What the FUCK went wrong?

What the FUCK went wrong?

jews

hitler has autism
america is op

Russian Zerg rush

Japs shouldn't have gotten the Americans involved. They practically defeated the axis all by themselves.

That little bit on the right. That and Germany's alliance with Japan and Japan's stupid suicidal move that even their Generals knew would probably fail.

Here comes the butthurt delusional Englishmen and "we lost 10 million killing 5 million but we still won" Russians getting butthurt. Try putting equal manpower into being the main fighting force on two fronts.

yeah that's why they lost

Wasn't all the North African shit just a bunch of territories loosely held by the Italians and thus counted towards Axis borders while not actually mattering very much in the grand scheme of things?

And yeah, Russia pretty much outnumbered everybody. Thank Germany for cockblocking them otherwise all of Europe would have joined the Union.

So it was only because of the russians?

We did the same thing with Europe and the Pacific and won. Before you say we had allies helping, so did the reich. We basically succeeded where the Nazis had failed.

The Russians fought on the Eastern front and had heavy casualties, moreso than Germany. If it wasn't for the invasion of Europe by the more than half American allies, then the Germans would have taken Moscow. Keep in mind we put just as much manpower fighting the Japanese. The 3rd Reich might have survived had Hitler not declared war on the US.

Germany had literally no chance to win. They lacked the manpower or industrial might to win the war and Hitler was a retard for starting the war. Also
>Portraying Sweden, Spain, Turkey, and Iran as being aligned with the allies.

>Germans would have taken Moscow
By the time D-Day was launched the Soviets had already gained the upper hand, the best proof of this is the monumental success of operation Bagration and the German failure at Kursk starting Jun 22 1944 and ending August 23rd 1943 respectively. Even without Normandy the Soviets wouldn't have lost Moscow it simply would have taken an extra 6 years and 10 million lives to defeat Germany.

I wasn't just talking about D-day. I also was referring to having to fight in North Africa. The Germans could had recovered enough to stop Soviets from invading Germany itself.

Green has nothing to do with allies.

The fighting in North Africa amounted to almost nothing since Germany could barely supply their forces in the first place with British control of the Mediterranean. Italy actually drew some forces away from the Eastern Front but by then Case Blue had already been an abysmal failure and the German offensives had largely ground to a halt.

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone since Germans are pretty shit when it comes to fighting wars.

Wasn't Sweden neutral?

Map only marks yellow as neutral, Sweden, Spain, Turkey were all neutral and should be marked as yellow while Persia was never directly involved in the war and thus also should be yellow. Put simply your map is shit.

Going to war with Russia. That was full retard.

mussolini couldnt seal off the mediterranean or handle yugoslavia

nigger that was the whole point in the first place

Sick of this meme
Germany would've destroyed Russia if it weren't for america

You do that after you beat the British.

>operating on the assumption that America wouldn't get involved
Pretty naive desu.

> invading Russia in the winter
> not finishing off the UK first
> declaring war on USA like an idiot
> being a pussy and not wiping out the Brits at Dunkirk
> Relying on the compromised Enigma machine
> Persecuting all the Jew physicists so you never get THE BOMB

Face it, Hitler was a retard.

Hitler almost made Europe great again. But then the allies fucked everything up.

Not really. Germany lacked the economy or numbers to defeat and occupy the Soviet Union. Sure Hitler could have taken Moscow but who the fuck cares? The Soviets already moved their industry east and Moscow was more like a symbol than an area of actual importance. Napoleon took Moscow, didn't get Russia to surrender. Of course Hitler taking Moscow assumes the US doesn't even bother with the Lend Lease.

Also our direct intervention meant almost nothing, you could have won the war without a single American soldier firing a shot, with the Lend Lease we could just keep sending you equipment in numbers Germany could never hope to match, especially when combined with existing Soviet and British industry.

I like how you accidentally forgot that Sweden was neutral too you pussy.

>America is OP

By the end of the war, the Russians killed 8 out of 10 Germans in war.

That's what happened. Hitler's only error was not combining the entirety of his strength on Russia. He could have made an enemy out of any other country and it would have been fine.

