people up. There's only so much time in the day.

He is.

Girl power aside, fighting things that are stronger or equal to you makes you better fighter than training with weaker opponents.

She should be better using weapons.

But usually, hand to hand Batman is below only those who are unbeatable, Sensei, Shiva, Karate Kid, etc.

Here's another for your collection

Why are they in space?

She just can't help herself can she?

Superman gets beaten by wonder woman's magic and amazonian traning
Wonder woman gets beaten by Bruce's dick.

Neither of those things are true.

If Wonder Woman knows every martial art in the history of womankind, why does she only seem to use Greco-Roman wrestling/weapon arts?

Also Bats is used to punching above his weight class and is a much trickier, intelligent and more versatile combatant. He has tasers, knockout gas, batarangs, etc...I doubt his first plan of action would be to engage in H2H with a Sword-and-board-toting Wondy.

The only way I see her winning honestly is if she gets a Batwoman-style power-up through the power of femininity.

It's over, Selina, let it go.

>why does she only seem to use Greco-Roman wrestling/weapon arts?
To make her more visually distinctive.

The question specifically states hand to hand, presumably with no tricks bullshit.

In that instance I would give the nod to wonder woman. Batman's damn good to be sure, but Diana trained with the literal fucking god of war, Kung fu don't mean shit.

I don't follow that logic.

If Diana is so good that on equal footing she would beat Batman, she should wipe the floor with Superman using exceptional martial arts skills on par with Lady Shiva. To beat Batman hand to hand, you have to be in Karate Kid's league. Like nothing short of mute Cass beats him hand to hand, and Diana can wield a sword like no one else, but she has never been on that level, never even demonstrated anything close.

>she should wipe the floor with Superman using exceptional martial arts skills on par with Lady Shiva.

user shes said to be one of the only counters to a superman that goes bad.

In universe people dont think her wiping the floor with supes is all that far fetched thats why almost every superman is evil elseworlds also have WW on his side otherwise the story doesnt work.

Wonder Woman wins for sure.

>anyone having more training than Bruce Wayne

You batfags are retarded. You don't even read your own books.

Lady Shiva and WW are better fighters than he is. Lex Luthor is smarter. Cyborg is a better hacker. Constantine is a better user of prep time.

Face it, Batfag, he can't do everything.

Take the fact Superman is winning 14 to 3 in their fights, for example.

Or Deathstroke. Or Prometheus. Or the KGBeast. Or Ras. Or Shiva.

When Bat Wank isn't infecting the story, bruce has been beaten by less skilled fighters than Diana, so Diana has this in the bag.

>Lex Luthor is smarter.

Ha!

Superman-fags actually believe this.

>Lady Shiva and WW are better fighters than he is. Lex Luthor is smarter. Cyborg is a better hacker. Constantine is a better user of prep time.
>Face it, Batfag, he can't do everything.
They are all only better at one thing each while Batman is good at all of them.

In universe people have given their opinion, but when they fight Wonder Woman gets hurt. The fights don't go very well and depend on her weapons, not any sort of unarmed martial skills. The rope, the sword, hell even the tiara.

Batman/Superman had an evil Super and Batman.

After she impales Batman in a sword, Superman goes in and ends it in two seconds. She basically relied on the bracelets and they shattered.

They talk a lot of shit about it, but no, just because she can be argued to have one of the best chances against him firstborn mean it is a very good one.

They are not based on that skill alone as it would be in this fight.

Name who beat him on skill alone that could be said to be inferior to Diana in skill.

In experience alone, fighting people as strong or stronger than you serves to hone skill much better than training with weaker people, which is what Diana is usually about.

>Batman

Gets his ass beat all the time

>Wonder Woman

Never loses

Gee I wonder...

Wonder woman loses all the time.

To men stronger than her. Guess all that Greek kung-fu doesn't help when the guy is really strong.

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Depends on whether the writer is a batfag or not.

If Wonder Woman lost her powers and had to fight Batman, Batman would probably win because while technically skilled Wonder Woman's fighting techniques have been tailored to benefit her abilities; take those abilities away and there's an adjustment period in which Batman would have the clear advantage.

If you gave Batman superpowers and had him fight Wonder Woman, the same holds true; while Bruce is learning what his newfound abilities are capable of, Diana already knows and has built techniques around their best utilization. In that case she holds the advantage.

>Throat Lock
>I can hold my breath

That shit isn't about keeping you from breathing. It cuts blood to your brain.

WW is better trained but she'd probably only win if it was her book because there are too many Batfag writers

apparently you don't read comics
lady shiva has lost to batman twice
WW is not even considered one of the best MA's in DC
She is just some warrior woman like barda not a skilled fighter in any way that matters without her powers

wonder woman, batman is good but she should trounce him in an even fight.

"jack of all trades, master of none"

>lady shiva has lost to Batman
Because of hack writers overstating his abilities which isbthe very basis of Batgod.

okay so if you want to go by your fanfic interpretation of the universe you might as well not debate at all

Because DC Comics are retarded.

