Ie this actually good or is it just some anti-nazi propaganda?

Ie this actually good or is it just some anti-nazi propaganda?

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its very decent. its a 'what america would look like if the nazi's won'

>The Grasshopper Lies Heavy isn't a book an-
No, thanks!

You mean pro-nazi propaganda? Because in the show, the life in the Reich seems pretty sweet.

It's thoroughly alright.

The book is very good !

>man in the high castle
>anti-nazi
what the fuck you say?

It's good for the wrong reasons. Nazi America is comfy af and you root for the national socialists

>The Grasshopper Lies Heavy
you know thats another alt-history book yea?

Ignore the usual Sup Forums memes. It's a good show - decent production values, good actors (I think this is one of Sewell's best performances) and an engaging plot. Binge it.

Yes. So?

not sure if it was intentional or not, but the nazis were kind of the good guys in season 2

so i'm guessing the implication is the 'alt-universe' their going to isn't ours its the grasshopper one

>Anti-Nazi propaganda.

Seriously? Fucking Sup Forums

Indeed. But, still, they should have a book named The Grasshopper Lies Heavy

I've never watched the show, so which is better off?

The part of America that got RICED, or the part of America that got SCHNITZELED?

hilter probably had one, i am waiting for that pin to drop, who knows what s3 will be though after all the crew changes

oh you want to live in the reich, unless your actually a jap, live in the reich, the japs are racist fucks

If white, live in the Eastern part of the US controlled by ze Krauts. If Jap, live in the other part. If neither, fucking run away.

Does the book or show talk much about life on the Japanese side? What did they do with the millions of white people there? Genocide? Slavery?

It's a bit rough to get into because of the very annoying/stupid characters, but if you can make it to the end of the first season, it's worthwhile.

I'd say it's very roughly on par with Fargo.

yes, season 1 is about the jap side season 2 is about the german side, both show all sorts of things they did, they have split u the world between them with poor ol mussolini getting the scraps

weed is legal in japan america, that's about the only plus living there if you're not japanese. people seem to have better lives under the reich, but it's a shiny coat of paint covering an ugly paranoid society

It's kind of stupid to be honest. There are some things in the show which defy logic, such as the no-man's land between Japan and German controlled America. Why they wouldn't just have a border wall and make use of those resources is moronic. The show also treads a lot of water and not much happens, and it's just full of predictable nonsense. Nothing about the tapes means anything significant either, as there's no reasonable effect they'd have that could realistically change anything.

Worst of all it's just kind of boring. The lead actress is tedious to watch and is just shoe-horned into the show's plot.

I can see why this was a fascinating book when it was written, but it hasn't aged well and the adaptation into television just doesn't really sell it well.

On the west coast, the nips dont really give a shit about differences. If you're not full jap from Japan, you're a second class citizen. They'll let you live there under occupation. The Nazi side only has people of white European descent.

Everybody else lives in the neutral zone in colorado

Actually the book and series align pretty well in terms of how whites in Greater Nippon (US) are treated - they effectively become 2nd class citizens, subservient to the Japs in most social and professional circumstances. If you keep your head down and get on with your (usually) low-level job, you're left alone. You have to endure occasional ID checks and comments from Jap soldiers. You're never going to be involved in public office and in the book, I think you can't be a corporate bigwig. There is a lot of evidence of people being "dissapeared" - effectively trouble-makers, homeless etc, so that's genocide as far as I'm concerned. But no slavery. Either way, fuck living there. Its why so many escaped to South America.

you know one of the tapes changed everything in season 2 yea? getting the tape into the right hands was central to stopping nuclear war

It's kino

Is South America aligned with the Reich?
Are there any free countries left? >nazis side only has whites
So did they literally holocaust all the blacks?

They got bad press for making the Nazi future look like a paradise

>anti-Nazi propaganda
Haha the absolute state of Sup Forumstards. Is the whole Nazi praising and LARPing satire or do you guys genuinely believe in Nazi ideals? Haha

Jesus fuck just read the book it's only 230something pages.

the japanese are pretty oppressive to the americans. think how blacks were treated in the early 20th century, and that's pretty much what the japanese do, but with an iron fist. you can still make your way in society, but you're a second class citizen.
the nazis did this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantropa, which is pretty awesome, and they "colonized" africa in much the same way they did the jews

Thats literally one month worth is reading

I love this fucking image. It's probably 99%+ accurate to what happened on this site. Sup Forumsyps are seriously the dumbest people living

africas population got wiped out or enslaved, the current plan is to flood north africa to make fertile farming land, poor mussolini

Fatherland was much better at depicting what it would be had nazis won the war. there is movie based on it too, starring rutger hauer

>one month of reading
Jesus how slow do you read? That's like 2 days of reading for me

Fatherland is kino. Archangel & Dominion need a film adaption.

Mussolini is not mentioned in the show at all. The world is divided up by Japan and germany

Kek why does the axis bully poor il duce?

I got a notification from Amazon telling me I read 7 books a month on my kindle. a) That's a bit creepy, Amazon. stop it. b) that's a lot. No wonder I'm broke.

There are some neutral states left like switzerland, sweden and spain

I would 100% rather live in nazi-world then the jap one, at least you can get on with you life in nazi land as long as you turn in your sick dying grandmother

look at the map, he's their, just like the book

The Man in the High Castle is sincerely the most pro-Nazi thing I have ever seen on television.

It's like a retelling of the Cold War where Germany has drifted into America's place and Japan into the USSR's, which means the Nazis are the de facto "good guys" to Western viewers.