>You do that after you beat the British.
Yes, Germany should have invaded Britain using their imaginary surface fleet.

They were being pushed back months before Overlord had even finished being planned.

The Germans went full retard by fighting in multiple fronts. The Japs went full retard by fighting in multiple fronts.

This is strategy 101 and shows that the Axis were united in stupidity. They should have taken a lesson or two from Alexander and Genghis Khan.

I never said that. Fighting a two front war in that situation was retarded, period.

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the jews were already lobbying the usa government into the war. the usa even before the explicit declaration of war were already bombing german ships and uboots

>Napoleon took Moscow, didn't get Russia to surrender
St. Petersburg was the capital at that time, user

I can understand the support of fascism, but supporting Hitler is like supporting Nero because you like the Roman Empire, or the Borgias because you are a good catholic.

So should they have invaded Britain with an imaginary navy or just sat around until the USSR invaded them? Germany had no way to win WW2.

Top kek, pure American propaganda right here

The only good thing you did was supply the Russians and keep the Japs at bay. America did no fighting against Nazi Germany.

Friendly reminder that DESPITE the fact the majority of the German army was on the Eastern Front, the Allies were still scared of failing D-Day and had to lure German forces from France to Greece and Italy. Meanwhile, the Russians had already annihilated over 70% of the Wehrmacht and were en route to capturing Berlin. Yet brainwashed Americans still think they were relevant to Allies victory apart from giving supplies and fighting Japs.

The imperial seat moved to St Peter but Moscow remained the center of religion and trade as well as the unofficial capital for state matters.

saved

Russia, and winter

The ((suppliers)) were important to victory. The new bankers won.

I have no idea what your point is. All I'm saying is that they shouldn't have split their resources on both fronts and focused on taking out the British first. That's the strategy; I'm not arguing tactics here.

Japan and being greedy.
Hitler should've taken time to stabilize his new lands, and definitely not fuck around with Russia.
Japan should've minded it's own god damn business and kept taking all their shitty islands.

So? Capturing the capital doesn't mean anything especially when a nation has months or years to prepare to withdraw anything of importance from the capital. War isn't like chess where the capital is the king, a country is more than capable of fighting after losing its capital, Serbia lost its entire nation in the first World War and not only refused to surrendered but regrouped whatever it could of its army and rejoined the war as a cohesive fighting force despite not actually holding any territory.

why did the germans spare the mountain jew again?

ok, Ivan

Hitler had zero chance against Russia to begin with.

It's normal for Russia to let the enemy deep into their teritory before killing them off.

To kill the Russia you need to advance behid the Ural. But that was impossible logistically.
From the very beginning the chance of Hitler was zero.

Capturing Moscow was of absolutely no importance. When Napoleon arrived at Moscow, it was already burned down and devoid of any resources. Holding Moscow showed no strategic value and the Grande Armee was low on supplies.

However, in WW2, Moscow was very important and most railways in Russia were connected to Moscow at that time. It held immense strategic value and would certainly make Russia consider surrender.

My point is they had literally no way of taking out the British. Your "strategy" is retarded, it is like a high school football coach saying "get touchdowns and we win" when his team of 14-18 year olds is playing an NFL team.

They already moved the government to kuybyshev, when they got close to moscow. Nothing would have happened if they took moscow. Also note that moscow is 10 times larger than stalingrad and was heavily fortified. So you can imagine it wouldn't have been easy.

Stalin was a paranoid retard who purged his best commanders.
Anyone sane and competent would've pushed Japs'/Finns' shit so far up during Khalhin-Gol/Winter War Hitler would've delayed Barbarossa until better times that'd never come.

And they'd do a far better job defending borders against German forces instead of constructing a ridiculous Molotov Line.

Why invade mountains during a 3 front war when you can annex them immediately when peace starts.

Even better they could just pressure the mountain jews into trade deals and such until there is no autonomy left.
Oh wait, I'm thinking about the EU.

Capturing Switzerland isn't easy, and they sold them top quality equipment.

>no way of taking out the British
Let's say that is 100% true. How the fuck does that justify invading Russia again? In fact, that makes what they did even more retarded.

