Just finished Demon Knights. Solid read. Have these characters shown up again together...

Just finished Demon Knights. Solid read. Have these characters shown up again together? Also what happened between Exoristos and Ystin? Did Ex hate that she loved the D so much?

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Nah tumblr got too attached to Ystin that a tomboy became a trans character

>tumblr
I fucking hate this site.

She really was just a tomboy? I thought she, uhh..had both somehow...

What? Ystin isn't a trans. She is just a woman that identifies as a man despite being a fully flat as a board woman.

That's because you don't use it for it's real purpose.

Porn

I don't usually into skinny chicks but man, i would fucking wreck Ystin!

Are you referring to tumblr or Sup Forums? I was referring to Sup Forums.

No, Ystin was just a girl who crossdressed so she could be a knight of the round table.

Tumblr , but can be applied to both really

Now go read Matt Wagner's Madame Xanadu, Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory and Garth Ennis' The Demon for something waaay better.

Demon Knights is mediocre as fuck and treated the established characters poorly.

READ THE FUCKING COMIC YA CUNTS

You should follow you own advice.

Ystin was a girl who cross-dressed as a man so could serve as a knight's squire, who she was in love with, and be at the round table.

Nu52 Ystin was an hermaphrodite that identified herself as a man despite everyone thinking she was a woman.

Demon Knights was a stupid book and Paul Cornell is a overrated writer.

>identified herself as a man
The actual panels posted in this thread prove you wrong, user. I'm not really sure what you thought you were going to accomplish here.

>Paul cornell is an overrated writer
Can confirm having read his knight and squire mini.

>was an hermaphrodite
user pls

Savage and Xanadu already confirmed that Ystin was a woman during the first issue that she was introduced.

This. Demon knights was absolutely mediocre with it's seven samurai plot and the characters were annoyingly whedonesque.

They say in the book that she was both. Not just Sir Ystin saying it here but also at some other point someone else says it, I forget. It's been a while since I read it. They definitely were ambiguous as fuck about it though. Still a solid read, especially for a genre that doesn't get much love.

Nu52 Ystin had both sexes and behaved like a man. Just because the other characters found her behavior weird and treated her as a girl that doesn't what she was or thought of herself.

No go read the goddamn book that you guys are defending.

>hermaphrodite

I dont think that word means what you think it means.

>had both sexes
[citation needed]

>It is canon because I believe it is canon
>it is not canon because I dislike it

Which was not what I was disagreeing with. She doesn't "identify" as a man, she "identifies" as someone who is both a man and a woman. It's never been an actual transgendered thing.

>"I think you like one... aspect of who I am."
>"I'm not just a man or a woman. I'm both."

I'm not really sure how much clearer this gets.

>Ystin had both sexes
How you figure?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite

Hermaphrodite, intersex, whatever.

See or go back and read the issue where Merlin find Ystin dyeing. I think it was the #0 issue.

She behaved like a man, anyhow.

>she "identifies" as someone who is both a man and a woman
Except Ystin always refers to herself as a man and side-eyes anyone who doesn't.

>"I think you like one... aspect of who I am."
>"I'm not just a man or a woman. I'm both."
Could easily be interpreted as her having the body of a woman but the mind of a man.

Identifying as a man does not automatically mean that you are a hermaphrodite you shit for brain retard. It just mean that she was born with a woman's body but the heart/mind of a man. Is Johnny Weir suddenly straight because he claims he is? Nope, dude is gay despite his adamant claims of being straight.

>having the body of a woman but the mind of man
Obviously this. Can't believe people are having trouble understanding that.

>Identifying as a man does not automatically mean that you are a hermaphrodite you shit for brain retard. It just mean that she was born with a woman's body but the heart/mind of a man.

Merlin said she had both sexes. Read the goddamn stupid book or go ask the stupid writer.

I actually don't like this stupid book and i know more about it than you guys.

And if you had read the book you would had known that Merlin is a lair and cant be trusted.

He was losing his memories, but at that point he had all his memories. This wasn't the Pre-52 Merlin.

You are grasping for straws. That could easily be interpreted into a variety of things. I am more inclined to believe Vandal Savage in determining whether the character in question is either a man or woman.

You can believe whatever you want, then. I don't even like the book, so this discussion is pointless to me.

