Batman v Superman: Ultimate Edition

>9 Days

Snyderkino is coming.

The theatrical release is a shit sandwich. The Ultimate edition has more bread.

enjoy.

>being this pleb

Sort your life out mate.

If they'd released this in theatres it would've been 90% on RT, fuck you WB.

>Being this delusional
Just let it go and hope for Justice League

Except because of you people they've taken it out of based Snyder's hand and want to turn it into disneyfied bullshit like Civil War.

It's already improved drastically with the new DC logo being on it instead of the fucking peel.

Wow, this dog shit is already almost on home media?

>disneyfied bullshit like Civil War

I cried when Cap snapped Bucky's neck.

>I cried when Cap snapped Bucky's neck.
I fucking wish that'd happened.
Or that Tony did it.

Why didn't they torrent the leak? Fucking hopeless.

>Or that Tony did it.

Movie should have ended with Tony sitting on a throne with the charred skulls of the captured Avengers at his feet while drinking a glass as the film cuts to black with In the End by Linkin Park playing

Probably low-res.

I keep thinking that thumbnail is the porn parody.

Will it get a digital release when it's physically released?

Digital release is on the 28th, physical isn't until next month.

Thanks, friend.

I don't care enough about DC live-action stuff to go see it in a theater, but it still seems worth watching.

I bet you liked Civil War

literally KYS

It amazed me how deluded fanboys can be

>deluded
That's a funny way of spelling "realist".

I did.
Go be irrelevant somewhere else.

Civil War sucked hard dude.

According to no one.

>even that South Park game is making fun of DC
kys goys

It was a perfunctory, styleless mess of a contractual obligation. Its plot is complete wank that tries to appear deep by seeming to be about an actual issue, when it's really just the excuse for the fights. Every character in the film acts like an asshole, even the ones you're supposed to like, hell especially them (looking at you Cap). Total crap.

You know you just described BvS, right?

Aside from Cap being selfish about muh Bucky and Vision being a literal autist, I don't remember them being assholes.
I mean, Tony was a dick at the end, but it was understandable.

I know this is bait and all, but for shits and giggles, name one assholish thing cap did besides keeping from tony that bucky killed his parents.

No matter what you fucking autists will always bring up company war bullshit.
Grow up, for fuck sake.

Completely disregard the idea that he should be held accountable to anyone ever.

That's the thing, BvS and CW are 90% the same movie. It's just that CW doesn't realise how depressing and fucked up it is.

...

The thing is, it's only the DC Friends doing this.

BvS was just objectively bad as a film. Editing, dialogue, etc. When people criticize it, they criticize that.

It's the DC Friends who try to paint any criticism as company wars: "sorry it wasn't a quipfest"; "people won't accept it because it's not Disney"; "Disney bribed everyone" etc.

>BvS was just objectively bad as a film.

Do you not understand movies or something?

Yes, that's why I, like almost everyone, found the movie to be defective as a film in a number of areas.

Arguing otherwise is just rabid fanboyism. It was a deeply flawed work whether you're a fan of DC or not.

What's the deep flaws that make it not work as a movie?

He didn't do that.
Even if he did, he'd be right, as anyone available to supervise him was de facto more corrupt than him.

Not that user but we all know you're going to dismiss everything said as a meme.

Shit editing
Shit dialogue
Shit characters
Shit plot

It must have gone over your head because your a blind fanboy though

The second he said "objectively" he was talking out of his ass.

>Shit editing
I can buy the other criticisms as matters of taste, but I refuse to believe that people on Sup Forums know enough about editing to have a reasonable criticisms of it.

>character motivation
>character development
>coherent plot lines
>shit just fucking happens

>What's the deep flaws that make it not work as a movie?

The first hour after the prologue advances chronologically but has no sense of momentum. It's a series of interchangeable subplots that could have been rearranged. I was bored when I watched it.

Lex Luthor is a main character with a schisophrenic motivation, Superman is incredibly understated, has minimal dialog, and is a passive reactive protagonist.

This is the part where you criticize me for not scrutinizing every frame and line of dialog for its deeper meaning, or claim I'm just dumb or ignorant for not recognizing symbolism.

Later I'll reply and mention that i did get the symbolism and was unimpressed, but you won''t reply to that post.

>character motivation
What's unclear about their motivations?

>but I refuse to believe that people on Sup Forums know enough about editing to have a reasonable criticisms of it

The editing was bad, bro.

>The editing was bad, bro.

Real in depth. Totally proved me wrong I guess.

Well, at least we can speak proper English.

When you incoherently jump from one scene to another, it doesn't take a genius to call you out on your amateur editing.