Same reason everyone knows attacking the USA is a bad idea: it's geography makes it a fortress, there are guns behind every blade of grass, and they have the most extensive underground systems in the world.

Hitler DID have a chance against Russia. He had a big one as well.

In 1939, Russia was poor as fuck and was mostly peasants. The country was barely industrialized and you'd think it was the Middle Ages. Hitler's error was allowing Stalin to undergo mass-industrialization. When Operation Barbarossa was taken in place, the Germans were surprised by how industrialized and prepared the Russians were.

I suggest you listen to Hitler speaking with Mannerheim. In this recording, Hitler talks about how he was surprised on how industrialized and armed the Soviets were upon invading them, and how the Germans weren't ready to fight such an enemy. Hitler had a chance, it sucks that he had to go up against Stalin. If Lenin was still in power, we would be speaking German (Maybe a good thing).

>If it wasn't for the invasion of Europe by the more than half American allies, then the Germans would have taken Moscow.
delusional. Stalingrad happened before americans engaged german, nad by then the war was pretty much over

The Americans' contribution to the European theater of war were:

1. Helping Great Britain survive via the Lend-Lease act
2. Helping the Soviets with the Lend-Lease act and providing them with jeeps, trucks, food, aircraft, and locomotives, which allowed the Soviets to focus on tank production and defeat the Germans
3. Invading Italy and Germany in partnership with the British through Operation Torch (North African landings) and Operation Overlord (Normandy landings), which eventually led to the conquest of western Europe.

We gave supplies, captured western Europe and nuked Japan. Without US involvement in Europe the war would've been completely different. Russia went full commie and the cold war, which could've easily expanded west and conquered most of Europe.

The solution to only take one front is pretty much impossible in the situation back then.
Attack only France and block the UK = Russia backstabs you.
Attack Russia = get backstabbed by French and Brits.

SO simply attack earlier when Germany didn't even had the necessary stuff itself due to the demilitarization after the first WW?

No chance, Russia did the same defence tactic as always and they have even won with less material.

what if japan would have doubleteamed up with germany instead of pissing off the americans?

The Soviet union was inevitably going to invade Germany, it was simply a matter of rebuilding their military in the aftermath of the officer purges carried out by Stalin. The longer Hitler waited the less chance he had to defeat the Soviet Union. Had Hitler waited until 1943 or waited until the USSR invaded Germany the German army would have almost immediately collapsed in the face of a much larger, better equipped Soviet army led by commanders who understood modern armoured warfare such a Zhukov.

>In 1939, Russia was poor as fuck and was mostly peasants.
You think Hitler had conditions to stage a USSR invasion in '39?

Hitler was autistic

nazism is the religion of autism, and they were arrogant cunts who vastly over estimated their capabilities and got #rekt

I did acknowledge you supplying the Russians and fighting the Japs. But the rest is trivial. The reality is that even if Hitler managed to overtake Great Britain, by that time, the Russians would already be slaughtering the Wehrmacht and winning the war.

Over 72% of the German Wehrmacht soldiers were killed in the Eastern Front. The Eastern Front saw the largest tank fights and the most loss of life. The Western Front was a fucking playground and of no importance to winning the war. Your invasion of Western Europe didn't change anything. Well it technically did change something, you managed to take over Western Europe before Russia did, but against Nazi Germany, you just sped up the process of their surrender.

When it comes to natural resources, Germany is one of the poorest countries in the world (that is if you account for the demand, especially during wartime).

This is a solid and indisputable fact.

Everything else is just coincidental.

+lend lease

Without USA help Russia would have surrendered by the time of pearl harbor

Germany

Stalin kept close to 1 million troops in the far east. Sure, he took the better, most experienced ones to defend Moscow, but during the whole war USSR had a impressive force there.

>When it comes to natural resources, Germany is one of the poorest countries in the world (that is if you account for the demand, especially during wartime).
>This is a solid and indisputable fact.

which is exactly why Hitler started invading everyone. He needed their supplies if Germany was going to be self-sufficient.

Hitler lost because he fell for tle subhuman slavs meme. The Nazis had massive support from the civillian population when they invaded the USSR, all they had to do was arm them and promise them independence after the Bolsheviks were destroyed and Germany would have won.

