Pearl Harbor:
2,403 killed
1,178 wounded
Hiroshima:
129,000 dead
Nagasaki:
246,000 dead
>We nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avenge Pearl Harbour
80% of burgers really believe this, they really do, most stupid people on the planet.
I mean just two months after Pearl harbour you already killed more japs than americans died on Pearl Harbour.
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they had suicide bombers just like the muds
america proved you can bomb an ideology into submission
god bless america!
To be honest the world woud be better if Americans also nuked China in the Korean War, it was a mistake not to do it.
We entered the war because of Pearl Harbor. We nuked them because they refused to surrender. 80.14728926% of burgers know this.
With such one sided presentation you could be a CNN newscaster.
By the time Dec 1941 rolled around, the Japanese had slaughtered untold numbers in China, 300,000 in Nanking alone. There is no telling how many in Philippines and other conquered territories / island chains.
They got exactly what they gave.
A lot of people claim it was to avenge Pearl Harbour and what I mean is that you already avenged that the first months of the war.
No, because then it would have been WW3.
Talk shit, get hit.
the war was already 'over' when you nuked them , specially the 2nd nuke
is that a real video of the bombing? are there any videos of the kamakazi pilots flying into shit?
How so? Chinese didn't had nukes till 64
>I mean just two months after Pearl harbour you already killed more japs than americans died on Pearl Harbour.
>I don't understand the purpose or intent of war
You're supposed to kill more bastards on the other side, than you're supposed to lose on your side. You're not only supposed to match casualty for casualty, but you're expected to cause exponentially more casualties than your enemy.
>inb4 muh civilians
Collateral damage.
We did the atomic bombings to prevent an entire full scale invasion and continuation of the war.
Japanese government was just asking to be destroyed with how it treated its own citizens.
In the end, the lesser of two evils.
Russia WAS working with China in their support of NK vs South and US. They did it like China and basically though a proxy war. You can't fuck with China and not Russia at that time. Russia would have jumped in and they were already at that time developing their own. U.S. didn't have that many, so a full conventional war alone wouldn't be suppressed by whatever nukes we did have.
>We did the atomic bombings to prevent an entire full scale invasion and continuation of the war.
Exactly I understand that, that's what I'm saying, americans should all come with this answer but most people just say "muh pearl harbour revenge" I mean in that movie Hollywood made the president says "they attack the heart of our nation" I mean how can any american claim that? Hawaii the heart of America? It was a colony in the middle of the pacific to force project in Asia, it was a legitimate target.
WHAT the fuck are you talking about ? you do realise that you nuked japan and not china ?? you do realise that china & the soviet where your allies right ?
>italy surrender in 1943
>germany surender in april 95
>you nuked in august
why ?
>april 45 , my bad :D
>We nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avenge Pearl Harbour
No. We nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing 400k people to prevent an estimated 10 - 15 million dying(1 - 2 million estimated American troops included) from Operation Downfall. In fact, the USA manufactured so many purple hearts in preparation from Operation Downfall that it hasn't had to mint even a single one since.
I usually out of emotion spew that same defense line. Revenge. Feels good to say it because as long as I'm alive I don't think I'll ever be able to think of Pearl Harbor without a bit of anger surfacing. I just like to get that out of the way and then I would easily discuss the actual reasoning and strategy of it all. I would think most Americans feel the same emotionally and the ones that don't explain probably haven't taken the time to read about the ACTUAL reason we decided to do it.
>To be honest the world woud be better if Americans also nuked China in the Korean War, it was a mistake not to do it.
Follow the conversation from this point
It's better to hit your enemy harder, than to bend over, spread your ass cheeks and take their cock like most of Europe is doing now.
But of course, since your ancestors took that brown arab cock, you arab rape baby, being an apologist is in your genes.
Cure your Stockholm syndrome, faggot.
Aaaaand fast forward to today.
It's just propaganda speaking.