I think it's important that so many of the main characters are too young to have participated in WWII. There's a manifest destiny element to it where whatever atrocities their forebears may have committed aren't entirely relevant to their own lives, which are safer and more prosperous because of prior brutality. The one major character whose a WWII Nazi veteran is depicted with the same kind of stern mix of ambivalent pride and grief that all "war heroes" tend to develop in real life.

>intelligence is chiefly influenced by socio-economic status
But every black millionaire is a total retard

because they don't care, their planning on building a huge dam that would A: provide an enormous amount of power and B: flood north africa, of course it drains the mediterranean around italy but who gives a fuck, italian fascism is looked down on by both japs and nazi's

>Why they wouldn't just have a border wall and make use of those resources is moronic.
You realize thats exactly what happened between the german and russian border after poland got split up?

you can read 200 pages in a day

its not really pro anything, if the show is allowed to continue you'd probably see a world where the american's won no contest and its just as fucked up if not more, the point I think is people are people and everyone's got a legit point of view

Lmao nerd fuck off to /lit/

thats pathetic, 250 words should be one or two days tops

>its not really pro anything
That's already pro-Nazi by how the Overton window of modern discourse is set.

I cannot think of anything I've ever seen with a premise of "Here's a bunch of happy middle class people having a barbecue in the suburbs on a sunny day under a blue sky, talking about baseball. By the way, the Nazis took over the world."

>Overton blah meh w/e
ew take your faux-intellectualism and pls go, don't care

What?

As is every white celebrity, so...
It's a celebrity thing.

lol

Top tier sci-fi tbqh

> which are safer and more prosperous because of prior brutality

What about the people who were victims of that brutality?

How many people sincerely grieve over the Mayans or the Rhodesians or the Armenians that aren't directly related to them?

They dont exist anymore so who cares?

>Overton window of modern discourse
don't mention that shit in my vicinity again

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huh

>White people are incapable of having feelings for non-whites

Surprise surprise

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>didn't understand anything posted
surprise surprise

>people are incapable of having feelings for non-their people
Nobody gives a shit. Diversity is an illusion.

HAHHAHAHAHA

You're so illiterate you missed "Rhodesians"

The white people that were wiped out by Mugabe

Say that to my beautiful african wife and her son

exept the series focuses on characters and places that are the least bad off. Everybody that isnt white or japanese has either been genocided or is in the process of being genocided. Cultural and artistic freedom is severly deminished even in the reich, and while there are young people who are innocent about the past genocide and can't change what happened and *rebell*, they don't present a proper counter culture, just decadence and they are anti-megastructures. Not to mention killing mentally perfectly fine people to save healthcare costs. Its a world where freedom and the individual don't matter.
Are the characters evil, most are not no, just people. But is the world a worse place to live in even for a white person unless you are 100% with the system? yes it is.

if anything the best thing that the show did was to not make the nazis or japanese into some caricature le evil maniac people and thus highlight the evil that is their ideologies even better.

>I rate Adolf Shitler

exept the scene highlights how none of them are happy at all, exept the children and the dog

>wiped out

They literally just left the country you idiot

What did he mean by this?

>Everybody that isnt white or japanese has either been genocided or is in the process of being genocided
Keep in mind America in 1960 was 90% white and most of the remaining 10% were blacks that no one was overly fond of

>they don't present a proper counter culture, just decadence and they are anti-megastructures
There's actually an active suffragette movement in the Nazi society. Which seems kind of odd in that you know, they don't get beaten or gassed for protesting the government, except I guess it symbolizes that 20 years later the government is softening

>Its a world where freedom and the individual don't matter.
This has been and will always be most of the world, look at China - and their tremendous successes

>its very decent. its a 'what america would look like if the nazi's won'
Not really but it's interesting. Nazi's wouldn't have invaded the USA nor would they have split it with Japan had they done so.

And this is why some people watch it

They honestly just like to sit there and fantasize about Nazis, and completely ignore the story being told in the setting

>tfw hitler is actually one of the good guys in this show

Hitler died in Argentina

Bunch of Jews left Germany too. Holocaust status: Disproven.

still leaves afrika and other places, the loss of that much sentient life is just objectively sad.
i guess the book makes the point better about how the nazi gov is softening up, but no society that goes against the intrests of the individual can ever be permanent or stable

*blocks Hitler path*

Nothing is permanent or stable, dimwit

no he didn't. he's still alive in a robot body, living in his isecret nazi base in the antarctic.

>it's a shiny coat of paint covering an ugly paranoid society
Not really. Obedience and strong moral values are above all else besides country. Degeneracy is punished harshly.

Delete this

Must be lonely up there. I'm gonna try and send him a fruit basket or something.

his portrayal was very interesting. he was a haunted man who only wanted peace after all the horrible shit he was responsible for

*becomes the country that upholds Hitler's ideas into the 21st century*

well, less stable. society is just complex system, and a society that goes against natural human drives can be in an unstable equilibrium at best, while one that is individualistic can be in a stable equilibrium. the kick the system needs to destabilize is just much bigger. thats what i meant

Master race huh?
Really makes you think

Again, a contiguous Chinese state has existed for the better part of 4,000 years and at no point has actually had liberty or individualism

he hops in his nazi ufo and flies to mars a couple times a month to hang out with his martian allies... and he paints a lot.

>in the show
He was always one of the good guys

>lifetime of "freedomloving democracies" is around 80 years at most with tons of democracies drifting into dictatorships
>more stable than anything

I liked this scene

that sounds nice