>When you incoherently jump from one scene to another

It's called a "cut", it's pretty basic.

But by that same token how can you claim your praise is informed?

Nothing can save emo superman.

Nothing can save autistic lex.

Nothing can save skinny Wonder Woman.

Nothing can save homeless flash.

Nothing can save cave troll doomsday.

Nothing can save us from Zack Snyder and his cunt wife.

The cut is supposed to assist the progression of the movie, not make the audience wonder what the fuck is going on.

Jesus, am I conversing with an autist? Are you trolling me or something?

I'm Steven Spielberg.

But cuts must remain coherent between one another, let's say you had a scene with Batman fucking up bad guys and cut to Lois Lane going to the Pentagon or some shit.
That's shit editing, because the scenes have no correlation between each other.
BvS has PLENTY of instances like that, and you trying to deny it shows your blind fonboyism going in full effect.

You the one talking like you don't understand what a cut is. "Oh the went from one scene in one place to another somewhere else but the characters never walked or drove there! Absurd!"

If that's incoherence then every movie is incoherent as fuck.

I am not but personally I found there to be a a weird kind of begrudging passivity in a lot of the characters that was necessary for the narrative to do what it wanted irrespective of them or what it claims their presentation to be.
Clark doesn't want to be treated like a god, but he makes no effort to get humanity to accept him as anything else. Bruce wants to defeat Superman, but won't make any effort to research his target independently of what the clearly unhinged maniac is feeding him. Lex wants to prove there's no such thing as gods and aliens suck, but he goes and makes the biggest baddest one yet. Additionally he's a supposedly master manipulator that can't even bribe politicians to get what he wants or cover his tracks well enough to stay out of jail.

>Are you trolling me or something?

Yes, he is. See

3 months of people shitting on it all over the internet, some explaining it really well, and you are still asking?

We're not discussing the definition of a cut, but the correct use of it.

Look, if you're unable to follow a simple conversation, don't bother trying be smart.

>you are still asking?

It's not being done in good faith. At this point, as you note, it really can't be.

Other movies have resets. You snyderfags decided that was a meme though.

Anyway, that troll's pathetic whining aside, what exactly is different about the Ultimate Edition?

The fuck is a reset? Did you just make that up?

Bruce Wayne's ass, Superman actually helps people post explosion instead of immediately going off to sulk, and more unnecessary bullet subplot and how it ties back into Lex framing Superman.

>Bruce Wayne's ass

Sold!

> and more unnecessary bullet subplot and how it ties back into Lex framing Superman.

Fuck. It just digs the hole deeper, huh? That subplot was one of the stupidest and least necessary in a film full of unnecessary shit.

>Extended Nairomi scene that makes sense now.
>Clark investigating Batman in Gotham.
>Africa lady was working for Lex.
>Finch found out that's why she got blowed up.
>Extra Lois investigating stuff.
>Batass.
>Scene of Supes helping survivors after the bombing.
>More Clark character moments.

Basically explains the plot logic gaps and has better characterization.

Establishing shots. They signal a change in location, time, or perspective, and reset the context the audience is given.

Now's the part where you say BUT SNYDER DID THAT or ESTABLISHING SHOTS ARE A MEME or I UNDERSTOOD IT FINE EVERYONE ELSE IS STUPID

It's what leads Lois to Lex. It's more important in the ultimate cut. Also the whole "Why would they frame Supes with bullets" thing is explained. KGBeast burned up the bodies with that flamethrower of his, to make it look like heat vision.

Oh. You're just parroting RLM. Makes sense now.

Right. Establishing shots are a meme propagated by Red Letter Media.

>>Extended Nairomi scene that makes sense now.

But it simply can't.

Sure that was supposed to be Lex framing Supes, but it still makes zero sense that he would arm his mercenaries with experimental bullets manufactured only by him.

It's just shit writing.

>>Finch found out that's why she got blowed up.

Is there an extended scene showing Lex sneaking into the Senate chambers and hiding the piss jar in her desk?

Just stop responding. You know he's not operating in good faith, the definition of a troll. You're only encouraging him when you respond.

>Is there an extended scene showing Lex sneaking into the Senate chambers and hiding the piss jar in her desk?

Why would there be? You already know he did it.

But must they always be used?

Nah man I knew that weeks ago when I realized replies like almost never get addressed. I just enjoy going through the motions

It's making fun of both of them desu

That's a loaded question.
No, there's no rule that must *always* be followed in film, but there are fundamental things that, when you fail to use them or to use them properly, will torpedo a narrative almost instantly. (The Last Airbender is a great example of this. There's nothing WRONG with extreme close ups, but Shyamalan didn't realize that you can't ALWAYS use them. There's a time and place for them.)