Americans are usually uneducated on WW2 and WW1, and what little they do know focuses purely on the US's side and excludes any of eastern front.
Teachers most likely just went along with whatever the kids said which in turn validated incorrect beliefs.
Most teachers fail to tell students the actual narrative of Pearl Harbor, which was the culmination of long negotiations between both countries. History has it written that Japan did not declare war, but in actuality they did. Of course Americans have incorrect beliefs, I mean this is a country that willingly is manipulated by clickbait journalism.
The 2 nukes were purely a tactical decision, and are not "revenge" for Pearl Harbor. Japan refused to surrender and was willing to fight down to the last man. US saw how Japan was manipulating it's people and dropped the nuke to destroy morale. Mind you, there was only ever supposed to be one. If the Japanese government had not refused surrender, both Hiroshima and Nagasaki would never have been destroyed.
Mind you, Americans were also stupid enough to be hanging up nazi flags outside their house 5 years after the war ended because they seriously thought the Nazis would invade.
>Americans were also stupid enough to be hanging up nazi flags outside their house 5 years after the war ended because they seriously thought the Nazis would invade.
This sounds interesting, source on it?
nah its just a nuke test ill dig up a vid of the true bombing brb
>Vietnam
>Japanese government was just asking to be destroyed with how it treated its own citizens.
Is this the fabled messiah complex?
>We nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to avenge Pearl Harbour
You're a fucking idiot.
No American thinks this is why the atomic bombs were dropped. Read a fucking book you Spic dimwit.
Don't initiate offensive action if you are not prepared to suffer the consequences
lets not be retarded spanibro, that would cause another world war that we would take a shitton time to recover from.
and that would beat the purpose of "defeating communism".
>most stupid people on the planet
Most people only learn what they are taught,not everyone looks at the bigger picture.
The fire bombings of Tokyo killed more people than both Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
It's a shame because the Japanese considered it dishonorable to bomb civilian targets.
Winston Churchill was a war criminal and was first to suggest unconventional bombings on civilian targets.
then hitler shouldnt of bombed our chippys m8 :)
Source was my grandfather who was born in 1940's.
I don't have a legitimate source to validate it though, but from what I know it is true.
thats a test, theres tonnes of kamikaze footage ive seen in various docos
It was literally one plane that got lost and accidentally bombed the wrong target. There's a big difference between trying to kill civilians and accidentally killing civilians.
Your jewish loving fat fuck PM used that one bomber to justify killing thousands and thousands of innocent civilians.
Your grandparents fought WW2 and now you choose to be cucked.
Because a single american life is/was worth countless foreign ones. Would rather see cities burn than a house with an american family burn.
Or that's what I used to think anyway.
>I'm not cucked though because my parents never fought in ww2
The war was becoming an unprofitable venture
Even moreso when looking at projected casualties
Hirohito was also insane and we likely would have had to wait until his own people got fed up with the eternal war and one of them fucking ran him through, fuck's sake I think Tojo might have done it himself if more banzai cliff incidents occurred, if only to keep his honor.
Nukes are p. good at making people not want to fight anymore.
>Italy surrendered.
>Germany surrendered.
Japan refused to surrender, so they got their shit metaphorically pushed in via atomic bombs.
Are you a White?
Nice try idiot. We nuked them because it would have been a long hard battle to take over Japan and many more would have died on both sides. Look at the aftermath retard, we actually helped them rebuild and their one of our greatest allies and washed away with fanaticism with their surrender. I could understand the US bashing if they took advantage of Japan after their defeat, just like the Soviet Union did to East Germany. Try harder next time Spic.
The revenge wasn't about killing a equal number of nips.
Japan launched a sneak attack against a country that didn't want to go to war and brought them into an extremely bloodly world spanning conflict that lasted for years.
Killing an equal number of them as American's that died at Pearl Harbor wasn't going to cut it.
no
>Pearl Harbour
They attacked many more US places
It should make you fear Americans. The common American thinks 350,000 dead is the minimum revenge justified for something like Pearl Harbor. Look at all the deaths after 9/11. Don't fuck with America. We will fucking murder the shit out of you and your children.
