This was so much fucking better. Holy shit

This was so much fucking better. Holy shit.

So many of the problems are gone.

Meh. Lex is still shit.

>Superman saving people from the explosion
Why would they cut this

Way better though.

watching it in 2 minutes for the first time, still don't have high hopes.

>all of the Clark scenes

Why did they cut that? It made his feud with bats actually make sense.

I thought Diana doesn't believe in lipstick?

Simple marketing
They knew it would do good enough in theatres, it's the post theatrical sales that make the big difference. A movie in the theatre to Hollywood is just an advertisement you pay to see and your just a recorded statistic to show producers.

I am baffled by how improved this is.

It's Daredevil all over again.

Fuck did I kill the thread with great logic again.

>Lex getting btfo with the transfer to Arkham

So the blame superman in the beginning is odd. The woman senator must have a thing out for superman

Feminist triggered over man being Super.

It all makes sense.

>So many of the problems are gone.
They superimposed a different actress over Wonder Woman?
Or did they cut her all together?

fuck off she was the best part of the movie.

No she wasn't, that would be the Batman warehouse fight.

Is it really better? I want to believe

>They knew it would do good enough in theatres
But it didn't. It made enough to be inarguably successful but not successful enough for what a Batman and Superman movie should make.

So if I didn't bother seeing it in the cinemas, is it worth seeing now?

I really hope DC paid you for this.

Not really.

>it's the post theatrical sales that make the big difference

This is literally untrue.

>I'm so smart I killed the thread
>again

Oh my god, kill yourself.

It puts a new spin on some narrative beats and is overall let out a bit.
But it's still BvS.

I liked it originally and this didn't really away my opinion any higher.

The flame throwers were to imply superman used his heat vision on those people. That's why he was blamed.

Lex actually had a plan that made sense in the UC? well fuck me

Any casual glance would still see bullet holes.

God damn is Lex done poorly. I mean everything the acting the script the directing even the fucking music is terrible around him

...

Ultimate cut brings it from a C to maybe like a B-

I think what I like most about the ultimate cut is that it shuts up Snyderfags defending the theatrical cut. They can't say the ultimate edition is good/better because it fixes all the problems that they defended initially like the bad editing on the point that "a smart movie doesn't explain everything"

Holy shit, did they hire Lex's assistant to make wonder woman look big? Why is this movie a commercial for anorexia? Gross

Is there much more mentioned about Bruce going off the rails and becoming a killer? Do they mention he never used to kill? I know theres the whole "what falls is fallen" thing and "hes angry and hes hunting" but is there much more about that?

Not really. Here's a good summary. If you hated the portrayal of Lex, Superman, Batman, Lois or Wondy, this cut would literally do nothing for you. Don't expect Superman to smile or Batman to be likable. It adds Clark investigating Batman, Lois investigating Lex, more substance to the Africa scenes and that's pretty much about it. You know how Clark and Lois' investigation leads to fuck all, it's just that. You know how 'v' in BvS is shoehorned in and doesn't feel justified, it's literally that. You know how there are too many plot points and movie jumps from one point to another without a bigger sense of cohesiveness, it's literally that. And I don't think anybody here's going to argue, it adds little stuff here and there but fundamental problems are still there.

Damn

I could tolerate it being a fairly dumb popcorn movie, but the biggest things i hate is Bat of murder of man of murder. If they were to state that Bruce only started killing after Jason died i could forgive it.

It would go from a ruined movie to an ok movie.

Yep, it's actually better if you see it now, you can then watch the normal version afterwards and see how much hey fucked up

Tao is cute. Cute!
And deader than Dazzler's career. Waifufags and shills got BTFO so hard.

To be fair, the new Clark scenes do have Gotham bystanders pointing out that Batman has a darkness to him now, that he's more brutal.

Same. While the Ultimate edition is "better" it hasn't really changed my view of the film. I enjoyed Batman v Superman in the theaters and I enjoyed this version too.

This was really a vast improvement and I would wholeheartedly recommend that all comic book loving fans demographic age 13-36 definitely check it out on Blu-Ray/DVD combo pack for MRSP $29.99.