Japan was fucking terrified of the USSR since the battle of Khalkhin Gol. Even then the Japanese army was a paper tiger only used to fighting the poorly trained and equipped Chinese army. Operation August Storm illustrated the weakness of the Japanese army, even if it was late in the war after Germany was defeated the Soviets still managed to overrun Manchuria in less than two weeks despite the presence of 700,000 Japanese soldiers. Had Japan invaded Russia odds are they would have collapsed much faster (1944 or even 1943) as they would now be fighting two armies that could field seemingly endless hordes of soldiers in Asia. Combine that with the US actively starving Japan of oil and it isn't hard to imagine Korea falling to the Soviets in 1943.

They thought that the British had no way of invading while they conducted war in Russia. If the Soviet Union had fell in the initial push then Britain would have been literally useless. They also expected Japan to help in Russia which basically didn't happen as China never fell.
You've got to remember that the whole war was new and revolutionary. They got to the point where most of Europe was conquered and then it was basically "Well what do we do now?".

If Germany never allied Japan and learned from Napoleon that supply lines and advancing in winter were important it would have probably been a valid strategy leaving the whole of Europe and possibly North Africa against the UK. As much as I like to say that the UK is invincible and technologically superior it's not like we could beat the production capability of the entire continent. We might have lasted 10-20 years at best and that's only if we don't fuck up and let an invasion force get settled on the mainland.

>Without USA help Russia would have surrendered by the time of pearl harbor
source? Stalingrad was fought before any lend lease reached the front, bro

americans were doing lend-lease to the soviets as soon as barbarossa began, before they officially entered the war, they wouldn't have stopped it. In fact, japs were doing germany a favor by attacking the usa, since then the us couldn't use vladivostok to ship the lend-lease

>Attack Russia = get backstabbed by French and Brits.
Yep, those Brits and Frenchmen sure wanted war. That's why they let Germany annex Austria, Reoccupy the Rhineland, annex the Sudetenland, annex the rest of Czechslovakia, and reclaim Memel without a fight. Damn Western Europeans always denying Germany's requests for land.

>Germany had no way to win WW2.
They could have taken Moscow in '41 if Hitler had just listened to Guderian. Yeah yeah,
>muh Guderian
But really, one of the only reasons the Battle of France went so well was because he and Rommel decided to disobey orders and over-extend their lines.
Hitler turning Stalingrad into a pissing contest that annihilated the entire 6th army didn't help much either.
Also Kursk was just fucking retarded. The Germans would have won at Kursk by simply not fucking attacking.
The Germans would have never won WW2 because the international banking Cabal would have eventually gotten the US into the war, and would have thrown countless American lives at the Germans (oh yeah, and nukes), but Nazi Germany could have knocked the Soviet Union out of the war in '41, and they probably could have regained the offensive in '43, but then Hitler decided to not listen to his Generals.

> invading Russia in the winter
do you even history. The invasion started on June 22
> not finishing off the UK first
Impossible. Germany had no very small nave and no landing craft. Any invasion was doomed to fail
> declaring war on USA like an idiot
USA was already at war with Germany in all but name. From sinking U-boats, repairing British ships in U.S. ports, Reporting U-Boat sightings to the British, Sending troops into Greenland and Iceland, sending massive amount of War materials to Britain, etc. After Pearl Harbor the peace faction in the U.S. was no more. The country could now fully mobilize. If Hitler did not justly declare war first, U.S. media would make another Lusitania excuse within a few months. Hitler hoped to capitalize on the unpreparedness of the U.S. to but time to finish off the Soviet Union
> being a pussy and not wiping out the Brits at Dunkirk
The German tank crews who had reached the English Channel were exhausted. They had not slept in days and many vehicles were Broken down. 2 Allied counter attacks on their thin corridor to the channel had some success and the Germans were afraid of their forces being cut off. Furthermore the terrain around Dunkirk was not suited for Tanks. Lastly, with high panzer losses the tanks were needed for beating the rest of the Allied forces. Hitler decided to play it safe and allow the infantry to catch up before assaulting Dunkirk. In the fog of war the German High command did not know how bad of the position the Allies actually were in.
> Relying on the compromised Enigma machine
Fog of War
> Persecuting all the Jew physicists so you never get THE BOMB
To destroy cities and murder innocent civilians by the thousands? The Germans never would have done that. Hitler is the one who stopped the execution of Jews in the Baltic States.