>Hirohito was also insane
Hirohito literally didn't have any authority and had no control of ANYTHING in the war, dipshit. The military fanatics had already been in charge of pretty much everything in Japan for decades.
The reason why Japan was so fucking crazy was because of gekokujo which literally means "overthrowing or surpassing one's superiors" and is seen as a honorable and good thing in Japanese culture. This led to so much fighting within their ranks that it became the crazy shithole it was.
Den don't worry about it, kid.. Dis ain't nuffin you wanna be a pawt of.
not worried
In addition
>Later centuries used the concept of gekokujō as justification for junior and mid-level military officers engaging in principled disobedience if they were motivated by moral principles. This happened in Manchuria and Tokyo several times during the 1930s. Army officers engaged in provocative attacks in Manchuria in attempts to create justification for seizing territory from China. In Japan, ultranationalist military officers led waves of assassinations against political and business leaders to “purify” Japanese society of the corporate and political party influences that they believed were preventing Japan from attaining its rightful place among nations through Asian expansion.
Was is the Bataan death march, what is the raping of China and Korea?
>raping of China
Nationalist propaganda
>korea
Comfort women were WHORES
2 nukes not enough
And yet you had massive portions of London in ruins because of the blitz
Fuck them, no such thing as civilians in war time
Soviet Union had a vested interest with China and Korea.
>oy vey goy screw ethics you must kill everyone you see for the triumph of Israel...I mean Europe
It was to make Japan surrender to USA instead of USSR.
All this talk about nukes "winning" the war yet no mention of the two million soviets pouring into Manchuria on the morning of August 9th. I think that did a lot more than two more destroyed cities, which was just added to the already 100+ devastated cities and towns.
>muh purple heart
Most Americans are dumber than dogshit.
Seriously, its gotten so bad I believe in absolute authoritarianism because almost no one in my daily life can critically think.
With regards to Japan, it was a mistake. The whole war was a mistake. Our punishment for that mistake is the modern western world.
Yeah because the Germans are so careful not to kill civilians
Fuck you, Hitler was an idiot expansionist and that's why he lost
Well if they surrendered sooner they might still have their faces.
Wars don't end when one side starts to lose just like the 7-1 wasn't over at half.
They couldn't even agree to surrender after the second nuke and USSR declaring war. The Emperor had to step in and try to convince his people to stop being retarded. His own people tried to kill him over it.
>you have to kill the same amount or it isn't fair!
no one believes this
Atomic bomb had nothing to do with Japan. Tokyo firebombing killed more than both nukes. It was political, to show Stalin we had this fucked up weapon which meant we could harness nuclear energy. It was literally just to prove to Stalin he wouldn't get his grubby Georgian hands on Japan. Think about it, we had aircraft carriers and long range bombers we could've just performed airstrike after airstrike and bombed Japan into submission with conventional weapons. But this was a display of the US governments power. That's why it's still taught to kids in public schools as the most important event of ww2 because America flexed it's scientific nuts on the USSR
>it's fair to take revenge for an attack on legitimate navy targets with an annihilation of urban populations by nuclear blasts or plain firebombing
>doing it all just to swing the big stick and scare the Russians
So? We could've gotten the war over and done with.
No it wasn't. The war ended wen they surrendered. It's their fault for not surrendering unconditionally before then.
"SUCK OUR DICKS" -America
>In fact, the USA manufactured so many purple hearts in preparation from Operation Downfall that it hasn't had to mint even a single one since.
Got a source for that?
> Hurr durr muh "victumz"
You fuck with 'Murica, you get fucked by 'Murica. Slit-eyes should have known better. Same goes for the sandniggers and the other trash.
japan should have surrounded sooner. blame japan, not usa
I think it worked pretty well. The japs have been pretty docile ever since.