The dude Batman brands is killed in prison by people paid off my Lex so Clark thinks Batman is branding people for murder.

The theatrical cut already speaks about how Batman is having an existential crisis because of the arrival of Superman, and Batman feeling impotent. If you didn't understand that from the theatrical cut you're beyond saving.

Ah ok i guess that could help. A core part of Batman is that he doesnt kill. (Inb4 fags talk about first appearances)

I could dig it if it was a case of Batman had gone off the rails, but as far as Batman always being a killer? Thats a bit too much of a shit on his character.

You guys are so very very petty and jealous of Marvel.

tfw all the torrents are going super slow on my communist connection

It's just a shit sandwich with more bread.

For a second I thought it was the Gay porn knockoff

Fuck off Snyder. How does that translate to whether he was always a killer or not?

>using torrents
>uses communism as an insult

bit of a hypocrite, aren't we?

Samepost.

What about the 'muh space jesus' stuff?

You're autism and "not muh" is showing.

The speech Alfred says about gods and monsters basically sums up Bruce's existiential crisis.

I'm not saying everyone who disliked this movie is too stupid to get it, but you're definitely too stupid to get it.

Enjoy being a bitter and cynical asshole you provides nothing too the world.

Lol I'm gonna pirate it. Nice try WB.

;^)

Is there a direct download somewhere sonny

I'm not that guy I enjoy both companies

Still there in the full force.

I thought snyder said this version was going to be rated R. Half way through and nothing at all R about it

Go on Filediva and search Batman v Superman extended.

DCcucks on suicide watch

Yes.

It`s not a GREAT movie. But this version irons out some of the problems, turning it from meh product to okay-ish product.

I didn`t feel like I wasted my 3 hours - in fact, this version felt shorter than the 2.5 hour version.

It`s so strange how that works.
Fuck you WB for butchering Snyders work.

"Not muh"

thats the whole point of making a movie about a character you absolute Snydercuck.

>Lets make a terminator reboot, only this time he is a woman and not a robot but an alien, and he goes forward in time rather than back in time.

Theres a reason marvel movies sell well and Snyder DC movies constantly fail.

yep, not worth the money IMO

Mouseketeers on murdering the industry watch.

Is Superman still a dumb, emokid who can't do anything?
Is Batman still a maniac killer?
Is Wonder Woman still just in the movie for the sake of being in the movie?

Not gonna see see it then.

Except MoS and BvS outsold the majority of the Marvel movies.

Yeah, the reason is that no one gives half a fuck about most of the Avengers anyway.

Like, Black Widow literally doesn't have a Russian accent in the films but no one seems to care about this.

Hawkeye was never a villain.

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver aren't Magneto's kids.

Tony Stark isn't in AA.

There's a million "not muh" arguments to be made for the MCU but no one gives a shit about the characters cause they don't read comics. But people pretend they know who Batman and Superman are because they've seen the Donner and Nolan films.

Thanks my negro

obviously he just started killing, how can you be that dense? his whole arc is going back to not killing at the end.

No, yes, yes.

this

Yes to all three

>Like, Black Widow literally doesn't have a Russian accent in the films but no one seems to care about this.
Why would a highly trained super spy have a noticeable accent

Thanks man.

Also, I'm not ripping on the MCU for doing different things with the characters, much like I'm not ripping on the DCEU for doing different things with the characters.

I actually buy comics so if I want to read canon versions of the characters I read those books. I also read Else Worlds and What If books too because I'm not an autistic monkey.

>There's a million "not muh" arguments to be made for the MCU but no one gives a shit about the characters cause they don't read comics.
Nigger that's not it. People don't bitch because a lot of them are literally whos and because at the end of the day they're likable protagonists even if very much based on formula and being generic.

because she does in the comics. same reason american super spies have american accents and james bond has a british accent.

That's fair enough. But her Russian ancestry is nonetheless never fucking addressed.

Also, why is Hawkeye not a reformed villain?

And did Nick Fury fight in WW II?

