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how do you become good at poker? isn't it a game of luck?

>I TOTALLY OUT PLAYED YOU

Hellmuth?
More like Hellmouth.

Kek

It's pure fucking luck. Your hand either beats your opponents or it doesn't.

watch an episode of any the hundred poker shows that are on. Count how many hands there are and how many times it goes all the way to the end with everyone showing their hand.

*raises in your path*

>only way get eliminated is in an all-in with your chips where only your cards matter
>only way to win is to be last person standing
>not pure luck
really fires up the neurons

>just sick... honestly... its just sick

live poker threads on Sup Forums were some of the funniest threads I've ever been apart of

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Yeah, bluffing is pure luck and folding when your opponent has nothing is also pure luck.

If it was pure probability then the game would have been cracked long ago. You can count cards but you need multiple people to do it, and to calculate the probabilities of the next hands on the fly. In your head. Even then it only increases your odds of winning slightly. There are an unimaginable amount of combinations of cards you can get. So it comes down to using the cards you do get in the best way to get everyone else to lose. It's a game of strategy and fucking with other people. It's not pure luck.

>I don't understand something
>It's pure luck

The lottery is pure luck. Poker is a game of skill in which luck plays a large role but a good player can statistically play with significant edge, enough so to fund a quite healthy living.

That's like saying slot machines aren't luck, because you can have any amount of money in your pockets before starting. Your cards either lose the hand with your last chips and you're eliminated or you win and can play another hand. It's literally by definition just luck.

Poker is for retards and cheaters

>If it was pure probability then the game would have been cracked long ago.
It has been. They made a supercomputer recently that won against every pro player in a one on one situation. Only 'saving grace' was it currently needs a NASA computer, but later it can probably be ran on home computers.

Ultimately this

>Only 'saving grace' was it currently needs a NASA computer, but later it can probably be ran on home computers.

That's what they want you to think.

what would make it so difficult to run on a home computer?

They aren't powerful enough, yet.

why does a poker game require so much computing power?

Chess can also be won by a computer because a computer can look ahead almost instantly and it has perfect computation/recollection. That doesn't mean chess is pure luck. Not to mention the program you're talking about was two player poker. It only had to account for its cards and those of its opponent. It still doesn't change the fact that it's a game of strategy. A computer is just the strategizing with a speed and on a scale humans can't. There's still strategy involved.

It doesn't.

then why can't the poker game that beat all the pros not run on home computers??

who was in the wrong here?

Chess hasn't been figured out. The current supercomputers can only calculate all remaining moves with 7 or something pieces remaining.

the announcer

>how do you become good at poker?

do erdnase card sharking until the mafia breaks your fingers

You have a lot of questions

There are 52 cards that can be arranged 52! ways in a deck. The decks are shuffled. Every shuffle creates a new combination. So the card you get from the top, the next card, the next, etc are different each time. Each player gets 5 cards, so the computer needs to keep track of the possibilities of what each person has. Though the only cards it knows are in play are the one in its own hand and the public cards that people can use as they need them. So based on the cards it can see it has to calculate the cards every other player has. Then as the game progresses and people lay down their cards, it can whittle down the probabilities of what's left.

Then the computer has to apply all those calculations with a winning strategy. The problem is that there's no one defined set of moves you can do in poker that will 100% result in victory. You have to adapt to every hand. So the computer has to learn how to play the game for itself using neural networks and machine learning. Otherwise humans would have to turn the endless amount of strategies into algorithms and then into code. It would be a very complicated and messy program.

It has to do all this in real time without lagging or taking too long per turn.

the final hand in a tournament is mostly luck. grinding and rounding is a game of skill. a full table in poker is about the skill of reading a player. you spend the entire time understanding your opponents mannerisms towards each hand. if you're a good poker player, you can read a player by not even looking at the player. if you're a god tier poker player, you can read his hand blind by understanding the player past his poker face.

>yes i'm posting it you fags
youtube.com/watch?v=pKzt3DotMCI

I didn't say it was figured out. I said that a computer winning at poker doesn't mean poker was "figured out." The person I replied to said that a computer can win poker against top players so it's figured out.

That's exactly what it means. A computer can now calculate all the moves in poker in a heads up.

So since a computer can win poker it means poker is figured out. But a computer winning chess doesn't mean that chess is figured out?