His name is Bruce, pleb.

Batgod is basically fanfic-tier leve of writing.

If we're going by canon then Wonder woman wins because Batman himself admits she's the world's greatest melee fighter.

Yeah, there wouldn't be a fight, he'd just concede.

That sounds awesome, you saved the thread, user.

Which means she is good at disorganized close quarter combat, not that she is the most skilled hand to hand combatant in the world.

Superman isn't involved in this.

Batman knows every single style of martial arts known and unknown to man.
>b-b-but Diana had more training
It doesn't matter, that's the way things are. Batman is the greatest specialist in martial arts in all of DC. And that's completely canon. Also, he's a hundred times smarter than her

melee fighting is using a weapon
not strictly hand to hand

Bruce would win.
Diana's been trained as a warrior but so have plenty of soldiers in plenty of societies. It doesn't mean their style of fighting can counter anything or beat anyone. Batmans whole deal is he trains in like every goddamn martial art. Wonder woman isn't gonna throw anything at him he wouldn't be prepared to deal with.

I thought it was going to be locks all the way down at first and was confused as fuck.

Also that's not even touching on age Diana was training for century's before Batman was even born. (She's back to o old age now right)

It's true Diana's training would have happened with her powers in mind and that might affect her negatively but it would not make much difrenxe

Sure it does.

Diana herself had inner dialogue stating how fights are going badly because she is holding back like she has trained to do.

It's not the same constantly fighting shit weaker than you. Or constantly fighting shit crazier and stronger than you.

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Wonder Woman doesn't have Amazon/God powers. That means no bullet speed reaction times, superhuman strength, or neigh invulnerability

You'd just have a highly trained man at the peak of human physical fitness fighting a highly trained woman (who looks like she skips leg day) that's physically fit.

Yeah, i don't wonder who wins.

Nobody can win when Batgod is unleashed in its purest form.

Depends on the writer

I mean my gut says dude who learned from 20 different masters but idk man those Amazonians are into kinky shit?

I hear they're a island full of women. And if I learned anything from Japan that can only mean one thing

>Throat Lock

This. Has nothing to do with air. The writers should write about what they know. Not what they think they know.

I like how she's snapped her alternative realtiy self's neck not once, but twice.

>Not what they think they know.
then capbooks wouldn't exist

>Batfags are this dumb

Now you see why Martial art in DC is a mess. They will always get fucked over as to not outshine Batman or always one up him in combat prowess. I made a thread about this with last night with characters like Batman holding back Karate Kid and Lady Shiva from going pure Fist of the North Star and Dynasty Warriors in DC. If anyone remembers me.

Sounds like the body weight arguement.

You can do as many push ups till your muscles give out, but you won't get bigger. On other hand you can lift weights and be able to lift more.

Batman may beat up crazies every night but very few times are they are actually capable of putting up a challenge or forcing him to fight better. Comics always show case him as fighting the big threats, but inbetween books he probably has a lot of ho hum crime he breaks up as well.

Read the goddamn comic.

Doesn't Wonder Woman's training involve use of her powers? If her powers are taken away, wouldn't her training not be as effective?

What is this from?

Bullshit. That nigga can even use chi/ki, or smash a island into pieces with one punch. Akuma achieved all of this through hard work and training. That nigga Batman reached his limit.

forgot my pic

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It's more "Jack of all trades, master of a few" when Batman is concerned though. That doesn't mean he's number 1 in anything but detective work though.

>>That means no bullet speed reaction times, superhuman strength, or neigh invulnerability
So, we've all imagined her deflecting bullets with her bracelets, right? 'Cause anyone can do that, right?
Also, there was one story where she was battling an AI that created clones of folks(Barry Allen Flash, Sinestro, Doomsday), and his Sinestro clone sliced through a suspension bridge. WW HELD THE FUCKING BRIDGE UP so people could get to safety. But yeah, no super strength, right?

>detective work

Holmes don't need millions or billions of dollars of equipment and a super computer to solve cases. He is just that good.

He meant that she doesn't retain those powers because the OP stated "if Wonder Woman didn't have her powers."

He's not better than Detective Chimp though. Master of none is accurate.

Take it up with the writers. His title is "world's greatest detective." I personally think he could solve things without the use of technology, but using it makes him find things out faster and with more certitude, which is important when lives are at stake.

Amazons are trained in a lot of shit. Also, for the most part, Wonder Woman holds back when dicking around with others. So, if she's only going 10% most of the time and suddenly that 10% becomes her 100% it's not that off putting

>failing at reading comprehension
OP said she doesn't have superpowers in this fight
I"m listing the abilities she doesn't have in said situation

You're missing that when Bruce was learning how to pick locks, Diana was learning to fight.

This. Wonder Woman might have more combat training but it isn't all hand to hand.

>Diana was learning to fight

No, she was learning how to talk with animals and poetry. Fucking idiot.

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She was trained by the literal God of War. Bruce has no chance.