How else would we know she's from Russia?

Then why are most of the arguments about Man of Steel and Batman v Superman:

>tell that to Zod's snapped neck
>Man of Manslaughter
>Wonder Woman isn't buff enough

And for the particularly stupid

>MARTHA

Answer that riddle for me Batman.

>because she does in the comics
No she doesn't. Not since the 70s anyway.

Yeah it only took DC's two biggest properties ham-fisted into the very first two movies of their shared universe.

The only Marvel equivalent would have been Man of Webs and Spider-Man vs Wolverine: Dawn of Avengence.

what the fuck, yes she does. Did you read the recent Waid Widow comic?

- Black Widow: Of course she doesn't. She's a top spy. Having a big Russian accent kinda makes you suspect. I'm not sure, but I don't think she has a Russian accent in the comics anymore.

- Hawkeye: Wasn't really a criminal in current comics continuity. Nor is it really important to his character. He's the human element in the Avengers. The point is him not having powers and having a stable family. Him having a criminal past is not that important.

- The Twins: Yes, they're not his children because of the deal with Fox. But, they're still character who've been traumatized as children. Scarlet still got experimented on. They still fought on the side of the bad guy. The ideas and schapes behind their characters are still the same. Magneto doesn't need to be their father.

- Tony Stark: Isn't in AA, thank the fucking lord. What a boring part of his character that was. Not a drunkard, but still a heavily traumatized adult male with all the money in the world. Again, the core of his character still stands.


Snyder didn't respect the core concepts of the DC character. It doesn't matter if Jonathan died, or if both of his adoptive parents died. It doesn't matter if Earth was the chosen destination by Jor-El or if Kal-El made it to earth of all planets by pure luck. Superman is an almost omnipotent, kind-hearted, loving Superhero. He cares about us all. Almost the opposite of what Snyder made him out to be.
It doesn't matter if Batman is 20 or 50. If he's tired of fighting crime or if he's 100% motivated. It doesn't matter if Bruce lost Robin or hasn't even met Dick. What matters is that Batman is a hero who uses his traumo to bring about positive change. Positive change for victims but also perpetrators. He doesn't want anyone to die, because to Batman, death is the worst thing in the world. Batman's villains are crazy because then Batman can cherish hope they can be cured. Batman is the opposite of a killer.

so you are saying American spies never have American accents? and James Bond shouldnt have a british accent?

also
>all this justifying, head canon, and moving goal posts


jesus christ, delusional drone

Fucking this.

And it's hilarious how Snyder being 3deep5u is a meme when we've got posters who seemingly never watched the movie, day in and day out.
There are valid criticisms to be made, surely, but about half of it is always goodreads-tier garbage that boils down to "I have the attention span of a goldfish, please fight me."

>MARTHA

People complain about that scene because whether or not it makes thematic sense, as a piece of filmmaking that entire sequence is fucking laughable. The entire Batman/Superman fight right up until the end of the MARTHA scene is the most embarrassing part of a comic-book movie since Catwoman decided she would show off some dank basketball moves with Benjamin Bratt.

Superman literally saves people in his free time. Its all he doess. And his whole life his parents tell him he can be whatever the fuck he wants, and he chooses to be a superhero and save people. How is that in ANYWAY Snyder telling us Superman doesnt care about us? The fact that he sacrifices himself twice to save us? I bet you've never read Byrne's run on superman, or Waid's run, or even Secret Identity.
Also Batman has killed KGB in the comics in the 80s, and there have been plenty of elseworlds and other stories that explore the concept fine. Stop being a bitch and actually read comics

Just watched it for the first time

It wasn't terrible

I laughed at a few retarded things

I don't care how well Eisenberg can act, Luthor should not be a quirky-insane kid with long hair.

It honestly is not a bad movie

Only real complain I have is that it's so fucking long but it's paced pretty well for the most part all things considered. I still hope to god JL is shorter and that they don't try to do quite so fucking much in it.