Given the sheer number of concurrent plots in BvS, the lack of establishing is a detriment. There cast is too big and there are too many competing plot lines to switch from one to another without contextualizing them and giving the audience that second to breathe before switching gears.

And the thing is, you don't need a film degree to sense something is off when fundamentals like this are disregarded. You won't know why specifically something feels off, but you will notice it. People were confused by BvS's jumping from point to point. That's not because they're stupid. It's because the movie lacks the clarity that narrative resets by way of establishing shots provide. It fails on a fundamental guideline.

You might try to argue that the lack of those narrative resets is intentional to enhance the "dreamlike: quality of the movie, except that it's done with such a heavy hand and so often that it lacks any nuance. For example, jumping from the Knightmare to the Flash warning? That works. (Kind of anyway) Jumping from Bruce to Lois? That's a bad cut. That's the kind of thing that needs a proper scene cap and reset.

But now's the part where you go on about how smart you are and the entire rest of the audience is retarded.

Twenty bucks to make the original ten bucks worth it.

Fuck off, WB. You know exactly the scam you're running.

When you put it that way this kind of reminds me of the Mass Effect 3 DLC.

Here you are just trying to justify your point and disregard what the other poster was trying to tell you just so you can shit all over the movie and this new cut. For fuck sake dude, the bullet subplot did make sense in the new cut. Did you missed the time where a generous user uploaded those cutscenes to youtube?

Eh, WB is a business. They're going to try to make money any way you can, that's no surprise.

Blame the people who made the shit itself.

Hahaha pathetic

Nothing can save emo superman.

Nothing can save autistic lex.

Nothing can save skinny Wonder Woman.

Nothing can save homeless flash.

Nothing can save cave troll doomsday.

Nothing can save us from Zack Snyder and his cunt wife.

2/10 bait

Nope. The bullet scene cant', by definition, make any sense.

It's just retarded. If this was Lex trying to lure Lois in, there are a million simpler, more sensible, ways to do it.

It's shit. Sorry, Snyderfag.

I'm not the guy you're replying to and I haven't watched the new scenes so can you tell me why DOES Lex use bullets that can be easily traced to him?

Because even the most bottom rung of gotham criminals knows to file the serial numbers off their guns.

>there are a million simpler, more sensible, ways to do it.

And Lex never does that, not in the cartoons, not in the comics, he always wants complicated shit.

There's no explanation. Prepare for trolls yelling about memes and Disney.

t. cuck

DCAU Lex did sensible things all the time. If Snyder had copied that it would have been fine.

And that Lex used far fewer piss jars.

Cite some specific examples.
Because while I can think of times Lex has complicated plots, those are usually so that he can have deniability. Which is something this Lex obviously lacks, as he ends up in prison.

That's what bugs me the most. If Eisenlex is as smart as you guys are claiming, how come he got caught?

>Lex never gets caught
He always gets caught.

He's ended up in prison hundreds of times since the fucking silver age

>If Eisenlex is as smart as you guys are claiming, how come he got caught?

Because Eisenlex is literally "What if the posters at /r9k/ had billions of dollars?"

Onlu autists mistake autism for intelligence.

>He's ended up in prison hundreds of times since the fucking silver age
So it should be easy for you to find an example. Yet you haven't
Lex uses plausible deniability. That's why he can effectively run for president and people love him. It's what makes him a good foil for Superman; the bastion of Truth and Justice with a near perfect approval rating can't convince anyone that Lex is a bad guy.

>and people love him
No one loves Lex.
At least not after the first couple of his "Metropolis destroying plans to kill Superman"

It is goddamn obscene that Max Landis wrote a better Superman story than we're getting in the movies.

Then why did he win the presidency?
Heck, let's go with something more recent.
Literally four days ago he was able to do and people in universe were going FUCK YEAH LEX IS A HERO.

Oh but let me guess, this week doesn't count as a modern Lex. It's a meme, right? Because everything you dislike is a meme.

>people actually look forward watching BvS again
I always knew you actually liked this movie, Sup Forums.

Does it explain why Lex let an invulnerable super monster loose to destroy his own city with no way of stopping it?

What exactly was the plan here if Doomsday had killed Superman? Lex had no way of controlling or stopping Doomsday. If the Justice League was his backup plan, that hadn't moved beyond the "get some video and photographs of them" stage.

>Then why did he win the presidency?

Why is Trump a frontrunner?
Lex is charismatic.
That's literally the ONLY thing that seperates EisenLex with comic Lex in the long run.
Both have had horrible plans and have ended up in prison.

Comic Lex just has more charisma.
They're both the same pathetic piece of shit on the inside. Which is why I liked this Lex.