Nigger why are you arguing for the sake of arguing?

never played before clearly

75% of the game is psychological

Do you faggot actually not know what 'figured out' means in terms of chess? It's been used for decades. Chess is figured out with 7 pieces remaining on the board. Poker is figured out in a heads up. If a computer can calculate all the possible moves (therefore tell you the correct move) the game has been "figured out".

if it was pure luck why do the same handful of people make it to final tables so often?

There are only 2 skills when it comes to poker.
1. Knowing when to fold
2. Calling and making Bluffs.

Mindgames

Its a psychological game

you're a fucking pleb holy shit

>doesn't even know the entire game around raising

You're asking the wrong question

you're not answering the question

it's because you're wrong and don't have an answer

lol you don't know shit about poker

what? even the top 100 in an actually large tournament like the world series is always like 99 different people.

Raising is the same as calling a bluff or bluffing tbqh

>computers base poker on probability
>if the computer has a lower win probability it folds
>if the computer has a high win probability it bets or checks
computers can't be intimidated like a player can. you can bluff a player, but not a computer. the computer has the math behind poker databased, and a player doesn't. unless the computer was absolutely erratic in it's plays, it would be able to be read by a player.

i'm a little peeved no one is posting a link to this god tier poker computer.

...

Bill Hellmuth is how everybody sees EVERY "poker pro"

But to every "poker pro" Bill Hellmuth is the weird autist sperg

wrong

I'd destroy you in a game any day because you don't even know the basics of poker.

>You can count cards but you need multiple people to do it, and to calculate the probabilities of the next hands on the fly.

I thought they would be using several decks of cards now to prevent this

>75% of the game is psychological

ah yes, this line of total BS again. Now sure there is an element of that in game but a retarded monkey could win a world series of poker if they just got a monster run of cards.

it's never going to be a truly skill based game. You can do everything right but still lose. At least the poke fad over all has died down a ton. For few years there it was just obnoxious with how much coverage it was getting.

nah

theres definitely non-pros that make it far all the time and even win sometimes but the last 100 is going to have a ton of pros every time

Please never reply to me again unless you agree with me. You have been warned.

waow. googling sure is hard.
latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-computers-poker-20170307-story.html
learningenglish.voanews.com/a/artificial-intelligence-computer-beats-human-players-by-nearly-800000-dollars/3808995.html
livescience.com/49376-computer-program-solves-poker.html
pretty sure those all about the same program, but do your own fucking googling.

>a good player can statistically play with significant edge, enough so to fund a quite healthy living.

Wrong/misleading.

Two facts:
a good player can statistically play with a significant edge, and lose over either a long or short term due to variance.

a lucky player can statistically play with a significant edge, and win over either a long or short term due to luck.

No you wouldn't.
I know far more than you.

But keep dickwaving on the internet. Wont help you on the table.

>retarded monkey could win a world series of poker if they just got a monster run of cards.

this doesn't happen though

sure someone can be extremely lucky and get great cards but it never lasts and if you fuck up once your entire stack can get decimated

you might just be stupid

*sends you back to Russia*

>walked into AC over the weekend with $270
>walked out with $577
if I didn't tip the dealers/cocktail waitresses or buy that turkey burger I would have had at least 600. I am fucking good. Can't wait to go back.

>all these fags trying that there is no skill in poker

go play 1/2 live.

>sure someone can be extremely lucky and get great cards but it never lasts

Tell that to Jamie Gold

Hey buddy, how's it going... listen come take a walk with me, lets have a chat,

ok. i go play
>won
it was luck
>lost
it was luck
what are you trying to prove here?

>Can't wait to go back.
good. good

why wouldn't I go back? I had a great fucking time. felt like a king every time I left the table. my friends all lost but not me.

its happened plenty of times and every person who wins a tournament runs like god in that tournament

they win every single flip for their whole stack for the entire tournament, that's an event that's going to come up at least 10 times or so

they can win all the small pots they like and remain alive in a tournament but they absolutey must rely on luck to win the big ones and there is no skill required to win the big AK v QQ pfai

check some of the Poker after Darks with gold, he usually gets bullied and rekt by most of the other pros.

seems he does better in big tournaments though

I have an uncle who has been playing, and winning, at live poker for over 40 years. There's definitely skill involved but he told me that only about 1 in 200 players are good enough to win in the long term. He's seen so many cash game players that go on a hot streak or tournament players that win a few big events that after a few years are broke and can't understand why.