I feel like they got characterization down pretty well for everyone but Luthor and Batmurder, but they do so many hilarious "THIS AREA WE JUST NUKED IS ABANDONED" moments that I can't bring myself to hate Batmurder. Obviously everyone he shot and / or exploded were flung clear and only suffered minor injuries.

batman has killed in every other movie adaptation you tard
hell, in the CW shows even flash and arrow kill pretty constantly. Even the marvel heroes kill all their villains.

I don't think his Batman was too far off since they've pretty much done everything with Batman already, but if you don't think Snyder fucked up Superman royally then you probably thought his interpretation of Watchmen was spot on too.

they specifically say Batman had gotten more brutal, and didnt care if people died. The whole point of his arc was the he was reclaiming his no kill code. Thats why he avoids killing anyone in the warehouse fight scene (except KGBeast at the end) and doesnt kill Luthor.

>Almost the opposite of what Snyder made him out to be.
Right at the end of the movie Superman goes something like "This is my planet I love it so much also I love you Lois" to Lois and it feels like a pretty nice way that they could potentially segue into Boyscoutman. Rocky start, but that's fine.

No, I'm saying it's easily explained why she might not have one. My point is that with or without her accent, the core idea of her character still stands.

It's the ideas and meanings behind the characters that are the most important when writing a (super)hero story. You don't write a mainstream Robin Hood who steals from the rich so he can pay the best whores in the land.

>He cares about us all.

How come in Kingdom Come and Injustice he goes off the rails if Lois Lane dies then?

>Wasn't really a criminal in current comics continuity.
Unless they've retconned his origin recently and I'm unaware: Yes he fucking was

>Nor is it really important to his character.
Have you read any Hawkeye comics? He is actually quite a different character than the MCU would have you believe.

>Isn't in AA, thank the fucking lord. What a boring part of his character that was.
Tony Stark having a drinking problem is literally the only interesting thing about his character. Otherwise he's a boring Objectivist superhero.

You're TL;DR about why Snyder's bad ignores the fact that Superman willingly puts himself in harms way to save humanity (in both films), so he actually DOES give a fuck about all of us. And Batman states at the end of Batman v Superman that he was fucking wrong to go off the deep end.

But no. You're one of those people who writes fanfiction with no conflict and thinks Squirrel Girl is a good book.

read some comics kid, Snyder didnt fuck up superman, he just focused on a different aspect then Donner did.


And guess what, Dave Gibbons himself said Snyder completely understood Watchmen. Literally the only problem I can see with it is that the fight scenes might have been too flashy, if you are one of those people who read the Watchmen being completely out of their prime, despite the comic having multiple fight scenes in it where people do impossible shit.

Was it Daredevil or Catwoman that had the scene where they're break dancing in a park in front of a bunch of little kids?

Man, I didn't even tell you what I thought about the movie. What I was trying to get at was that Snyder's in no way deep, people are just really fucking dumb.

Even in the Ultimate Edition, Supes is... lacking, certainly.

And Watchmen? I'm always the first one to criticize that movie. I've got some casual friends who'd never get through the book, but worship the adaptation.

nah, the fight scene is great. You're crazy.

His interpretation of Watchmen is fucking garbage. I'll defend Batman v Superman and Man of Steel, but I cannot stand his version of Watchmen.

Flash and Green have killed in the comics. They try not to, but they haven't got the big "I don't kill" ethic that's part of Batman and Superman.
Yes, Batman kills in almost every movie. And in every movie, that's the wrong choice to make. Why do they still make Batman kill? Because the heroes in action movies have always brought conflict to a close in deadly manner. It's part of action movie culture. Comics went through the comics code, that's why characters like Superman and Batman fundementally don't kill. Those two worlds clash and the movie culture has one every single time, diminishing the symbolism of these modern American myths.

> le contrarian the post

It would appear the movie going audience and a good part of the comic book community and writers agree with me so spare me the condescension.

>but it's paced pretty well
It's terribly paced. The beginning has so many drawn out scenes that add nothing to it. The scene changes are pretty jarring in a lot of places. And yhose fucking dream sequences are like you suddenly are watching another movie

Daredevil.