Yeah two natures, a mix of feminine and masculine. That's not literally him having both parts you dumbass.

see Go ahead and continue being a shit for brain retard. You are clearly a lost cause with no hopes of redemption.

>two natures
>body of a woman
>mind of a man

Or two nature, as in physical differences.

Why would Ystin warn Exoritus about her two natures? Exoritus was already into her, despite Ystin behaving as man. Ystin was obviously referring to her body.

There is no such a thing. She's a woman who behaves like a man, then. Something that nobody gave a crap about, not even Exoritus. Why the warning then?

>there is no such thing
That's literally what transgender is.

Nobody knew was transgender meant back then.

I think you and people like are just displeased because thinking of her as a weird mutant ruin any waifu appeal the character had.

>People getting incredibly asshurt because there happened to be a well and tastefully done transperson in comics

wew lads. I ain't even Sup Forumsmblr and I think you're being retarded. Go shit on cunts that think Samus is trans but there's no need to try to erase an actually well done trans character in comics.

But what if she has both man and woman body parts? Why does that annoy people so much?

so they just made her a ripoff of tristan from camelot 3000 without the reincarnation.

>Tristan
>Ystin
Shit

and she is a gender flipped sir justin

Cause it's not what's actually happening.

Ystina as a crossdresser >>>> Ystin as a trans-man

They had trannies back then bruv, Two-Spirits and the like. You're just stretching this hermaphrodite thing cause you're a futafag.

Is it, though? To me she would warn Exoritos because her body is different. She isn't just as a woman who behave like a man. Something which Exoritos was cool.

Seriously, Exoritos was cool with her being trans. So why the warning?

She doesn't just behave like a man but is a man who is trapped in a body of a woman. That's what she was explaining to ex.

>but is a man who is trapped in a body of a woman.

Something Exoritos was cool. It's more likely that she has two sexes.

The feminine aspect is his body you colossal idiot. He's explaining to ex that she's not a butch dyke but a trannie.
>you can't just love me for my body
>you have to love my preferred gender

Show me the panel where ex fully understands that ystin is a tran-man and accepts that cause right now that's only in your head.

It's more likely that your reading comprehension is shit

newsarama.com/10520-shining-knight-outed-as-dc-s-first-intersex-hero-ine.html

I can't believe i had to search for this.

Paul Cornell initially was fine with people thinking she was either trans or intersex, but after the exposure Gail Simone with her trans character in Batgirl he came out and complained about Ystin being trans.

It's more likely that you guys have an agenda to push, one where a character being a intersex doesn't fit.

Either way Ystin being trans or intersex fucking sucks. Ystin originally was a female in love with another man.

She wasn't warning Ex so much as spelling shit out for her before taking their relationship further. Ystin acknowledges that Ex likes one aspect of her, i.e. her lady bod, but that she considers herself a man.

If Ystin was a trans, she would view herself as a man inside a female body, but that's not what Ystin said. Ystin said she was born both man and woman.

So the trans thing doesn't work.

>but that she considers herself a man.

That's not Ystin said.

>thread shitting on Demon Knights

so this is the power of summer Sup Forums

>"I think you like one... aspect of who I am. But I'm the other too. I was born this way. I've kept saying, whenever anyone asks.
>"I'm not just a man or a woman. I'm both."

Ystin doesn't identify as a female or as a male, but as both.

I'm going with intersex.

>People getting incredibly asshurt because there happened to be a well and tastefully done transperson in comics
It's funny because when Demon Knights first came out Sup Forums was pretty stoked about it. A lot of posters even got super pissy about Barbara's trans roommate getting so much attention because Ystin had come first and had been so much better written.

Ystin doesn't have the vocab to explain this shit. She's saying that obviously I'm biologically a woman but I'm ciew myself as a man.

Demon Knights was a mediocre book that treated Etrigan, Ystin and, specially, Xanadu horribly. It was a directionless comic with a jarring pace.

Turning Ystin into PR stunt was awful. Why couldn't she remain a female in love with another man? Why turn her into whatever it is people can't agree she is.

Nu52 shat on all the Seven Soldiers characters. SHADE also sucked. Jeff Lemire ruined Frankenstein.

You're right. She doesn't say that she considers herself a man. She is a man.

>She's saying that obviously I'm biologically a woman but I'm ciew myself as a man.