Which means that the Germans had to essentially loot other countries to supply their armies, which is not a viable tactic in a high energy demanding war theater as the one Germany was fighting in (all over Europe).

>murder innocent civilians by the thousands? The Germans never would have done that.

>They could have taken Moscow in '41 if Hitler had just listened to Guderian. Yeah yeah,
No way. Stalin had 1.5 million soldiers defending Moscow (including reserve forces). There is no way that the german army could have conquered Moscow.

more like what the fuck went right, they should never take paris or come that close to moscow, allies and gommies fucked up literally all they could

In 39-40' yes, absolutely. Soviet manufacturing ability at that time was very poor. In my opinion, in 1939, Hitler should have continued building up his power, initiate a co-invasion of Poland with Stalin, and right after conquering Poland, betray Stalin and invade Soviet Russia. That would have been perfect.

Instead, we got things like the Phoney War, and later Western Front battles, where Russians had ample time to prepare for an invasion by an ally that already declared their genocide 20 years ago.

Germany had a more than capable army in 1939 to invade the Soviet Union at that time.

>all over Europe

AND Africa.

>godzilla killed 1 thousand soldiers
>soldiers killed godzilla
>godzilla won because he killed more people
>American brains

>To destroy cities and murder innocent civilians by the thousands? The Germans never would have done that. Hitler is the one who stopped the execution of Jews in the Baltic States.
AHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

We got ourselves a denier here

Literally Japan and Italy.

>inb4 war on two fronts meme answer
>inb4 zerg rush meme answer
>inb4 hitler was a idiot who went out of his way to make retarded decisions meme answer

Japan and Italy fucked up everything at literally every opportunity and Germany constantly had to divert resources and clean up Italian and Japanese messes.

Taking Moscow in 1941 was impossible. Ignoring the Kiev army group and lunging towards Moscow would invite a disaster worse than Stalingrad. The Soviets would have defended the city to the Last man, woman, and child. The Germans assaulting the city would get bogged down and then the Kiev army Group would strike north to cut them off.

kek

>They could have taken Moscow in '41 if Hitler had just listened to Guderian.
Then what? Hitler had no end game, just "defeat countries, install puppet states and assume everyone loves Germany forever." North Africa was effectively a lost cause due to British dominance of the Mediterranean, and Hitler would have had to tie up forces across Europe suppressing the various partisans and resistance movements. The entire time Britain would continue building its war economy as would the US, while Japan was slowly collapsing. Best case scenario Hitler faces a war against the US, Britain, and a non-Communist China in the late 40s after Japan inevitably collapses in the face of resource embargoes and a costly war with China. All the while resistance movements would be kicked into overdrive.

And leave France and UK in the west alone, lol? Sounds like an amazing plan.

besides rare low ranking officer ordered executions, There was no large scale slaughter of innocent people.

I would have started WW2 by invading Italy. I wonder if the allies would have even cared.

>allies and gommies fucked up literally all they could
this

> betray Stalin and invade Soviet Russia.
UK and France declared war on Germany after the polish invasion.

>Germany had a more than capable army in 1939 to invade the Soviet Union at that time.

Historical illiterate.

Germans almost struggled in invading Poland, an you think they would have managed to conquer USSR?

Honestly this. A German puppet state in North Italy would literally be paradise in the modern day

'Almost struggled' is somewhat far away from 'failed miserably'.
Not every war can be like France with 'nearly met opposition'.

Too many frontlines, too few people to fend off against the soviets and the americans in opposite directions. Plus the only ally that was making gains was on the other side of the globe.

And Hitler was a poor commander, it's invasion was successful because of his luck, and that ran out at the end.

Listened to a thing on this.

Apparently it was massive German over confidence after France and Poland.They kept fighting as if Russia was on the very of collapse, and maybe it was, but Russia was able to keep making new army divisions and Germany eventually used up all their early advantage in superiority by getting them all killed and the material destroyed and they just couldnt replace them.