What is exactly good about the "free" market?

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The gov doesn't control it

It generates the most wealth and prosperity for the most people.

Public sector jobs are paid for with money taken from those same workers, along with everyone else. It's basically a ponzi scheme. Good for getting specific projects done, bad for the economy.

The """"free market"""" or neoliberalism, whichever way you want to refer to it, is the idea that, somehow, people won't be willing to exploit other people for wealth while not placing regulations on shit.

Basically, it only works if you already have your foot in the door.

It's good if you're a third world shit hole with a low value currency. more goods produced domestically and high export rate.
If you're in the U.S. then good paying jobs will dwindle but your purchasing power will increase.

Its works great as long as monopolies and cartels dont take hold of key sectors of production such as energy.

if you see someone's trying to scam you, you can tell them to fuck off and allocate your resources in whatever way provides you the most value

if you do get scammed in a transaction, you can at least take note of that and avoid falling for the same trap in the future

in highly regulated sectors like social security and healthcare - the scammers call themselves public servants, and you have to pay into their scheme year after year, or you go to jail

It gave you the technology to post on here.

> Sell everything to me, goyim.

>The Jews aren't the government
Aren't you a good goy?

The software maybe...

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But hey, you are right. Theres more to america than Trumptards.

>this triggers the commie

>tfw a statist commie has no argument

The free market is an efficient way of running an economy.
Because firms are allowed to fail in a free market and competition is encouraged you often get the best product for the least amount of money. The free market is efficient in the distribution of goods and services. In communism you have central planning and it's horrendous.

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>state
>communism

>Materials for computers are mined by slaves in Africa and China
>Assembled by slaves in Asia
>Whole operation organized by heavily subsidized Silicon Valley companies
>""""""""Free market"""""""

>any form of socialism can exist without central control
What's it like living in the 19th century?

Efficient allocation of resources.
Those producing and selling the resources will know which quantities, what kind, when, and to whom to sell them.

Those buying the resources name the quantities, what kind, when, and from whom to buy from.

Yes, market failures exist. I'm not an ancap.
Yes, they are few and far between.

>anaracho-communism

Just pay my bills already you factory son's owner

Karl Marx's real name was Mordecai, and his family were rich industrialists.

Communism is but a ploy by the Capitalists.

If left completely unchecked, the market is always destructive for society in the long run because it doesnt recognize people's needs or the notion of charity. It works in terms of profit and thats about it.

The opposite is as cancerous as this though. A soviet regime is nothing more than an all powerfull oligarchy that has absolute control over the citizens and all the production means. And no, it doesnt promote equality. Do you really think the average russian citizen has an holliday mansion like Staline did?

The right system would be something in the middle.

free market: evolution via natural selection

planned economy: creationism (but the creator isn't omniscient)

nice meme
le epic XDD
Not an argument.

Son of a few generations of engineers actually.

You know, the class of people that aren't accounted for, can't actually operate in full socialism, but are responsible for all the improvements that capitalists lay claim to.

Nice false equivalency

>the calculation problem is a meme

demonstrate how it's false

not an argument

>is the idea that, somehow, people won't be willing to exploit other people for wealth while not placing regulations on shit
No part of free market theory implies that people will not be willing to exploit each other.