No, she isn't. She is saying that she was both a man and a woman, because she was born that way.

You want to see her as a trans character because you've an agenda.

She's both.

You want to see her as a dickgirl because you have a fetish.

>because you've an agenda.
The faggot complaining that Ystin is a hermaphrodite is sure one to talk.

Demon knights was overhyped by D&D nerds. is right, these characters were mangled by Cornell shittt DM'ing

I don't care about her having a dick, because i don't like this particular vision of the character. I just think that given what is in the book that it's more likely that she was intersex.

If Ystin was just a female who thought herself a man, Exoritos would just claim that Ystin had being brain-washed by the patriarchy or something and that she should be proud of her sex as a woman. But Exoritos was taken back by Ystin words. Merlin commented about her dual nature.

In my opinion everything points out for her being intersex. You guys might disagree and that's okau, but that's my take.

Sounds like your problems with it are 90% "not muh." It's a reboot, they can change things.

Because she has a female body and accepts that.

They changed things for the worse. That's the problem.

Ystin became a le ironic trans or whatever.
Jason Blood became a wimping cuck.
Xanadu became a manipulative slut.
Frankenstein couldn't stop moping and whining.

The character lost their appeal and the books their starred in weren't even that good. I get annoyed whenever i see Sup Forums hyping these books.

I thought those takes were fun and interesting.
Not Frankenstein though, Lemire and Kindt are hacks.

It was Change alright, change to lower quality writing.

Ystin was still fun and cool.
Jason and Xanadu were manipulating Etrigan to keep him from killing people.
Frankenstein and his book were great.

I knew dwmon knights was gonna suck by the very first page, where Madame Xanadu said sod this and leap off the boat to Avalon.

The only new take i liked in DK was Vandal Savage. The rest annoyed me.

But i'm going to agree with you. FRANKENSTEIN, AGENT OF SHADE was easily the worse.

Instead of focusing on the Creature Commando characters, that needed exposure and characterization, the book instead focused on Frankenstein and his family issues. Who the fuck cares about Frankenstein?
His whole appeal was that he was basically Blondie/Man with no Name. This cool looking badass monster that only spoke through quotes and let the action to most of the talking. Frankenstein was supposed to be the silent dude that the other characters played off of. But no, instead Frankenstein couldn't stop talking and whining and whining and his presence ate the whole book and we had to deal with his family drama, and in all this the Creature Command was left to the side.

Fuck, i hate the wasted potential of that book.

There was intentional ambiguity regarding whether or not Xanadu was being on the level with everyone, but the "Etrigan kills everyone and sends them to hell" arc put a stop to that.

Ystin was boring kind of cool.
>oh look at me I'm doing flips and shit
>here's my pithy one liner, can't forget that

>Jason and Xanadu were manipulating Etrigan to keep him from killing people.

Yes, with Jason being a cuck with no agency and Xanadu using her pussy to keep both in check.

>Frankenstein and his book were great.

No, it fucking wasn't.

Let's talk about Jason for a minute and how shoddy his new character is.
I knew Jason from Ennis take, with him being a poor bastard who criticized Camalot and was cursed by Merlin with Etrigan and that origin kicks ass because Jason just becomes a bloody bastard who gives in to demon and goes full villain with Etrigan.
This jason is a nobody who got bonded by to a demonic nobody because vague masterplan by merlin.

>Etrigan isn't rhyming
Fuck this book

My main problem with Jason is that the dude was pitiful. He could only complain and feel sorrow for himself, knowing he had no means to protect Xanadu other than giving in to Etrigan and not knowing what Etrigan did either to Xanadu or other people. It was only after Venditti came in that the character started to gain some balls, but not much. Etrigan as well was constantly being pulled by the chains by Xanadu and her magical pussy.

At this point in time he's training to be a rhyming demon.

He should be speaking in simple rhymes then.

Well who does rhyme with you.

>This jason is a nobody who got bonded by to a demonic nobody because vague masterplan by merlin.
It wasn't vague, it's explained in-story that Jason's rage would have eventually overwhelmed him and turned him into a murderer. He needed to manage someone else's evil to become a good person.

But he would've a mortal murderer, someone who could be killed. Binding him to a demon makes him immortal and Demon are well-known tempters.jason should've ended up as an immortal killer who can summon a bloodthirsty demon at will.

That sounds like the blind leading the blind.