>War is about killing equal amount of people on both sides
spanish people are retards
it's a pretty shit go to target and bomb civilians including all of their hospitals.
but you have to admit it got the point across
Japan got literally BTFO
That was part of the reason. As far as I understand, the decision to drop the bomb(s) was because
1) fuck the nips. We already knew about the Bataan death march and all of their wartime atrocities
2) the atomic bomb was developed with the intention of being used in the war, Truman was just carrying on legacy when he "made" the decision to use it
3) nevah been dun befo
The outfall of waving our huge dick in the face of Russia, who was posturing for a land invasion of Japan, was more or less a convenient side effect.
and fuck them up for generations to come
them being cucks and weird subs sexually with rape and tentacle porn and shit
Murica did a real number on japs
every american life is worth a thousand gook shitskins
god bless the USA
We got the PS2 out of it so ultimately it's a win for everyone.
Japan was already into tentacle shit before WW2
They dropped the nukes because they believed that invading the Japanese mainland would cause too many American casualties. As they learned from having to clean every damn island from Japanese occupiers, that the Japanese would fight to the bitter end and take a lot of American lives with them.
Bombs were dropped to prevent Soviet Russia from invading Japan, they had 1.5 million army in Manchuria ready for sending the filthy Japanese military politicians and emperor to a nice vacation in Siberia. As always, 'Murica prefers to kill innocent civilians and save the real criminals, so they took all the Japanese's Mengeles and brought them in the US or let them run pharmaceutical companies in Japan. As for high ranking politicians and militaries that killed 30 million Chinese people and in estimated number of other Asians, they lived in peace in Japan ruling the country to this day.
Japan capitulated before the bombs were dropped.
They dropped the clue at bomb to end the war you retarded motherfucker not to avenge some gay ass attack. They bombed Tokyo to avenge pearl harbour.
Japs should be thankful for the atomic bomb, the Americans were In-between continuing the fire bombing campaign on a larger scale or a land invasion. Both options would have taken millions of Japanese lives.
Nobody forced Japan into that war nigga. They attacked first, why are Americans supposed to feel bad for winning the war?
Spaniards retarded as always.
Agree
>Nobody forced Japan into that war
Depends on how you look at it, Japan was forced to choose between war and letting their empire wither and die with the continued embargo of that sweet sweet American oil. They never planned to win a war with America, just bring them back to the bargaining table so they could continue kicking a bunch of tiny islanders.
No it doesn't depend on how you look at it. Japan had the same mindset as Nazi-Germany. It was a stupid move to attack the US and they got what they asked for.
Japan didn't have to join the Axis. They became greedy fucks.
Sage-ing all shill threads
Real answer is that nobody fucking cares.
More nips died from napalm than a-bombs
A-bombs were about demoralizing the citizenry so they'd stop following their god-emperor to death.
Long live Trump!
May shillary's blood run thick enough with hate to clot and kill her, amen.
Firebombing them would have been more devastating, but not as shocking.
They tested the nuke and also showed it to Stalin, because they already knew that the Cold War was coming.
Also fuck the japs. They destroyed Manila and all the hispanic monuments in Phillipines because they still were pissed with the spaniards because of the Cagayan battles (seriously?).
Fuck the japs and fuck the yanks.
Bombs were dropped to save Japanese establishment from being sent to gulags, and kill some innocent civilians instead. Classic Zionist/American tactic
You're right, wasn't justice enough. Should have nuked them again for good measure.
the military command*
I've never heard anybody claim that. why do you care about what happened to a bunch of incinerated ant-people, weeb?
>HITLER was bad
>therefor its okay to deliberately target civilians on a mass scale
its fuckin hitler man. what, you gonna point at OBL and say "See? Its okay to fly planes into buildings! OBL did it!" next?
your nigger problem is much worse
out immigrant problem is getting better with new laws along with brexit
It wasn't for revenge. It was because Japan had the crazy emperor shit running, and even though we smashed their navy like a saigon trollop they were going to make us take every fucking island by hand.