Tell us more, user

"Marx is a Jew and is surrounded by a crowd of little, more or less intelligent, scheming, agile, speculating Jews, just as Jews are everywhere, commercial and banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades; in short, literary brokers, just as they are financial brokers, with one foot in the bank and the other in the socialist movement, and their arses sitting upon the German press. They have grabbed hold of all newspapers, and you can imagine what a nauseating literature is the outcome of it.
Now this entire Jewish world, which constitutes an exploiting sect, a people of leeches, a voracious parasite, Marx feels an instinctive inclination and a great respect for the Rothschilds. This may seem strange. What could there be in common between communism and high finance? Ho ho! The communism of Marx seeks a strong state centralization, and where this exists there must inevitably exist a state central bank, and where this exists, there the parasitic Jewish nation, which speculates upon the labor of the people, will always find the means for its existence.
In reality, this would be for the proletariat a barrack regime, under which the workingmen and the working closely and intimately connected with one another, regarless not only of frontiers but of political differences as well - this Jewish world is today largely at the disposal of Marx or Rothschild. I am sure that, on the one hand, the Rothschilds appreciate the merits of Marx, and that on the other hand, women, converted into a uniform mass, would rise, fall asleep, work and live at the beat of the drum; the privilege of ruling would be in the hands of the skilled and the learned, with a wide scope left for profitable crooked deals carried on by the Jews, who would be attracted by the enormous extension of the international speculations of the national banks."
—Mikhail Bakunin, Etude sur les juifs allemands, 1869

Nobody cares about your opinion, leftypol.

You don't even need to type in the tripcode, anyone can recognize you based on the shit quality of your posts alone.

so i m not obliged to purchase either johnson&johnson or unilever soap?
>lolno you can buy anything you want, its the FREE market
so why is it that 95% of household hygiene items, for instance, that are sold to me are made by these two or their local franchises?
In socialist fucking Yugoslavia I had a larger choice!

Free market? More like free-for-all massacret!

it is humanity's best answer to scarcity. it's not perfect, but better than every other system

It's simple. The calculation problem mostly applies to central planning. If there's no central planning, there's no calculation problem.

What is exactly good about the "planned" economy?

It is the only way to avoid slavery

>because it doesnt recognize people's needs
This makes no sense at all. People will ONLY buy what they want when they aren't forced to spend their money elsewhere. This isn't even economics, this is basic human behavior 101.

Oh, you're just trolling, carry on then.

what a joke of an ideology

>le post explaining how big corporations are actually pseudocommies

Man, that lib's bullshit free market is a ghost, just like communistic utopia. It acolytes go ahead and assume a tabula rasa when then can be none.

It is superior in every single way imaginable to socialism

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>implying slavery isn't right.

i tried to find the source for that table and couldn find any, its something "and negri" and i still get nothing

It's not communism.
Good enough for me.

look at the share of global gdp growth in the past 30 years and telll me whether the larger part comes from supposedly backward, repressed, socialist PRC?

>implying the proletariat isn't enslaved by the bourgeoise

worldeconomics.com/Data/MadisonHistoricalGDP/Madison Historical GDP Data.efp

China's recent growth is directly related to the departure from socialism you dumb fuck

Autism

*tips fedora*

and the Soviet Union was first to space thanks to the free market

Who cares? How is this evidence of anything you subhuman commie autist neckbeard? It means the Soviet Union made the decision to devote a lot of resources into its space program.

>implying state slavery is any better
>implying communism as written isn't suspiciosly reminiscent of Ancapistan with a tweak or two
>implying communism as implemented isn't oligarchy on steroids

(You) are the reason they need to MAGA!

Nice.

Great read.

>Implying we don't just hide our slaves across borders

How?

nah, that was because they had more nazis at the time. their space program fell behind when they started to run out.

Lenincucks are so fucking embarrassing.

See

>across borders
I dont really care about foreigners

It's responsible for some of the greatest technological developments of all time.
Take cars for example

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this is where China ranks on the index of economic freedom, you monogoloids. Meanwhile all eastern European countries, who were deindustrilized thanks to shock therapy are languishing with tiny growth, plummeting population and brain drain. Except Poland, which received probably a trillion deutchmarks in EU shekels, and Slovenia.

That has nothing to do with the Soviet space program. Wtf? are you legit autistic like the majority of cringy larping stalinaboo neckbeard leftcucks?

What is good? Open trade that promotes exactly what people need, and creates the exact jobs that are required by the people

What is bad? free market globalism. Why? BEcause the free market will do whatever it takes to be efficient. And efficiency for a rich nation means poverty and loss of jobs.

I think it's really funny when dumb westerners argue with eastern europeans about why communism is good.