>barely doubling up
>good

lmao

how'd you do your last trip?

>going all in with AK preflop

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solved_game

Oh look neither chess nor poker is there. Do you know what "figured out" means? Nope. You just keep repeating dumb shit over and over. Sorry, being able to hook up a printer for your parents doesn't make you a computer expert you gigantic faggot. I was being civil and trying to explain shit to you.

theguardian.com/science/head-quarters/2015/jan/14/poker-game-skill-luck-cepheus-bot-program

cardplayer.com/poker-news/18346-no-limit-hold-em-poker-is-way-harder-to-solve-than-chess

pokernews.com/news/2016/03/heads-up-bots-stronger-than-humans-nlhe-never-solved-24312.htm

Now stop being a cunt and try to learn something. You'll probably just reply with "fake news" or some other dumb shit like the perfect retard that you are.

>player 4bets ai on you with AK in a tournament
>folding

masterplay
show me your ROI NOW

>these fags don't play roulette
Roulette is the best game by far.

id rather kill myself than sit in a casino for 40 years grinding out minimum wage

but if all i could do was minimum wage work its probably preferable to other minimum wage work

>not going for the slots
sonny... I could teach you a thing or two

>asking to get crushed by a pair while you hope for your outs

>watching your money get eaten away before you're eyes
fuck no. My dad is like you and I am not a fan.

>Partially solved games
>Chess
It's in there and literally what I said.
>Now stop being a cunt
>retard
>retard
>retard
Right. I can't help you, if you can't even read.

Don't you DARE speak to me like that

Where did I say he was grinding out minimum wage? Over his lifetime he's won millions.

>folding to anything 4bet pfai with AK in a tournament

its like youve never won a single hand of poker but feel like you can comment here because fish are loud and numerous and winners are quiet and few

>muh sub 50% odds

im sure he has buddy. he must be real good and has been so good his AA holds up in every big pot and he never goes on a losing variance streak. he's actually an outlier like all poker players who are all outliers and there's no losing players.

he just doesnt play big tournaments for $1m+ prizes against fish because he thinks its beneath him right

>AK is 50%

did you know your opponent had a pair? kek
he never has Ax or Kx or air in that spot?

good fold goyim, leave that equity out there on the table, pick a better spot nit

No you said poker was solved, which it isn't. How nice of you to ignore that part you flaming dullard. I never even argued that Chess wasn't partially solved just that your definition of "figured out" was inconsistently applied. The guy who came up with the program you've been touting about this whole thread said his program will probably never solve poker. It's not even for real world poker, just computer poker between two players.

>I can't help you if you can't read

"I'm going to duck out of the conversation now that you proved me wrong"

I can't tell if you're trolling or just really stupid.

thoughts on doug polk?

im smarter than you by a lot, i made my poker money and got out when it got banned

ive won over $15k in 2 online tournaments and countless $5k wins which puts me in the top 99% of players

I'm friends with Tom Dwan on facebook, ama

does he have any hobbies or express any opinions non-related to poker?

i get the sense that guy lives in a bubble of backer money and playing poker all day every day

I literally said chess was figured out with 7 remaining pieces, which it is, and poker (hold'em) is in a heads up situation.

> im smarter than you by a lot,
How nice for you.

As for my uncle he only plays live cash and never tournaments so his edge is much greater and the variance much less.

> ve won over $15k in 2 online tournaments and countless $5k wins

He normally makes that in a week.

I went to Harvard and he came to play in our poker room at my dorm building. Was a lot of fun. This was before he was famous. He had a large role on Party Poker (lol) at the time and was into SNGs. He was super super aggro though, easily the most aggro person in a room of 20 solid players.

Do you guys remember the commercials that said if synchronized swimming got to be an olympic sport poker should be too? What a dumb decade that was.

where the fuck did he go

straight ghosted

He has a ridiculous amount of assets, who would've thought?

Poorfag here
Can anyone share free wsop2017 streams or vids? They went full Jew this year, couldnt watch shit

He would be one of the most successful poker players in the world, and would be known online, whats his name? He sounds like a real stud