I am just making fun of
>CHINA IS A SOCIALIST SHITHOLE
>UNLESS SOMEONE POINTS OUT THAT THEY ARE GROWING ECONOMICALLY, IN WHICH CASE THEY ARE THE BEST CASE OF FREE MARKET AT WORK

>>>/reddit/

The computer your using to write this thread

Freedom from corruption is really important for competition.

Its usually bad in low-trust societies (usually non-white countries).

I dont really care how many turd worlders our government kills

It solves a lot of very difficult and important coordination problems. Particularly, it ensures reasonably accurate pricing information and reliably removes idiots from decision making processes.

Nothing,

>here's my economic freedom index, all the good countries get extra points by definition
>oh look, my index correlates with good countries, absolute proof that economic freedom is good :)
>hehe when will communist Paraguay learn from ubercapitalist Sweden?

see
norway was historically very free from corruption, but it was a piss poor backwater fishing shithole. until they found oil.

I haven't mentioned the Freedom Index a single time in my posts ITT. Why are you bringing this up? Are you legit autistic unable to follow a simple conversation? Who the fuck cares about the freedom index it is an index created by some think tank.

Seriously why are leftcucks so cringy and autistic?

weird how those scientists they got from the free market did really well when the system was first introduced, but stagnated as time went on, hu?

Let's discuss things we don't know shit about.

t. pol

The system works!

Poland and Ukraine both started out in similar position. Poland removed many regulations, Ukraine didn't.

As long as you give me fair market value, sure, I'll sell it to you.

Only idiots need the government to hand hold them

Why should I?
If they want to put up with shitty corrupt leaders how is it my problem?

no problem Bakunin was a collectivist anarchist i love that quote because it ruffles leftist jimmies so much its also a great fucking redpill

>Freedom from corruption is really important for socialism/capitalism.

>Socialism/capitalism only fails because society is corrupt.

It's not inherent to an economic freedom index.

China is has not been a socialist economy since the 1979 reforms and is liberalising it's economy every year.

The only reason China is a growing economy is the free market reforms adopted after 1979

>Private sector contributes over 60% to GDP
english.cntv.cn/program/bizasia/20130206/105751.shtml

>implying your mom isnt enslaved by my dick

youtube.com/watch?v=JCoZJC6FGfI

Think of it the other way around.

When countries go to war they blockade their enemies trade.
High tariffs are self-imposed blockades of your own country.

You are literally screwing yourself when you take away the free market.

cars were largely under mercantilism.

you don't specifically need free market capitalism for all the fancy stuff, you just need concentrations of wealth to feed into scientists and the faggots have to get out of their way.

Subhuman commie smelly shitskin. Your opinion is irrelevant on account of the shit colour of your skin. Shut up and let your superiors talk

The reason for this isn't free market, it's globalization.

The free market only works in a relatively homogenous society; you can't just >REMOVE BORDERS like the EU did.
The solution is simple economic protectionism.
Back in the 60s and 70s when we had protectionism everything worked much better.

Only highly skilled jobs were worth outsourcing to other countries, and only when truly there was no other competitive option in your home country.
With Polack and Romanian workers earning 300$ a month every unskilled worker in western Europe is fucked.

And of course all the bright Slavs are gonna flee, if they can move to western europe and make 10x what they would in their home country.

If they didn't they wouldn't be fucking bright.

>Private sector contributes over 60% to GDP

aka public sector is 40% of the GDP (FORTY)

It's so baffling that one can do nothing but laugh about that, really.
On the flip side, a lot of russians are fucking stalinist, so...

>"what is exactly good about the "free" market?
>He says to the entire world
>From a computer built by a free market business
>on a Filipino coloring book website that is operated by a free market business
>While sitting at home on his mom's neet money accumulated in a free market
>mfw

>Capitalism
>The Jews control the market
>Communism
>The government controls the market, the Jews control the government
I think there is only one solution to this desu

not an argument
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